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    EU - The Ball is in Your Court

    So... at the very least abolish the backstop, and we'll sit down at the negotiating table. The Withdrawal Agreement is dead.

    We'll talk when you're ready, any time at the drop of a hat no matter how many thousands of miles away you are.

    Otherwise Bye Bye EU on 31 October.

    How much simpler can you get? About bloody time too!

    The more I hear from Boris the better it gets.

    As for the Scots, go your own ways mate, least we won't have to be bothered about you. Don't be coming to us to bail you out when it goes ars* over tit!

    Oh, and if you Scots are desperate to rejoin the United Kingdom, you won't be given the chance to have another vote for a thousand years!





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    Quote Originally Posted by libraryguy View Post
    So... at the very least abolish the backstop, and we'll sit down at the negotiating table. The Withdrawal Agreement is dead.

    We'll talk when you're ready, any time at the drop of a hat no matter how many thousands of miles away you are.

    Otherwise Bye Bye EU on 31 October.

    How much simpler can you get? About bloody time too!

    The more I hear from Boris the better it gets.

    As for the Scots, go your own ways mate, least we won't have to be bothered about you. Don't be coming to us to bail you out when it goes ars* over tit!

    Oh, and if you Scots are desperate to rejoin the United Kingdom, you won't be given the chance to have another vote for a thousand years!
    There will be no backstop - there are several ways in which goods from EU countries can be checked. It is true - a No Deal seems to have been on the cards for a long while amid all the mumblings and grumblings. However - the Scottish issue, is another matter. It is only that Acipenseridae (Acid for short) woman who is stirring the porridge. Scotland is comprised of many insulate groups of people - who do not belong to the SNP - and they do not want to break away from the UK. There are only 5.4 million people in Scotland, almost as many Scottish people that live in the UK. The SNP only has 125,482 members, and got 977.569 votes only, down 13% from last election. In the 2017 election conservatives had 757. 949 votes. Scotland cannot go independent - it does not have the support, and the UK has invested a huge amount of money into North Sea Oil, which technically belongs to Scotland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libraryguy View Post
    So... at the very least abolish the backstop, and we'll sit down at the negotiating table. The Withdrawal Agreement is dead.

    We'll talk when you're ready, any time at the drop of a hat no matter how many thousands of miles away you are.

    Otherwise Bye Bye EU on 31 October.

    How much simpler can you get? About bloody time too!

    The more I hear from Boris the better it gets.

    As for the Scots, go your own ways mate, least we won't have to be bothered about you. Don't be coming to us to bail you out when it goes ars* over tit!

    Oh, and if you Scots are desperate to rejoin the United Kingdom, you won't be given the chance to have another vote for a thousand years!

    I like Scotland .

    The union is only under threat from Sturgeon and her ilk looking to make a power grab, Nicola Queen of Scots.

    They had a referendum they lost, hopefully the trend of not accepting democratic votes will end with our exit from the EU on the 31st October.

    They look south, see the anti-democracy extremists and are encouraged by them.

    The biggest threat to the Union is the second vote mob here.

    A Scottish vote is worth the same as an English one because they voted as equal members of the UK.

    The anti-democracy scourge is bringing our country and its institutions into disrepute.

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    I like the Scots too, but don't you really get sick and tired of hearing all the moaning and drivel from wee Jimmy Krankie! And that other Remoaner Ian Blackhead errr... ford.

    Sometimes you just want to let them go and do their own thing. Then we can concentrate on England and Wales.

    And no... you won't be using the bloody pound as your currency or have the Queen as Head of State.

    And what about the millions that you'll get from the Oil!! When the price crashed just after you voted to stay last time around. They'd have come crawling back, tails between their legs wanting us to bail them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libraryguy View Post
    So... at the very least abolish the backstop, and we'll sit down at the negotiating table. The Withdrawal Agreement is dead.

    We'll talk when you're ready, any time at the drop of a hat no matter how many thousands of miles away you are.

    Otherwise Bye Bye EU on 31 October.

    How much simpler can you get? About bloody time too!
    The problem there is there is no real alternative to the backstop.

    The choices are no deal, border in the Irish Sea, which will destroy Johnson's tiny majority as it throws the DUP under the bus. Or a general election.

    Ireland is a member state of the EU, and the protection of a member state takes priority over anything the UK can offer.

    Regardless of your or my stance, leave, remain, deal, no deal, left, right, it doesn't matter. The EU cannot allow the UK to leave on terms that are as good or better than it would have as a member state.

    Whether we are out on our own, with a backstop or not, on WTO terms or not, the EU aren't about to bend to our whims. It wouldn't make any sense at all. It cannot make it better to be out of the EU than in it. That's just common sense.

    I hope they do negotiate, but I think our government should prepare to spend billions to prop up industries in the next few years before external trade deals are signed sealed and delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    The problem there is there is no real alternative to the backstop.

    The choices are no deal, border in the Irish Sea, which will destroy Johnson's tiny majority as it throws the DUP under the bus. Or a general election.

    Ireland is a member state of the EU, and the protection of a member state takes priority over anything the UK can offer.

    Regardless of your or my stance, leave, remain, deal, no deal, left, right, it doesn't matter. The EU cannot allow the UK to leave on terms that are as good or better than it would have as a member state.

    Whether we are out on our own, with a backstop or not, on WTO terms or not, the EU aren't about to bend to our whims. It wouldn't make any sense at all. It cannot make it better to be out of the EU than in it. That's just common sense.

    I hope they do negotiate, but I think our government should prepare to spend billions to prop up industries in the next few years before external trade deals are signed sealed and delivered.
    Wales voted for Brexit and polls favour Tory's.


    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...s-Boris-bounce

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    The problem there is there is no real alternative to the backstop.

    The choices are no deal, border in the Irish Sea, which will destroy Johnson's tiny majority as it throws the DUP under the bus. Or a general election.

    Ireland is a member state of the EU, and the protection of a member state takes priority over anything the UK can offer.

    Regardless of your or my stance, leave, remain, deal, no deal, left, right, it doesn't matter. The EU cannot allow the UK to leave on terms that are as good or better than it would have as a member state.

    Whether we are out on our own, with a backstop or not, on WTO terms or not, the EU aren't about to bend to our whims. It wouldn't make any sense at all. It cannot make it better to be out of the EU than in it. That's just common sense.

    I hope they do negotiate, but I think our government should prepare to spend billions to prop up industries in the next few years before external trade deals are signed sealed and delivered.

    I keep repeating this - but no-one appears to have taken it on board. So here is the same facts from BBC News - copied and pasted!

    Norway is part of the single market through its membership of the European Economic Area (EEA) but it's not in the customs union.
    Being in the single market means Norway respects the EU's four freedoms - the freedom of movement of goods, services, capital and people. But that doesn't get rid of the need for customs checks.
    Even so, Norway's border with Sweden is one of the simplest and most technologically advanced customs borders in the world, and lorries only ever have to stop once. They do not have to repeat the same process on both sides of the border
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Wales voted for Brexit and polls favour Tory's.


    https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...s-Boris-bounce
    Yes, there's always a 'bounce' when a new PM is elected. It even happened with Theresa May.

    But what has that got to do with the backstop or the EU?

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    I keep repeating this - but no-one appears to have taken it on board. So here is the same facts from BBC News - copied and pasted!

    Norway is part of the single market through its membership of the European Economic Area (EEA) but it's not in the customs union.
    Being in the single market means Norway respects the EU's four freedoms - the freedom of movement of goods, services, capital and people. But that doesn't get rid of the need for customs checks.
    Even so, Norway's border with Sweden is one of the simplest and most technologically advanced customs borders in the world, and lorries only ever have to stop once. They do not have to repeat the same process on both sides of the border
    Norway is in Schengen.
    That was part of the EU deal for those poor suckers.

    The UK is not.
    Schengen facilitates illegal and modern slavery to the UK borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    I keep repeating this - but no-one appears to have taken it on board. So here is the same facts from BBC News - copied and pasted!

    Norway is part of the single market through its membership of the European Economic Area (EEA) but it's not in the customs union.
    Being in the single market means Norway respects the EU's four freedoms - the freedom of movement of goods, services, capital and people. But that doesn't get rid of the need for customs checks.
    Even so, Norway's border with Sweden is one of the simplest and most technologically advanced customs borders in the world, and lorries only ever have to stop once. They do not have to repeat the same process on both sides of the border
    Yes, that is no doubt true. But Norway hasn't left the EU. If we have freedom of movement of goods as part of the EEA, we've got to abide by the other rules. Freedom of movement seem to be a sticking point with most Brexiteers. Norway is in the Customs Union. Being in the single market means abiding by EU rules. Leaving with no deal isn't abiding by EU rules.

    The Norway model seems to be a decent alternative to full EU membership. But is it the Brexit that leave voters want, or is it a compromise too far?

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    There are much better and clever minds out there that can find a solution to the border problem. As far as I am aware and have heard it's down to technology.

    Cannot goods be stopped and checked away from a "border" which doesn't restrict the flow of the general public in cars, buses and rail?

    Truck drivers have paperwork that can easily be scanned using a barcode, maybe not even that, information can be read via RF technology as goods pass-through an invisible checkpoint with possible random stops of goods.

    If the police can get information very quickly on a vehicle using ANPR, there really does have to be a way to use technology to solve the problem.

    We're only talking about from NI to Eire. I'm unsure as to the extent of illegal refugees hiding in trucks, but my best guess that would be of minor significance at that border - more so at Dover.

    Still, we've finally got a PM and government who are not going to be walked over by the EU and go cap in hand saying "Yes Sir, No Sir, Three bags full Sir"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    But Norway hasn't left the EU. Norway is in the Customs Union. Being in the single market means abiding by EU rules. .

    The Norway model seems to be a decent alternative to full EU membership.
    Norway and its EEA membership (the Norway model) is often referred to, but how many are aware of what it involves? I doubt those who want Brexit would be happy if they were obliged, like Norway, to adopt EU Directives and Regulations into UK legislation, as Norway, with few exceptions, is obliged to do.
    For those with a genuine interest, the following is well worth spending a few minutes to read, in my honest opinion.

    https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts...claims-norway/
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    Well worth reading the above but :

    Norwegian PM to UK: Why would you want our EU deal?

    https://www.politico.eu/article/norw...eu-membership/

    Norway the wealthy independent nation has twice rejected membership of the EU.

    It is a much smaller nation yet we are often told we are too snall to cope.

    They have oil and fish so some similarities to us, they have though managed it better.

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    Norway is rich in natural resources, and is to be lauded for how they have managed them.

    As they have a small population, just looking at their total GDP doesn't give you a true picture of their economy. When you look at GDP per capita, they are number 3 on both the IMF and World Bank's 2018 chart. By comparison, on the IMF chart the US is in the 8th position, and the UK is 20th. Canada, which also has a small population, is 18th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libraryguy View Post
    There are much better and clever minds out there that can find a solution to the border problem. As far as I am aware and have heard it's down to technology.

    Cannot goods be stopped and checked away from a "border" which doesn't restrict the flow of the general public in cars, buses and rail?

    Truck drivers have paperwork that can easily be scanned using a barcode, maybe not even that, information can be read via RF technology as goods pass-through an invisible checkpoint with possible random stops of goods.

    If the police can get information very quickly on a vehicle using ANPR, there really does have to be a way to use technology to solve the problem.

    We're only talking about from NI to Eire. I'm unsure as to the extent of illegal refugees hiding in trucks, but my best guess that would be of minor significance at that border - more so at Dover.

    Still, we've finally got a PM and government who are not going to be walked over by the EU and go cap in hand saying "Yes Sir, No Sir, Three bags full Sir"
    I believe there are 195 public road border crossings between Northern Ireland and Eire. This is one reason why the technological solution could be so difficult.

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