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    There won't be any food shortages, nobody will starve !

    There maybe a temporary 'lack of availability' of some EU imported foods, so meanwhile we will just have to eat something else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    I guess we've all read about 'Operation Yellowhammer' by now - the government's preparations for a 'no deal' Brexit.

    According to the news today, fuel, food and medicines could be in short supply. Not worst case scenario, but the most likely 'aftershock' post-Brexit.

    Is anyone taking this seriously, or are we all stuck in 'normalcy bias' mode - the powers that be will never allow this to happen?
    i have read the laughable yellowhammer report for the mentally challenged...just curious....do we get our fuel from brussels or saudi arabia?..if you believe this crap you are stupid beyond belief...but if you are terrified about carrotts and brocolli etc not getting through...that is trucked thousands of miles from eastern europe....relax ,we grow them here in our hometown..perhaps you should support home grown veg and not the disgusting trade of eu veg causing global warming....we have gas at our fingertips in blackpool....but you idiots shun it and prefer to ship it thousands of miles from other countries...britain will thrive after brexit,,have some loyalty to britain and not the eu..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post



    Again, the mechanisms for importing medication etc from outside the EU are not there yet. We don't make insulin, for example. How much will that cost to get here from the US. We are not self sufficient in food. It will take years to get even close to it.
    Did you know that Americans flock to Canada by the bus load to buy insulin? The majority of Americans can't afford to buy it in their own country. A vial of insulin cost $320 in the US... $30 in Canada.

    The ever increasing number of Americans crossing the border to buy pharmaceuticals is becoming a concern for Canadians. Many worry that the Canadian supply will be depleted due to the increased demand, leaving us with shortages. The orange idiot is planning to legalise importing lower cost Canadian drugs, solving their problem at our expense... or as someone in the NY Times said: "Transfusing the blood of a mouse to an elephant. The mouse is not going to survive that"

    People in the UK have no idea what they're going to be up against in placing any dependence on the US. Take it from one who knows, after living with them on my shoulder for 45 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Not sure many agree with my reasoning

    You're correct, from what I recall the majority of leave voters were from poorer, traditionally Labour voting areas. Historically, when a shift to the hard right happens, that seems to be the pattern. The less well off, in the face of an economic downturn, seem to bite the hand most likely to feed them, rather than those in power causing the problems. In Labour's case, I'm not sure what they could have done since 2010, apart from make the right noises. Have to say the right -wing press barons have done an excellent job in demonising the left. Again, throw enough muddy propaganda, and some will stick. When a photo of someone eating a bacon butty makes the front page of most newspapers, we haven't exactly been bathing in the hallowed waters of rational thinking.

    You work with immigrants without the resources to fully support them. For you, will Brexit provide those resources, or merely eliminate the problem?

    As far as the far-right in Europe is concerned, is the EU any more likely to fight that without the UK? Or again, does it just stop being our problem? Wasn't the EU born of the need to stop the far-right spawning once again?

    Isn't Trump just another far-right populist demagogue that we should be fighting against. Not literally, but ideally. He's backed, as they nearly all are, by white Christian nationalists. There's a rally in Portland that, if it turns violent, he won't condemn as he knows his base. Aren't we moving from a place that was built to maintain peace to a 'vassal state' of a government of white supremacists?

    If we were to revoke A50, what would you change about the EU if you could?

    And have you got enough beans and bog roll if we don't
    I don't work with migrants specifically -rather the services provided are for all the public though it will be no surprise that 'government provision' of services are rationed due to demand.

    This would be the same situation whichever political party was in power.
    One cannot budget for an open ended (and population forecast rise)should the UK remain in Freedom of Movement Europe.

    The EU and specifically certain countries have failed to stop the rise of the Far Right they are just adding to the minority groups they were already beastly too.

    Brexit offers a chance of containing the Far Right and Far Left in the UK.

    Trump is contained across the ocean.

    I would not revoke article 50.


    Less beans less need for bog roll.
    I can do without bog roll we have a bidet

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    Quote Originally Posted by thediscovolante View Post
    i have read the laughable yellowhammer report for the mentally challenged...just curious....do we get our fuel from brussels or saudi arabia?..if you believe this crap you are stupid beyond belief...but if you are terrified about carrotts and brocolli etc not getting through...that is trucked thousands of miles from eastern europe....relax ,we grow them here in our hometown..perhaps you should support home grown veg and not the disgusting trade of eu veg causing global warming....we have gas at our fingertips in blackpool....but you idiots shun it and prefer to ship it thousands of miles from other countries...britain will thrive after brexit,,have some loyalty to britain and not the eu..


    And there we go...

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    [QUOTE=Mr B S Sniffer;6692041]
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post

    Well we all know the history of the Rothmere dynasty don't we?
    Do you mean Rothermere?

    The chappy who had no power only free speech?

    Surely you mean Ernest Bevan who did have power and the way he used it resulted in the deaths of human beings.

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    [QUOTE=Hamble;6692062]
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr B S Sniffer View Post

    Do you mean Rothermere?

    The chappy who had no power only free speech?

    Surely you mean Ernest Bevan who did have power and the way he used it resulted in the deaths of human beings.
    Yes Rotheremere I stand corrected.

    "Ernest Bevin" Oh you've come up with a jewish link out of thin air, pat yourself on the back

    Interesting you don't think the tax avoiding, lying press barons don't have any power.

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    [QUOTE=Mr B S Sniffer;6692063]
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post

    Yes Rotheremere I stand corrected.

    "Ernest Bevin" Oh you've come up with a jewish link out of thin air, pat yourself on the back

    Interesting you don't think the tax avoiding, lying press barons don't have any power.
    ?
    Bevan was not Jewish.

    Quote Mr BS.

    "Well we all know the history of the Rothmere dynasty don't we?"

    You have already brought this up on another thread and made quite clear it related to the 2nd world War hence my reply.

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    [QUOTE=Hamble;6692066]
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr B S Sniffer View Post

    ?
    Bevan was not Jewish.

    Quote Mr BS.

    "Well we all know the history of the Rothmere dynasty don't we?"

    You have already brought this up on another thread and made quite clear it related to the 2nd world War hence my reply.
    You brought Bevan/Bevin up because he opposed the establishment of the jewish state! Yes/No?

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    "Good old Rothermere."

    I merely reminded you where his inheritance came from.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post

    ?
    Bevan was not Jewish.
    Ernest Bevin was the Foreign Secretary when the State of Israel was created.

    Nye ( Aneurin) Bevan was a different guy. He was the Minister of Health from '45 - '51.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    I don't work with migrants specifically -rather the services provided are for all the public though it will be no surprise that 'government provision' of services are rationed due to demand.

    This would be the same situation whichever political party was in power.
    One cannot budget for an open ended (and population forecast rise)should the UK remain in Freedom of Movement Europe.

    The EU and specifically certain countries have failed to stop the rise of the Far Right they are just adding to the minority groups they were already beastly too.

    Brexit offers a chance of containing the Far Right and Far Left in the UK.

    Trump is contained across the ocean.

    I would not revoke article 50.


    Less beans less need for bog roll.
    I can do without bog roll we have a bidet
    I agree that certain countries have done nothing to stem the rise of the far right. Or not done enough, in retrospect.

    But I also think this country is one of them. The ERG are the hard right. Not 'far' right, but not far.

    You mentioned earlier:
    You think the highest tax payers are going to support free movement of people into the UK looking for a job.
    Yes, I do think they will. If immigration stops from the EU, it'll be Africa and India / Pakistan. It will be freedom of movement in exchange for trade deals. And those extremists that you fear won't have to travel through the EU to get here. They'll pop straight over.

    Independent. New Statesman. The Sun, even.

    I don't see how Brexit will contain the far right or far left. Firstly it's widely believed it's a far right construct, and secondly, having the far right in power will bring about a push to the far left, neither of which I'd want, personally. Remember, Brexit means deregulation. In anything the PTB want it to be.

    Trump will not be contained anywhere. You cannot believe that, surely? All deals will lead to US healthcare getting their hands on the NHS among a host of other things, and it won't be to our advantage.

    As for bog roll, I have no bidet, so I'll go along with the rhyme 'In days of old when knights were bold and paper weren't invented...'

    We can grow cabbage leaves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    I agree that certain countries have done nothing to stem the rise of the far right. Or not done enough, in retrospect.

    But I also think this country is one of them. The ERG are the hard right. Not 'far' right, but not far.

    You mentioned earlier:


    Yes, I do think they will. If immigration stops from the EU, it'll be Africa and India / Pakistan. It will be freedom of movement in exchange for trade deals. And those extremists that you fear won't have to travel through the EU to get here. They'll pop straight over.

    Independent. New Statesman. The Sun, even.

    I don't see how Brexit will contain the far right or far left. Firstly it's widely believed it's a far right construct, and secondly, having the far right in power will bring about a push to the far left, neither of which I'd want, personally. Remember, Brexit means deregulation. In anything the PTB want it to be.

    Trump will not be contained anywhere. You cannot believe that, surely? All deals will lead to US healthcare getting their hands on the NHS among a host of other things, and it won't be to our advantage.

    As for bog roll, I have no bidet, so I'll go along with the rhyme 'In days of old when knights were bold and paper weren't invented...'

    We can grow cabbage leaves
    You might return to the old days with torn up squares of newspaper hanging on a nail. Say goodbye to reading the news online, print media will be back in high demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    Ernest Bevin was the Foreign Secretary when the State of Israel was created.

    Nye ( Aneurin) Bevan was a different guy. He was the Minister of Health from '45 - '51.
    Give her a chance and she'll find a link

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    I agree that certain countries have done nothing to stem the rise of the far right. Or not done enough, in retrospect.

    But I also think this country is one of them. The ERG are the hard right. Not 'far' right, but not far.

    You mentioned earlier:


    Yes, I do think they will. If immigration stops from the EU, it'll be Africa and India / Pakistan. It will be freedom of movement in exchange for trade deals. And those extremists that you fear won't have to travel through the EU to get here. They'll pop straight over.

    Independent. New Statesman. The Sun, even.

    I don't see how Brexit will contain the far right or far left. Firstly it's widely believed it's a far right construct, and secondly, having the far right in power will bring about a push to the far left, neither of which I'd want, personally. Remember, Brexit means deregulation. In anything the PTB want it to be.

    Trump will not be contained anywhere. You cannot believe that, surely? All deals will lead to US healthcare getting their hands on the NHS among a host of other things, and it won't be to our advantage.

    As for bog roll, I have no bidet, so I'll go along with the rhyme 'In days of old when knights were bold and paper weren't invented...'

    We can grow cabbage leaves
    Immigration is not the problem or where the migrants come from other than Europe.

    EU migration has no means testing due to 'free movement'.

    Continental Europe's poor and down trodden and minorities particularly those who are immigrants to Europe are free to look for work.

    The Far Left includes Radical Islamic Terrorism.
    Supporters are able to move across Europe freely just as Far Right supporters are.

    Trump will not be around for ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    And there we go...

    There is no turning back! Steve Barclay has signed the repeal of the 1972 EU Act.
    "The votes of 17.4 million people deciding to leave the EU is the greatest democratic mandate ever given to any UK Government. Politicians cannot choose which public votes they wish to respect. Parliament has already voted to leave on 31 October. The signing of this legislation ensures that the EU Withdrawal Act will repeal the European Communities Act 1972 on exit day." Govt. UK

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