EU - The Ball is in Your Court

[Hamble]

My point was that people, like yourself, have used this case as a "lets draw the line under that one" for the big red bus lie argument ... when the court case only judged on the legalities of using the number quoted and said nothing about the implication of future spending proposals which, for myself and many others, was the main bone of contention.

Similar to the student debt claim really.

https://fullfact.org/education/stude...id-labour-say/

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Similar to the student debt claim really.

https://fullfact.org/education/stude...id-labour-say/

And VAT?

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[Hamble]

And VAT?

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Yes.......and Dianne Abbott's costing of police.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7712916.html

[Hamble]

Someone living the lie!

".....This building was the Ministry of Truth,” he told his audience, before pausing briefly and inclining his head for comic effect. “Let us see.”

It is no disservice to the man, nor to misrepresent him, to say what he clearly meant by that remark. It was, arguably, an admirably honest way to acknowledge he had been one of the country’s leading Eurosceptics for 30 years. There were countless Eurosceptic things he had said and done that were a matter of public record. But now he was leader of the Labour Party, an explicitly pro-European organisation, and so he would have to lead his party’s campaign to remain in the EU.


Jeremy Corbyn appeals to Conservative MPs to back no-confidence vote
It would, he was acknowledging, be a tricky couple of months for him personally, but the country would surely vote Remain, and the whole thing could be quickly forgotten.

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. Now, two and half years later, as we reach Brexit’s panic hours, Jeremy Corbyn is positively cocooned in his own sticky little web of lies....."



https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8721396.html

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Yes.......and Dianne Abbott's costing of police.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7712916.html

But Hammonds little gaff is ok?

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[Mr B S Sniffer]

Someone living the lie!


Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive. Now, two and half years later, as we reach Brexit’s panic hours, Jeremy Corbyn is positively cocooned in his own sticky little web of lies....."



https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8721396.html

Pot, kettle black comes to mind!

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Yes.......and Dianne Abbott's costing of police.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7712916.html

Yes, but on the brighter side - imagine Dianne Abbott as the Financial Minister - bet that would be fun!
"Yes, you can all have a £1K a month pay rise, and you need only work six weeks in any year"
"Oh, I have made an error! That should be £2K a month pay rise and you get a holiday of six weeks in any year"
"No - I did not mean that, I meant....."

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Yes, but on the brighter side - imagine Dianne Abbott as the Financial Minister - bet that would be fun!
"Yes, you can all have a £1K a month pay rise, and you need only work six weeks in any year"
"Oh, I have made an error! That should be £2K a month pay rise and you get a holiday of six weeks in any year"
"No - I did not mean that, I meant....."

Yet Hammond was chancellor and made the gaff

No word on Grayling, he made Abbott look positively competent!

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Yet Hammond was chancellor and made the gaff

No word on Grayling, he made Abbott look positively competent!

How on earth do you manage to link on to those cartoons so fast to support your argument - or do you find an argument to suit the cartoon?

[Mr B S Sniffer]

How on earth do you manage to link on to those cartoons so fast to support your argument - or do you find an argument to suit the cartoon?

Look upon it as a gift, although when it comes to politics it's not hard is it.

The Tories could put a blue rosette on a t**d and they'd vote for it......................sorry they already have!

I do think it's a little disingenuous to single out Dianne Abbott when the Conservatives have their own array of incompetent clowns.

Graylings so useless that he asked that he be removed from government for his own sake.

Just remind me how much Grayling the PRUDENT CONSERVATIVE cost the tax payer?

I'll give you a helping hand:

• £33m to Eurotunnel to settle a lawsuit over extra ferry services in the event of no-deal Brexit
• £800k on consultants’ fees assessing the bid of a company with no ships that was temporarily awarded a Brexit-related ferry contract
• £50m-£70m due to drone scare at Gatwick airport following delays to bringing forward legislation
• £38m was the cost to the economy in the north of England due to the rail chaos in July 2018
• £2bn cost to taxpayers on the collapse of virgin trains east coast franchise
• £72k was blown on defending book ban for prisoners
• £15 million a year in additional costs to the Carillion contract to run facilities management in prisons
• £467m in additional projected payments to CRCs
• £32m of charges that were unlawfully collected which the government were ordered to pay back
• £23m contract to develop a new generation of GPS tracking tags for dangerous offenders was written off because the project has proved “too challenging”
• £60m over the £130m original budget relating to the wider electronic tagging programme has been described by the PAC as “fundamentally flawed” and “a catastrophic waste of public money”.
• £1.9m paid back to benefit claimants
plus pay and expenses

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[QUOTE=Mr B S Sniffer;6690897]Look upon it as a gift, although when it comes to politics it's not hard is it.

The Tories could put a blue rosette on a t**d and they'd vote for it......................sorry they already have!

I do think it's a little disingenuous to single out Dianne Abbott when the Conservatives have their own array of incompetent clowns.

Graylings so useless that he asked that he be removed from government for his own sake.

Just remind me how much Grayling the PRUDENT CONSERVATIVE cost the tax payer?

I'll give you a helping hand:

• £33m to Eurotunnel to settle a lawsuit over extra ferry services in the event of no-deal Brexit
• £800k on consultants’ fees assessing the bid of a company with no ships that was temporarily awarded a Brexit-related ferry contract
• £50m-£70m due to drone scare at Gatwick airport following delays to bringing forward legislation
• £38m was the cost to the economy in the north of England due to the rail chaos in July 2018
• £2bn cost to taxpayers on the collapse of virgin trains east coast franchise
• £72k was blown on defending book ban for prisoners
• £15 million a year in additional costs to the Carillion contract to run facilities management in prisons
• £467m in additional projected payments to CRCs
• £32m of charges that were unlawfully collected which the government were ordered to pay back
• £23m contract to develop a new generation of GPS tracking tags for dangerous offenders was written off because the project has proved “too challenging”
• £60m over the £130m original budget relating to the wider electronic tagging programme has been described by the PAC as “fundamentally flawed” and “a catastrophic waste of public money”.
• £1.9m paid back to benefit claimants
plus pay and expenses

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Ah! Well that is so obvious, I am surprised you have not seen it! Before joining the Conservatives - the man was with the Socialist Party - it appears that he never left that party. Have you heard of the saying "Red in the Bed" Well there you go!

[Mr B S Sniffer]

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Look upon it as a gift, although when it comes to politics it's not hard is it.

The Tories could put a blue rosette on a t**d and they'd vote for it......................sorry they already have!

I do think it's a little disingenuous to single out Dianne Abbott when the Conservatives have their own array of incompetent clowns.

Graylings so useless that he asked that he be removed from government for his own sake.

Just remind me how much Grayling the PRUDENT CONSERVATIVE cost the tax payer?

I'll give you a helping hand:

• £33m to Eurotunnel to settle a lawsuit over extra ferry services in the event of no-deal Brexit
• £800k on consultants’ fees assessing the bid of a company with no ships that was temporarily awarded a Brexit-related ferry contract
• £50m-£70m due to drone scare at Gatwick airport following delays to bringing forward legislation
• £38m was the cost to the economy in the north of England due to the rail chaos in July 2018
• £2bn cost to taxpayers on the collapse of virgin trains east coast franchise
• £72k was blown on defending book ban for prisoners
• £15 million a year in additional costs to the Carillion contract to run facilities management in prisons
• £467m in additional projected payments to CRCs
• £32m of charges that were unlawfully collected which the government were ordered to pay back
• £23m contract to develop a new generation of GPS tracking tags for dangerous offenders was written off because the project has proved “too challenging”
• £60m over the £130m original budget relating to the wider electronic tagging programme has been described by the PAC as “fundamentally flawed” and “a catastrophic waste of public money”.
• £1.9m paid back to benefit claimants
plus pay and expenses

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Ah! Well that is so obvious, I am surprised you have not seen it! Before joining the Conservatives - the man was with the Socialist Party - it appears that he never left that party. Have you heard of the saying "Red in the Bed" Well there you go!

And the so called fiscally prudent Tories let him loose with our cash

[silver fox]

Erh no first of all the allegation that it was a lie hit the buffers in the court if you still believe any part of it was a lie you can help the legal Action.

Marcus Ball despite raising £387,725 from people who think like you still has his gold plated hand out,

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/ballvjohnson



My central point is that the entire amount and indeed all government spending if and when we leave can be allocated by our own elected representatives,

and if we don't like it they can be voted out.



As to the money being committed that ends depending on any deal, the deal that failed went to December 2020.


https://publications.parliament.uk/p...lvii/30109.htm

Sick of the whole red bus and the attempts to white wash Johnson, all sums quoted from our ONS not some dodgy politician or biased media.

Firstly we do not and have never paid £350m per week to the EU, the rebate is deducted before any payments are made, that money never leaves the Exchequer and there is no way this can be classed as a saving or additional funding to our own budgeting.

The ONS themselves stated Johnson's claims to be "a clear misuse of official statistics"

We are now down to £250m per week, but let's look a little more, we recieved from the EU £43b in subsides and public sector funding, that brings our total annual bill to £8.9b, then there are the many funding grants to the private sector for r&d and education, these amount to a further £2.3b, we are now down to £6.6b a far cry from Johnsons claimed £18.2b.

Plus just for laughs £478m of our foreign aid budget comes from the EU budget, we will still be responsible for that after Brexit,we are now down to £6.1b per annum to the EU.

There are other deductions which could be made, but not easy to put a monetary value, for instance the testing standards of medicines for the EU currently based in the UK.

Johnson's claim of £350m per week doesn't look so good when put against reality.

Yes I fully understand that a good portion of this funding is determined by the EU rather than our own government, however with a Tory government in charge that is not a bad thing, Tories have never been keen on subsidising or funding anything which doesn't help their buddies and finders.

[Hamble]

Yes, but on the brighter side - imagine Dianne Abbott as the Financial Minister - bet that would be fun!
"Yes, you can all have a £1K a month pay rise, and you need only work six weeks in any year"
"Oh, I have made an error! That should be £2K a month pay rise and you get a holiday of six weeks in any year"
"No - I did not mean that, I meant....."

I remember *policegate*

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And the so called fiscally prudent Tories let him loose with our cash

Perhaps the Red Bus should have read, "Save £350 billion give it to Chris Grayling!"