StoptheCoup demo, today, 2pm Town Hall

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Well that is some comfort that the Forum's number one Corbynista PR cheerleader would not even vote for him!

Well you stick with the party trying to exercise it's final solution on the poor, the sick and the disabled.

Your kind of people I would think

[Mr B S Sniffer]

It's not a power grab he is trying to carry out the wishes of the people.


Surely that's what your supposed to do in a democracy the hypocritical lying two faced MP's who are trying to stop him are the problem.


If he was trying to foist remain on us I would agree with you that would be an attempted power grab from an over blown, egotistical, power hungry wanna be dictator going against the peoples declared wishes.

It's a power grab masquerading under the guise of carrying out the will of the people.

[admin]

Ah! You are not referring to the Joe Cox 'murder' are you? That is a Pandora's box that you do not want to open! There are so many anomalies associated with this so called 'murder' that it would take a genius to be able to explain them all and even then be convincing!

Using the murder of an innocent woman as a tool to propagate politically motivated conspiracy theories is unconscionable. It may have been acceptable on social media sites, but it's totally unacceptable on this forum.

Take this as a warning not to continue discussing this reprehensible conspiracy theory.

[Desert Region]

*applause*

Am surprised to be reading of your applause.

For you, it's: by any means necessary.


For most Remainers, that is the case.

Dame Margaret Beckett is blatant in her views:

Brexit More Important Than Bullying, Says Labour's Dame Margaret Beckett Amid Calls For Speaker John Bercow To Resign

Asked if that meant Labour would tolerate bullying, she added: “Abuse is terrible, it should be stopped, behaviour should change anyway, whether the speaker goes or not.

“But yes, if it comes to the constitutional future of this country, the most difficult decision we have made, not since the war but possibly, certainly in all our lifetimes, hundreds of years, yes it trumps bad behaviour.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b0d38b58724a9c


And all other views are thus ignored:

[Albion102]

If only we lived in a direct democracy rather than a Parliamentary democracy. Then those MPs couldn't do what the heck they wanted once elected. Which they can. Might get plenty of people outraged, but unless the system changes, we've just got to suck on it.

Or show your displeasure in some way. Perhaps protesting?

You know the solution, folks. Don't elect them next time.

Doesn't direct democracy consist of binding referenda ? The truth is that we remainers have had three years to create a best of both worlds settlement agreement and many of those MPs now holding their hands up in horror voted against the only sensible Brexit deal available, several times. The truth is that we, by our actions, have created the no deal Brexit.

Let them get on with it and then if the world really is so bad outside the EU, a mandate to rejoin should be a cinch.

[local]

It's a power grab masquerading under the guise of carrying out the will of the people.

Its simply not a power grab he went through a rigorous long winded selection process his election as leader of the party was by by a large majority.

He made absolutely clear his intention and his party the one the country chose to lead it wanted him.

Come the next election which may be soon you can vote for the Liberal Democrats who are clear on their dislike of Brexit,

unless Labour get rid of Corbyn of course ?

[Toodles McGinty]

Am surprised to be reading of your applause.

For you, it's: by any means necessary.


For most Remainers, that is the case.

Dame Margaret Beckett is blatant in her views:

Brexit More Important Than Bullying, Says Labour's Dame Margaret Beckett Amid Calls For Speaker John Bercow To Resign

Asked if that meant Labour would tolerate bullying, she added: “Abuse is terrible, it should be stopped, behaviour should change anyway, whether the speaker goes or not...

To be honest, DR, yes - by any means necessary.

This isn't what leave voters wanted, surely? OK, you want to leave the EU. But by any means necessary? Like this? Even though virtually every business leader, economist and political expert has predicted terrible tolls on the country? When it's already cost us over £73 billion (up to today)? When the government is spending £100 million just to tell us to 'get ready'? For what? What is going to happen that they haven't already told us about? The threat of nuclear bombs in the Cold War didn't get that kind of attention.

And when our government has been taken over by the hard right elite, who don't give a toss about the poor and sick. The workers having to go to food banks and claim benefits? You're an intelligent person, you cannot believe that this situation is anything but a power grab by an unelected Prime Minister who knows that his own government is turning on him.

It is surely obvious to you that the filthy rich here are wetting themselves about the new EU legislation to control tax evasion? Proposed in Jan 2016, incidentally. A month later Cameron announces the referendum. Just a coincidence.

I don't know, maybe you are filthy rich or hard right wing. Maybe the whole situation doesn't matter, because you see the EU as some kind of monster that we pay into and get nothing back.

I just see this as a situation that nobody, or very few voted for. Certainly not a majority.

[bambi275]

Doesn't direct democracy consist of binding referenda ? The truth is that we remainers have had three years to create a best of both worlds settlement agreement and many of those MPs now holding their hands up in horror voted against the only sensible Brexit deal available, several times. The truth is that we, by our actions, have created the no deal Brexit.

Let them get on with it and then if the world really is so bad outside the EU, a mandate to rejoin should be a cinch.

Well, it's not often. I agree with Albion but...

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Its simply not a power grab he went through a rigorous long winded selection process his election as leader of the party was by by a large majority.

He made absolutely clear his intention and his party the one the country chose to lead it wanted him.

Come the next election which may be soon you can vote for the Liberal Democrats who are clear on their dislike of Brexit,

unless Labour get rid of Corbyn of course ?

Just remind what Johson said when Brown became PM under the same circumstances?

[Albion102]

Just remind what Johson said when Brown became PM under the same circumstances?

It seems wrong to me, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Unless unelected PM's go back to the people very quickly, it never ends well. The way to stop this nonsense is to have a directly elected executive and two elected chambers. However this starts to create a hugely diminised role for the monarchy, and oddly this seems to be a problem.

[Toodles McGinty]

Doesn't direct democracy consist of binding referenda ? The truth is that we remainers have had three years to create a best of both worlds settlement agreement and many of those MPs now holding their hands up in horror voted against the only sensible Brexit deal available, several times. The truth is that we, by our actions, have created the no deal Brexit.

Let them get on with it and then if the world really is so bad outside the EU, a mandate to rejoin should be a cinch.

Yes, but we've a Parliamentary democracy. We elect MPs to represent us. Whether they do or not is down to them.

That we don't have a deal is down to the utter incompetence of a succession of our negotiators, and Theresa May's 'red lines'. And I honestly don't think anyone even considered the Good Friday Agreement and the Irish border for a single second.

There is no mandate for a no deal, by an unelected Prime Minister, who is bending Parliamentary rules to suit billionaires who are terrified of their offshore accounts being taken away. As I pointed out in a previous post, as soon as the Anti-Tax Avoidance bill was presented, Cameron announced the referendum pretty sharpish.

The unelected PM is being instructed by a psychopath who was in contempt of Parliament for the lies the leave side told during their campaign. A psychopath with the power to sack Javid's employee, even though she doesn't work for him?

All of this is simply 'let's just get on with it', never mind we now have a tinpot dictator preventing the Mother of Parliaments from sitting?

And none of this stinks?

[Mr B S Sniffer]

Yes, but we've a Parliamentary democracy. We elect MPs to represent us. Whether they do or not is down to them.

That we don't have a deal is down to the utter incompetence of a succession of our negotiators, and Theresa May's 'red lines'. And I honestly don't think anyone even considered the Good Friday Agreement and the Irish border for a single second.

There is no mandate for a no deal, by an unelected Prime Minister, who is bending Parliamentary rules to suit billionaires who are terrified of their offshore accounts being taken away. As I pointed out in a previous post, as soon as the Anti-Tax Avoidance bill was presented, Cameron announced the referendum pretty sharpish.

The unelected PM is being instructed by a psychopath who was in contempt of Parliament for the lies the leave side told during their campaign. A psychopath with the power to sack Javid's employee, even though she doesn't work for him?

All of this is simply 'let's just get on with it', never mind we now have a tinpot dictator preventing the Mother of Parliaments from sitting?

And none of this stinks?

Have you ever read this? If not you should.

[Toodles McGinty]

Have you ever read this? If not you should.

Disaster capitalists. They'll make a killing. And then will feel blissfully happy knowing their offshore accounts will be safe from the clutches of the EU.

George Monbiot: "While the kleptocrats fleece us, we are urged to look elsewhere.
"We are mesmerised by buffoons who encourage us to channel the anger that should be reserved for billionaires towards immigrants, women, Jews, Muslims, people of colour and other imaginary enemies and customary scapegoats. Just as it was in the 1930s, the new demagoguery is a con, a revolt against the impacts of capital, financed by capitalists.

Breaking this spiral is a democratic necessity: otherwise the oligarchs, as we have seen, come to dominate national and international life. The spiral does not stop by itself: only government action can do it.

Government action has been prorogued. Government power has been taken. Only Johnson, Cummings and the ERG hold any power today. Next week could go down in British history as remarkable, or the biggest coup ever mounted.

[said]

Its simply not a power grab he went through a rigorous long winded selection process his election as leader of the party was by by a large majority.

He made absolutely clear his intention and his party the one the country chose to lead it wanted him.

Come the next election which may be soon you can vote for the Liberal Democrats who are clear on their dislike of Brexit,

unless Labour get rid of Corbyn of course ?

What if people did not want Labour, Liberal or Conservative? Labour have shown to constantly sway with the wind, Liberal merely cling to whatever topic is popular on the day - and Conservative - well we are till awaiting the outcome. I suspect some form of a deal is on the table, otherwise why are we being given carrots?

[said]

Disaster capitalists. They'll make a killing. And then will feel blissfully happy knowing their offshore accounts will be safe from the clutches of the EU.

George Monbiot: "While the kleptocrats fleece us, we are urged to look elsewhere.
"We are mesmerised by buffoons who encourage us to channel the anger that should be reserved for billionaires towards immigrants, women, Jews, Muslims, people of colour and other imaginary enemies and customary scapegoats. Just as it was in the 1930s, the new demagoguery is a con, a revolt against the impacts of capital, financed by capitalists.

Breaking this spiral is a democratic necessity: otherwise the oligarchs, as we have seen, come to dominate national and international life. The spiral does not stop by itself: only government action can do it.

Government action has been prorogued. Government power has been taken. Only Johnson, Cummings and the ERG hold any power today. Next week could go down in British history as remarkable, or the biggest coup ever mounted.

RE: George Monbiot's view. Overall it is the procedures of propaganda - divide and conquer! Split the people into smaller groups and put them against one another!