Operation Yellowhammer - is it time to stock up

[Toodles McGinty]

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It is not an insult it is a genuine political voice.
This Muslim left should also espouse the following basic ideas, without being limited to them:

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• separation of mosque and state;
• opposition to tyranny (even if the tyrant has liberal values);
• affirmance of republicanism or democracy;
• an ability to coherently demonstrate that the Muslim right represents merely one interpretation of Islam;
• a commitment to free speech and eagerness to defeat the Muslim right in the marketplace of ideas;
• commitment to religious individualism and opposition to left-collectivism, specifically Marxism;
• opposition to economic protectionism;
• opposing any and all calls for a "council of religious experts" that can oversee legislation (even if those experts are liberals); and
• affirming international law.


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...fthemuslimleft

Doesn't that article state that the Muslim right is already well established, and the author is arguing that there should be a Muslim left?

I really don't see what religion has to do with the way you vote. The vast majority of people in this country are white Christian, and vote all over the spectrum. I'd venture that Labour take a larger slice of the Muslim vote in inner city areas, because they take a larger slice of everyone's vote in inner city areas.

I'd say it's more about socioeconomics than religion.

[salus.populi]

The have nots in this country have suffered more due to being in the EU.

The have nots in this country have suffered more at the hands of UK governments than they have from the EU and will bear the brunt of Brexit.
The EU has funded deprived areas of the UK
The UK has also refused EU aid for the poor.

[*concerned*]

The EU has funded deprived areas of the UK

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You mean that they have given us some of out OWN money back!

[Mr B S Sniffer]

His reading is limited to cartoons on the back of cereal boxes!

I do books as well, your biography I believe.

[Hamble]

Doesn't that article state that the Muslim right is already well established, and the author is arguing that there should be a Muslim left?

I really don't see what religion has to do with the way you vote. The vast majority of people in this country are white Christian, and vote all over the spectrum. I'd venture that Labour take a larger slice of the Muslim vote in inner city areas, because they take a larger slice of everyone's vote in inner city areas.

I'd say it's more about socioeconomics than religion.

Yes-a Muslim Left voice which would only be possible in the West
hence the support here.

Also has to be said the Muslim vote does not like Tory's as Capitalism is against Islamic belief.

You mentioned Baroness Warsi belonging to the Tory Party?
She did get terrible abuse for her choice and threats from the Muslim community that did not abate until she resigned on the Palestine/Israel issue.

Corbyn has promised that if he becomes PM his party will immediately recognise Palestine as an Independent State.
That is very much the vote clincher for Muslim and many non Muslim voters.

In reality (as much as as I support a two State solution) Labour would in effect be supporting a State run by the terrorist group Hamas which has Capital punishment and Sharia Law.

How different if the goal first was the modern left Islamic politics of my
link for the people of Palestine?

[Mr B S Sniffer]

The have nots in this country have suffered more at the hands of UK governments than they have from the EU and will bear the brunt of Brexit.
The EU has funded deprived areas of the UK
The UK has also refused EU aid for the poor.

Totally agree with your first point.

[AdmiralAckbar]

You mean that they have given us some of out OWN money back!

... yes, our own money back - money which the Tories would probably have used to fund more high earner tax cuts, money which the deprived areas would probably have never seen.

[Hamble]

The have nots in this country have suffered more at the hands of UK governments than they have from the EU and will bear the brunt of Brexit.
The EU has funded deprived areas of the UK
The UK has also refused EU aid for the poor.

If you read this article it is clearer.



"It is understood that in "trilogue" negotiations – between the European commission, the council of ministers and the European Parliament – British officials formed a blocking minority with three other EU member states to water down the fund which will run from 2014-2020. Under the original plans there would have been just one funding strand for the "distribution of material assistance" – sleeping bags and food. But Britain prompted the creation of a second funding strand known as "immaterial assistance" to cover counselling and budget maintenance but not food banks.

The position taken by UK officials means that Britain will draw down just €3.5m (£2.9m) from the fund compared with €443m for France which is around the same size as the UK. Britain is taking the same amount as Malta, the smallest EU member state with a population of 450,000.

The department for work and pensions said that Britain has not lost any money because the £22m would have come out of the UK's EU structural fund pot. It said that ministers have not decided how to allocate the £2.9m earmarked for Britain from the fund, though this is expected to be spent on helping unemployed people find work.

A DWP spokesperson said: "We aren't losing money – any funding the UK receives from the Fund for European Aid to the Most Deprived will be taken off our structural fund allocation. Instead we will use our structural funds to support local initiatives to train and support disadvantaged people into work. We have not yet decided how the €3.5m euro pot (£2.9m) will be spent – food aid is just one of the options for spending the money."

Chris Mould, the executive chairman of Britain's largest network of food banks, the Trussell Trust, told the Guardian: "We would welcome an opportunity to have discussions with DWP about how we could use that €3.5m to good effect. If the EU made a decision in the European Parliament that this money should be used for the assistance of people in severe need – and it has got a food aid tag on it – then we hope they will talk to us."

On the signs that the government would like to spend the money in helping people into work, rather than on food aid, Mould said: "It is the decision of government at all times what its priorities are for the money it has available. But it does need to spend money in several places not in one place. The Trussell Trust has provided through its network of food banks emergency assistance for over 500,000 people since 2013 who are in financial crisis, who are going hungry who have been referred by more than 23,000 different professionals holding vouchers.


https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ing-food-banks

[Toodles McGinty]

Is it an equal comparison even hypothetically?

The have nots in this country have suffered more due to being in the EU and would suffer more through no tax payers.

The have nots in this country have suffered more at the hands of UK governments than they have from the EU and will bear the brunt of Brexit.
The EU has funded deprived areas of the UK
The UK has also refused EU aid for the poor.

I'd like to know how the 'have-nots' have suffered more due to being in the EU?

When 'said' wrote:

You say that you do not want to go down the route of putting people against one another - but isn't that just what the EU commission did constantly? Regularly issuing policies that protected people, making them reliant on a system? Maintaining a rich and poor division of people?

I asked which policies in particular would you say have divided people? And which particular policies that protect people do you think were wrong? Never got an answer.

As some people state 'We'll make our own laws' and I ask which particular laws do you want to change? Never get an answer.

I know rich people, especially the ERG and their buddies, are absolutely crapping themselves over the EU's Anti Tax Avoidance Directive. Poor people would actually benefit from that.

So how have poor people suffered through being in the EU?

[Toodles McGinty]

If you read this article it is clearer.



"It is understood that in "trilogue" negotiations – between the European commission, the council of ministers and the European Parliament – British officials formed a blocking minority with three other EU member states to water down the fund which will run from 2014-2020. Under the original plans there would have been just one funding strand for the "distribution of material assistance" – sleeping bags and food. But Britain prompted the creation of a second funding strand known as "immaterial assistance" to cover counselling and budget maintenance but not food banks.

The position taken by UK officials means that Britain will draw down just €3.5m (£2.9m) from the fund compared with €443m for France which is around the same size as the UK. Britain is taking the same amount as Malta, the smallest EU member state with a population of 450,000.

So our government screwed up, not the EU?

[salus.populi]

You mean that they have given us some of out OWN money back!

Yes that's right. And it's been spent in parts of the country where our own government won't spend it.

[local]

I'd like to know how the 'have-nots' have suffered more due to being in the EU?

When 'said' wrote:



I asked which policies in particular would you say have divided people? And which particular policies that protect people do you think were wrong? Never got an answer.

As some people state 'We'll make our own laws' and I ask which particular laws do you want to change? Never get an answer.

I know rich people, especially the ERG and their buddies, are absolutely crapping themselves over the EU's Anti Tax Avoidance Directive. Poor people would actually benefit from that.

So how have poor people suffered through being in the EU?

Uncontrolled immigration has affected the have nots far more than those who are not one of the reasons why so many of them voted to leave.

The I'm alright Jack brigade who pack the remain camp simply ignored the poor as usual and looked at the rest of the world for their excuses although they forget the work permit requirements.

The Islington luvvies answer was to blame "the government" for not spending more despite our debt.

The reality for the have nots in this town is that for many your job, housing,healthcare and public services have in the main gone to EU citizens.

A stroll around our town centre exhibits this trend, further afield no pun intended our agriculture businesses and even our Pet Food manufacturing has a large contingent.

A lot of the migrants are diligent and hard working but they don't bring housing, healthcare and other services with them and this puts pressure on limited services used by the have nots.

Spend more of someone else's money the luvvies cry, tax someone anyone.

The reality is we already pay enough and in the privacy of the polling booths that's what so many people think.

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Uncontrolled immigration has affected the have nots far more than those who are not one of the reasons why so many of them voted to leave.

The I'm alright Jack brigade who pack the remain camp simply ignored the poor as usual and looked at the rest of the world for their excuses although they forget the work permit requirements.

The Islington luvvies answer was to blame "the government" for not spending more despite our debt.

The reality for the have nots in this town is that for many your job, housing,healthcare and public services have in the main gone to EU citizens.

A stroll around our town centre exhibits this trend, further afield no pun intended our agriculture businesses and even our Pet Food manufacturing has a large contingent.

A lot of the migrants are diligent and hard working but they don't bring housing, healthcare and other services with them and this puts pressure on limited services used by the have nots.

Spend more of someone else's money the luvvies cry, tax someone anyone.

The reality is we already pay enough and in the privacy of the polling booths that's what so many people think.

The biggest beneficiaries of cheap labour are the tax dodging multi corporations.

And you say we already pay enough. We might they don't!

[Hamble]

I'd like to know how the 'have-nots' have suffered more due to being in the EU?

When 'said' wrote:



I asked which policies in particular would you say have divided people? And which particular policies that protect people do you think were wrong? Never got an answer.

As some people state 'We'll make our own laws' and I ask which particular laws do you want to change? Never get an answer.

I know rich people, especially the ERG and their buddies, are absolutely crapping themselves over the EU's Anti Tax Avoidance Directive. Poor people would actually benefit from that.

So how have poor people suffered through being in the EU?

Housing/Accommodation
School places -overcrowded and often siblings at different schools not in reasonable walking distance.

Rationing of state funded services particularly the nhs and Legal Aid.

I have told you the Law I wish to change is 'Free Movement' of European peoples.The system is abused and disadvantages the poorest people in the UK.

[Hamble]

So our government screwed up, not the EU?

What was an opposition MP doing making Government Financial decisions?

"Richard Howitt, a Labour MEP who helped negotiate the new fund, accused ....


.........................The department for work and pensions said that Britain has not lost any money because the £22m would have come out of the UK's EU structural fund pot. It said that ministers have not decided how to allocate the £2.9m earmarked for Britain from the fund, though this is expected to be spent on helping unemployed people find work.

A DWP spokesperson said: "We aren't losing money – any funding the UK receives from the Fund for European Aid to the Most Deprived will be taken off our structural fund allocation. Instead we will use our structural funds to support local initiatives to train and support disadvantaged people into work. We have not yet decided how the €3.5m euro pot (£2.9m) will be spent – food aid is just one of the options for spending the money."he government of neglecting the needs of the poor."