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Originally Posted by Mr B S Sniffer
Amazing, Corbyns the bad guy!
The biggest thing facing this country and the gigantic fraud prorogues parliament, why because the back slapping conference season is upon us. You couldn't make this sh**e up if you tried.
Hamble is akin to the Iraqi Comical Ali standing in front of American troops rolling into Baghdad and saying the Americans were being pushed back, the WHOLE mess is the responsibility of the Conservative & Unionist Party and it's supporters Corbyn has absolutely NO responsibility for the current shambles in this Country just Hamble and her like and the idiots they vote for.
It is just the Tory first line of defence to BLAME everyone bar themselves and if you say it often enough the gullible believe them.
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Originally Posted by local
This farce is reaching its climax one way or another,
the people presently protesting against a government trying to enact the will of the people are to have yet another moment in the sun this week.
The stealing peoples votes movement desperate attempts to look respectable are shabby.
One thing you can take from this is how responsible and civilised the Brexiteers are putting up with these constant attacks on their votes and democracy.
In reality the wrong lot have taken to the streets.
You mean Johnson and his fascist chums are using it to their advantage, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society !
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Originally Posted by bensherman
Right up to the referendum nobody was sure which side he would support, and in the end went with Leave as it promised greater career potential.
Utter cynic.
Incompetent
Ego maniac
That fact is much ignored and yet it speaks volumes about his so-called principles. I wish more people would reflect on it.
Don't go to bed angry. Stay up and plot your revenge.
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Originally Posted by birdbath
That fact is much ignored and yet it speaks volumes about his so-called principles. I wish more people would reflect on it.
He hasn't got any, ask his wives!
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The more Corbyn's elect-ability as PM go's down in the poles the more
desperately un Socialist the comments and threats.
Knock yourself out lefties.
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I find it quite odd when leavers rattle on about democracy and the 'will of the people' with their slightly less than 52% majority, when in the last election over 54% voted for parties that ruled out a no-deal Brexit.
Surely in their 'we won you lost' mentality, a 54% majority wins in the Brexit stakes?
As has been pointed out repeatedly, nobody voted for a no-deal Brexit. It was never on offer. But what was on offer was deals with the EU. Deals that ensured no job losses (which has already happened). Deals that prevented huge price rises (which have already started).
Did anybody vote for suspending democracy when the referendum was held? Or is it OK to suspend democracy when you think it might go your way? Where are the staunch defenders of democracy when we are being denied the right to representation when it's needed most?
- Javid: ‘You don’t deliver democracy by trashing democracy. We aren't selecting a dictator,’
- Gove: ‘I will defend democracy. You can't take Britain out of EU against will of Parliament.'
- Hancock: ‘“no-deal will not happen whether people want it or not… Proroguing Parliament undermines parliamentary democracy and risks a general election. I rule it out and call on all candidates to do the same”
- Matt Hancock again: “A policy on Brexit to prorogue Parliament would mean the end of the Conservative Party as a serious party of government.”
- Amber Rudd: “I think it’s outrageous to consider proroguing Parliament. We are not Stuart kings.”
- Nicky Morgan: “Proroguing Parliament is clearly a mad suggestion. You cannot say you are going to take back control … and then go: ‘Oh, by the way, we are just going to shut Parliament down for a couple of months, so we are just going to drift out on a no deal’.”
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Originally Posted by bensherman
Johnson wrote at length about the merit of the EU several years before the referendum. He even did a TV piece about how good it would be for Turkey to be admitted.
Right up to the referendum nobody was sure which side he would support, and in the end went with Leave as it promised greater career potential.
Utter cynic.
Incompetent
Ego maniac
He's certainly an utter something begining with C.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
I find it quite odd when leavers rattle on about democracy and the 'will of the people' with their slightly less than 52% majority, when in the last election over 54% voted for parties that ruled out a no-deal Brexit.
Surely in their 'we won you lost' mentality, a 54% majority wins in the Brexit stakes?
As has been pointed out repeatedly, nobody voted for a no-deal Brexit. It was never on offer. But what was on offer was deals with the EU. Deals that ensured no job losses (which has already happened). Deals that prevented huge price rises (which have already started).
Did anybody vote for suspending democracy when the referendum was held? Or is it OK to suspend democracy when you think it might go your way? Where are the staunch defenders of democracy when we are being denied the right to representation when it's needed most?
- Javid: ‘You don’t deliver democracy by trashing democracy. We aren't selecting a dictator,’
- Gove: ‘I will defend democracy. You can't take Britain out of EU against will of Parliament.'
- Hancock: ‘“no-deal will not happen whether people want it or not… Proroguing Parliament undermines parliamentary democracy and risks a general election. I rule it out and call on all candidates to do the same”
- Matt Hancock again: “A policy on Brexit to prorogue Parliament would mean the end of the Conservative Party as a serious party of government.”
- Amber Rudd: “I think it’s outrageous to consider proroguing Parliament. We are not Stuart kings.”
- Nicky Morgan: “Proroguing Parliament is clearly a mad suggestion. You cannot say you are going to take back control … and then go: ‘Oh, by the way, we are just going to shut Parliament down for a couple of months, so we are just going to drift out on a no deal’.”
Do you think that argument would work if Labour won the next election
by the same majority?
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Originally Posted by Hamble
Do you think that argument would work if Labour won the next election
by the same majority?
Tories telling lies, who would have guessed.
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Originally Posted by Mr B S Sniffer
Tories telling lies, who would have guessed.
Well I know it is unlikely but just imagine if Corbyn and the far left actually polled enough votes.
All your arguments on Brexit 'democracy' would just
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Boris would do to remember the demise of Italian Facist Dictator Mussolini, that was the Will of the People.
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Originally Posted by Hamble
Well I know it is unlikely but just imagine if Corbyn and the far left actually polled enough votes.
All your arguments on Brexit 'democracy' would just
This "gigantic fraud" has just suspended democracy!
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Originally Posted by Hamble
Do you think that argument would work if Labour won the next election
by the same majority?
TBH, Hamble, the FPTP system leaves me wondering how many votes or few votes one needs to be in power. How are 'confidence and supply' deals allowed, with the exchange of billions of pounds? How is that legal?
Majorities or minorities mean little when voting is not compulsory. Of course I'd argue if Labour got 54% of the vote, then they should be in power. The Tories got into power with 42% of the vote. Trump got into power without winning at all. The system here (and the USA) is effed-up. Under any other circumstances, general election, local elections, then if nothing was dodgy, then I'd say the results stand.
But the referendum was a farce. Have a watch of 'The Great Hack' on Netflix. Investigating Cambridge Analytica and its influence in elections all over the world. As terrible as they are, admitting to all sorts of chicanery, they distanced themselves from their involvement with Brexit like it was an unexploded bomb. Wouldn't even admit to being involved, though they were. Bannon, Farage, all interlinked. Interesting watch.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
- Javid: ‘You don’t deliver democracy by trashing democracy. We aren't selecting a dictator,’
- Gove: ‘I will defend democracy. You can't take Britain out of EU against will of Parliament.'
- Hancock: ‘“no-deal will not happen whether people want it or not… Proroguing Parliament undermines parliamentary democracy and risks a general election. I rule it out and call on all candidates to do the same”
- Matt Hancock again: “A policy on Brexit to prorogue Parliament would mean the end of the Conservative Party as a serious party of government.”
- Amber Rudd: “I think it’s outrageous to consider proroguing Parliament. We are not Stuart kings.”
- Nicky Morgan: “Proroguing Parliament is clearly a mad suggestion. You cannot say you are going to take back control … and then go: ‘Oh, by the way, we are just going to shut Parliament down for a couple of months, so we are just going to drift out on a no deal’.”
Gove’s hints that the government may ignore legislation
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Originally Posted by silver fox
This "will of the people" you place so much stress on, reality, a very slender leave majority based entirely on a catalogue of lies and BS, personally I can find little signs of any truth in the entire Brexit campaign.
Don't recall any remainers committing murder in support of "the cause" you call that civilised?
Ah! You are not referring to the Joe Cox 'murder' are you? That is a Pandora's box that you do not want to open! There are so many anomalies associated with this so called 'murder' that it would take a genius to be able to explain them all and even then be convincing!
You will also find that if the vote for Remain or Leave had been confined to the UK alone - the Leave number would have been far in excess of the Remain number! The Remain numbers also include ex-pats who had been living in other countries for a number of years and who could only rely on the Remain biased media reports and who were completely unaware of the situation as it stood in the present times in the UK. Gibraltar voters were also included - a large number of whom are very wealthy people who are not affected by the EU, but who would also have been influenced by the same biased media.
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