Operation Yellowhammer - is it time to stock up

[Toodles McGinty]

I guess we've all read about 'Operation Yellowhammer' by now - the government's preparations for a 'no deal' Brexit.

According to the news today, fuel, food and medicines could be in short supply. Not worst case scenario, but the most likely 'aftershock' post-Brexit.

Is anyone taking this seriously, or are we all stuck in 'normalcy bias' mode - the powers that be will never allow this to happen?

[Mr B S Sniffer]

I guess we've all read about 'Operation Yellowhammer' by now - the government's preparations for a 'no deal' Brexit.

According to the news today, fuel, food and medicines could be in short supply. Not worst case scenario, but the most likely 'aftershock' post-Brexit.

Is anyone taking this seriously, or are we all stuck in 'normalcy bias' mode - the powers that be will never allow this to happen?

If you think it's bad at Christmas...…………………….

I doubt the little piggies at the tory top table will suffer...…...they never do.

Although Johnson would look good as a spit roast

[Hamble]

You were not happy in the EU so things can only get better.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

You were not happy in the EU so things can only get better.

You think you're getting your country back

[Toodles McGinty]

You were not happy in the EU so things can only get better.

I've always said there is a lot wrong with the EU. I even understood, to a degree, why people voted to leave. When the far right was on the rise across Europe. But did anyone vote for the current situation which we find ourselves in?

Now the far right is here. And Brexit is a wonderful opportunity for them. Washington Post:

And here’s the final irony: If Brexit was the creation, in part, of this new world of offshore money and political influence campaigns, Brexit may well ensure that it continues unrestricted. The E.U. is probably the only power in Europe — maybe even the only one in the world — with the regulatory strength to change the culture of tax avoidance. And since 2016, it has been slowly enacting rules designed to do exactly that. Britain, once it leaves the E.U., may well be exempt.

British industry might suffer after Brexit, and British power will be reduced. But the gray zone — where politics meets money, where foreign money can become domestic, where assets can be hidden and connections concealed — will survive. Perhaps that was the point all along.

I'm not going down the blame 'Brexshiteers / Remoaner' route. It's been done to death on here, and always descends into petty name calling and bickering with a refusal to see the other person's point of view. I don't think there's ever been a more divisive situation. I'm wondering was this what people knew they voted for, and if they are taking the possibility (probability?) of such shortages seriously.

[Hamble]

[QUOTE=Mr B S Sniffer;6692023]You think your getting your country back[/QUOTE

You think the highest tax payers are going to support free movement of people into the UK looking for a job.

Socialism has to have more than putting a far left wing politician in power.

[Hamble]

I've always said there is a lot wrong with the EU. I even understood, to a degree, why people voted to leave. When the far right was on the rise across Europe. But did anyone vote for the current situation which we find ourselves in?

Now the far right is here. And Brexit is a wonderful opportunity for them. Washington Post:

And here’s the final irony: If Brexit was the creation, in part, of this new world of offshore money and political influence campaigns, Brexit may well ensure that it continues unrestricted. The E.U. is probably the only power in Europe — maybe even the only one in the world — with the regulatory strength to change the culture of tax avoidance. And since 2016, it has been slowly enacting rules designed to do exactly that. Britain, once it leaves the E.U., may well be exempt.

British industry might suffer after Brexit, and British power will be reduced. But the gray zone — where politics meets money, where foreign money can become domestic, where assets can be hidden and connections concealed — will survive. Perhaps that was the point all along.

I'm not going down the blame 'Brexshiteers / Remoaner' route. It's been done to death on here, and always descends into petty name calling and bickering with a refusal to see the other person's point of view. I don't think there's ever been a more divisive situation. I'm wondering was this what people knew they voted for, and if they are taking the possibility (probability?) of such shortages seriously.

I love your reasoning posts.
I can relate to a good discussion.

As far as I can remember the Brexit Poll demo graph highlighted the fact
voters were predominantly British born sans the advantages of privilege in education and wealth.

Labour should be supporting people from communities who traditionally vote Labour.

The other group of Brexit supporters which I count myself in those who work in jobs and deal with organisations providing services for migrants immigrants and citizens who require help because they do not have the alternative to pay for services.


Then there is the Continental Europe thing.
Whilst Remainers are busy hating Trumpism ignoring the rise of the Far Right hate in Europe is inexplicable.
Europe cannot fix it-part of the problem and their past.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

[QUOTE=Hamble;6692026]

You think your getting your country back[/QUOTE

You think the highest tax payers are going to support free movement of people into the UK looking for a job.

Socialism has to have more than putting a far left wing politician in power.

They've got the sheep fooled.

[Hamble]

[QUOTE=Mr B S Sniffer;6692032]

They've got the sheep fooled.

Good old Rothermere.
Refused to sack his Editor's who supported Brexit.

[Toodles McGinty]

I love your reasoning posts.
I can relate to a good discussion.

As far as I can remember the Brexit Poll demo graph highlighted the fact
voters were predominantly British born sans the advantages of privilege in education and wealth.

Labour should be supporting people from communities who traditionally vote Labour.

The other group of Brexit supporters which I count myself in those who work in jobs and deal with organisations providing services for migrants immigrants and citizens who require help because they do not have the alternative to pay for services.


Then there is the Continental Europe thing.
Whilst Remainers are busy hating Trumpism ignoring the rise of the Far Right hate in Europe is inexplicable.
Europe cannot fix it-part of the problem and their past.

Not sure many agree with my reasoning

You're correct, from what I recall the majority of leave voters were from poorer, traditionally Labour voting areas. Historically, when a shift to the hard right happens, that seems to be the pattern. The less well off, in the face of an economic downturn, seem to bite the hand most likely to feed them, rather than those in power causing the problems. In Labour's case, I'm not sure what they could have done since 2010, apart from make the right noises. Have to say the right -wing press barons have done an excellent job in demonising the left. Again, throw enough muddy propaganda, and some will stick. When a photo of someone eating a bacon butty makes the front page of most newspapers, we haven't exactly been bathing in the hallowed waters of rational thinking.

You work with immigrants without the resources to fully support them. For you, will Brexit provide those resources, or merely eliminate the problem?

As far as the far-right in Europe is concerned, is the EU any more likely to fight that without the UK? Or again, does it just stop being our problem? Wasn't the EU born of the need to stop the far-right spawning once again?

Isn't Trump just another far-right populist demagogue that we should be fighting against. Not literally, but ideally. He's backed, as they nearly all are, by white Christian nationalists. There's a rally in Portland that, if it turns violent, he won't condemn as he knows his base. Aren't we moving from a place that was built to maintain peace to a 'vassal state' of a government of white supremacists?

If we were to revoke A50, what would you change about the EU if you could?

And have you got enough beans and bog roll if we don't

[Mr B S Sniffer]

[QUOTE=Hamble;6692035]

Good old Rothermere.
Refused to sack his Editor's who supported Brexit.

Well we all know the history of the Rothmere dynasty don't we?

[said]

You say that you do not want to go down the route of putting people against one another - but isn't that just what the EU commission did constantly? Regularly issuing policies that protected people, making them reliant on a system? Maintaining a rich and poor division of people? Not many have noticed that there is already a change in the general public - people are starting to stand up for themselves more and putting themselves forward. Soon, changes will become more evident.

There is no need to stock up on food, medication, fuel etc., That is scaremongering, just as when the turning of the century came around everything was supposed to grind to a halt.

Medication is manufactured at numerous UK sites and any other medication needed has and is being shipped over from the States, the oil is either piped to the UK or brought over in tankers that do not touch the EU, we are almost self sufficient in foods and soon will become even more so. Much of our food is imported from outside the EU. I doubt whether anyone will notice much difference - in or out of the EU!

[Mr B S Sniffer]

You say that you do not want to go down the route of putting people against one another - but isn't that just what the EU commission did constantly? Regularly issuing policies that protected people, making them reliant on a system? Maintaining a rich and poor division of people? Not many have noticed that there is already a change in the general public - people are starting to stand up for themselves more and putting themselves forward. Soon, changes will become more evident.

There is no need to stock up on food, medication, fuel etc., That is scaremongering, just as when the turning of the century came around everything was supposed to grind to a halt.

Medication is manufactured at numerous UK sites and any other medication needed has and is being shipped over from the States, the oil is either piped to the UK or brought over in tankers that do not touch the EU, we are almost self sufficient in foods and soon will become even more so. Much of our food is imported from outside the EU. I doubt whether anyone will notice much difference - in or out of the EU!

Cue the price increases

[Toodles McGinty]

You say that you do not want to go down the route of putting people against one another - but isn't that just what the EU commission did constantly? Regularly issuing policies that protected people, making them reliant on a system? Maintaining a rich and poor division of people? Not many have noticed that there is already a change in the general public - people are starting to stand up for themselves more and putting themselves forward. Soon, changes will become more evident.

Which policies in particular would you say have divided people? And which particular policies that protect people do you think were wrong?

There is no need to stock up on food, medication, fuel etc., That is scaremongering, just as when the turning of the century came around everything was supposed to grind to a halt.

With the 'millennium bug' there were experts working for years to ensure things went smoothly. Only today numerous reports have come out stating that businesses have tried to prepare for a no-deal Brexit, yet the paperwork and processes simply are not in place. The leaked 'Yellowhammer' document shows the likely, not the worst case scenario. All things considered, I'd trust the civil service who are trying to make this work than the likes of Kwasi Kwarteng trying to hammer the no-deal through for the cabinet of millionaires.

Medication is manufactured at numerous UK sites and any other medication needed has and is being shipped over from the States, the oil is either piped to the UK or brought over in tankers that do not touch the EU, we are almost self sufficient in foods and soon will become even more so. Much of our food is imported from outside the EU. I doubt whether anyone will notice much difference - in or out of the EU!

Again, the mechanisms for importing medication etc from outside the EU are not there yet. We don't make insulin, for example. How much will that cost to get here from the US. We are not self sufficient in food. It will take years to get even close to it.

I admire your optimism and faith in the powers that be. I just don't know how historically you've come to these conclusions. I do hope you are right, though. I remember the small shortages in the 70s when people would sell their grannies for a bag of sugar!

[Ceam]

I guess we've all read about 'Operation Yellowhammer' by now - the government's preparations for a 'no deal' Brexit.

According to the news today, fuel, food and medicines could be in short supply. Not worst case scenario, but the most likely 'aftershock' post-Brexit.

Is anyone taking this seriously, or are we all stuck in 'normalcy bias' mode - the powers that be will never allow this to happen?

Guess we all get to find out real soon....