brain dead toe curling childish shaming of our country

[thediscovolante]

the scenes at the closing of parliment the other night were shaming....whats wrong with these idiots....the man that threw himself of slimy bercow was astonishing......a complete clearout of all politicians is needed and a new system put in place....then the singing...oh dear god....imagine sitting in paris or berlin watching these scenes.....for the first time in my life i will pretend not to be british when abroad....

[Toodles McGinty]

I thought it was highly entertaining.

At least there was a bit of passion about it.

The tributes to Bercow earlier were a bit much, but I enjoyed watching the government's front bench squirming.

From what I've read, the government is a laughing stock in Paris and Berlin. And the rest of Europe.

And Johnson is seen as a dictator.

I doubt an opposition sing-song will make it any worse.

[bambi275]

And to think everyone called the Brexit party childish & disrespectful when they peacefully & silently turned their backs at the European parliament....

[jamyramy]

the scenes at the closing of parliment the other night were shaming....whats wrong with these idiots....the man that threw himself of slimy bercow was astonishing......a complete clearout of all politicians is needed and a new system put in place....then the singing...oh dear god....imagine sitting in paris or berlin watching these scenes.....for the first time in my life i will pretend not to be british when abroad....

trouble is these low lifes ,pretending to be high life and socially responsible personas more enlightened to the rest of us.living off our backs,are quite safe and cushty with their index linked wages and severances and pensions,regardless of their egoe and greed led personas behaviours .it matters not if they f..k up their still on the payroll. funny how its never them that the terrorists target its us, time that changed!! they don't give a f..k! pople across the country are really feeling the fallout of their behaviours.treasonous actions,and abuse of the trust placed in them!!their ,and I mean all parties are in utter contempt of the populace ,their entrusted with its care ,and our taxed strivings.they are shamefull people not worthy of our respect!!!!

[local]

A few verses of the red flag seemed apposite for the anti-democracy extremists.

Their big beef it seems is they were deprived of some days to further frustrate the will of the people, considering they have been doing it for 3 years complaining about a 4 day loss seems a tad pedantic.

Still the little treasures are playing right into Boris's hand and their pyrrhic victories will come back to haunt them.

The public will see who is stopping democracy so I say let them have their moments in the sun.

[PENTHOUSEJOE]

Will we ever see these extra funds?If the Tory’s get elected there will be an excuse why they don’t appear, if labour get elected will they follow the promise through? Just more pre election promises. As far as parliament are concerned we in the north west wear straw hats and crunch carrots and will believe what ever We are told by are local photo opportunities MP Damion tells us.

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trouble is these low lifes ,pretending to be high life and socially responsible personas more enlightened to the rest of us.living off our backs,are quite safe and cushty with their index linked wages and severances and pensions,regardless of their egoe and greed led personas behaviours .it matters not if they f..k up their still on the payroll. funny how its never them that the terrorists target its us, time that changed!! they don't give a f..k! pople across the country are really feeling the fallout of their behaviours.treasonous actions,and abuse of the trust placed in them!!their ,and I mean all parties are in utter contempt of the populace ,their entrusted with its care ,and our taxed strivings.they are shamefull people not worthy of our respect!!!!

Well said, Jamy - never a truer word!

[bensherman]

Although I am right behind the opposition to No Deal I also found their behaviour ridiculous.

But if you are talking about being embarrassed to be British, there are far more reasons to be.

Try travelling abroad and watch the behaviour of your compatriots.Loud, arrogant and xenophobic. No attempt to learn local language or customs. All gone up a level in the last three years.

And from abroad, what do you think is made of us appointing incompetent and deceitful toffs to our top jobs, like it was 100 years ago?

[Ceam]

Minor splash in a giant pool of embracing acts with in the U.K. government and population.

Decades before we get any respect from other countries no matter what happens now.

[seivad]

And to think everyone called the Brexit party childish & disrespectful when they peacefully & silently turned their backs at the European parliament....

I agree with you on that, Bambi. I thoroughly enjoy a spirited debate, even the insults both sides throw at each other can be amusing. I also supported legislation to block a no deal Brexit. However the exhibition at the closing of Parliament was cringeworthy. It's something I would expect to see in public demonstrations outside the house, not inside.

[said]

I agree with you on that, Bambi. I thoroughly enjoy a spirited debate, even the insults both sides throw at each other can be amusing. I also supported legislation to block a no deal Brexit. However the exhibition at the closing of Parliament was cringeworthy. It's something I would expect to see in public demonstrations outside the house, not inside.

What is blatantly obvious from the whole issue is that Parliament will have to change. No-one in Parliament should be there unless they have a degree in politics. They should not be elected head of any department unless they have specialised in the work of that department and they should all be made to sit an entrance exam for any position in Parliament. This would bring them into line with the private sector. As it is - it does not appear that those rebelling have got a clue what they are arguing for. They show total disrespect for the democracy of the country - yet they are so stupid that they do not realise that if it was not for democracy, they would not even have a job. Have they thought about the electorate who chose not to vote them in place? Would they be concerned if the electorate behaved in such a churlish manner over each of their elections? No - democracy is there when it suits them!

[seivad]

What is blatantly obvious from the whole issue is that Parliament will have to change. No-one in Parliament should be there unless they have a degree in politics. They should not be elected head of any department unless they have specialised in the work of that department and they should all be made to sit an entrance exam for any position in Parliament. This would bring them into line with the private sector.

I really don't think that it matters what MPs backgrounds are. However, cabinet ministers are another story, I agree with you on that. The problem you have in the UK, and we have the same problem in Canada, is that cabinet ministers are chosen from the governing party's MPs. One minute they are the Minister of Transport. The next minute they are the Minister of Health. They don't have the initial expertise and experience, and quite often are not in the position long enough to gain any knowledge before they are shuffled off to another cabinet position.

I much prefer the US system where the executive branch selects potential cabinet secretaries from outside the sphere of government. Ideally candidates are selected on the basis of their knowledge in the department they will head. I must add that the Orange One has selected them on the basis of who will agree with him, and flatter him daily. The ones that haven't have been booted out. But he's not the norm.

Once a candidate is selected, Congress and the Senate have to confirm his/her appointment. This involves a public grilling from both sides of the aisle, and it can be pretty brutal. A vote is then taken, and it's yes or no. Good system I think... or it used to be

As it is - it does not appear that those rebelling have got a clue what they are arguing for. They show total disrespect for the democracy of the country - yet they are so stupid that they do not realise that if it was not for democracy, they would not even have a job. Have they thought about the electorate who chose not to vote them in place? Would they be concerned if the electorate behaved in such a churlish manner over each of their elections? No - democracy is there when it suits them!

First let me point out that it was the end of the parliamentary session that I objected to, not the debate. The all singing all dancing let's jump on the speaker bit.

I disagree that the rebels don't know what they're arguing for. They don't want the country to leave without a deal, which, whether you accept it or not, will be chaotic. Sometimes the people have to be saved from themselves. That said, a large number of leavers are also against leaving without a deal.

Democracy is for the people, all of the people, not just the winners. There's a reason that Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition sits in Parliament. Minorities may not make the laws, but they are there to challenge them, not remain silent. That's the problem we're seeing today... "the people have spoken" seems to be a constant cry. The people in this context are those who voted to leave. Those who voted to remain are excluded and expected to sit quietly in the corner. That's not the way democracy works. Minorities are also the people, and are allowed a voice. As are their parliamentary representatives.

[Toodles McGinty]

What is blatantly obvious from the whole issue is that Parliament will have to change. No-one in Parliament should be there unless they have a degree in politics. They should not be elected head of any department unless they have specialised in the work of that department and they should all be made to sit an entrance exam for any position in Parliament. This would bring them into line with the private sector.

Bull $h!t.

Utter bull$h!t.

MPs should have a clue about the lives of ordinary people, not theoretical politics. And ordinary people have to have full suffrage. The private sector have sweet FA to do with politics, nor should they. Departmental expertise is carried out by the civil service. Perhaps to be a minister you should show a certain aptitude, otherwise you get an 'entrepreneur' in charge of the NHS, an infantile ballbag in charge of the Foreign Office or Chris Grayling in charge of anything.

While I wouldn't argue that some reform is necessary, the representation of the people by the people is the only acceptable way. If that means a butcher from Macclesfield or a window cleaner from Formby wants to stand up and represent his constituency, he can. Or somebody with a politics degree, if they want to.

A written constitution should be a priority, as interpretations of Erskine May combined with archaic laws and regulations doesn't quite cut the mustard.

But placing politics in the hands of an elite few is every kind of wrong. Look at the mess the Bullingdon Club have made of this country.

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I really don't think that it matters what MPs backgrounds are. However, cabinet ministers are another story, I agree with you on that. The problem you have in the UK, and we have the same problem in Canada, is that cabinet ministers are chosen from the governing party's MPs. One minute they are the Minister of Transport. The next minute they are the Minister of Health. They don't have the initial expertise and experience, and quite often are not in the position long enough to gain any knowledge before they are shuffled off to another cabinet position.

I much prefer the US system where the executive branch selects potential cabinet secretaries from outside the sphere of government. Ideally candidates are selected on the basis of their knowledge in the department they will head. I must add that the Orange One has selected them on the basis of who will agree with him, and flatter him daily. The ones that haven't have been booted out. But he's not the norm.

Once a candidate is selected, Congress and the Senate have to confirm his/her appointment. This involves a public grilling from both sides of the aisle, and it can be pretty brutal. A vote is then taken, and it's yes or no. Good system I think... or it used to be


First let me point out that it was the end of the parliamentary session that I objected to, not the debate. The all singing all dancing let's jump on the speaker bit.

I disagree that the rebels don't know what they're arguing for. They don't want the country to leave without a deal, which, whether you accept it or not, will be chaotic. Sometimes the people have to be saved from themselves. That said, a large number of leavers are also against leaving without a deal.

Democracy is for the people, all of the people, not just the winners. There's a reason that Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition sits in Parliament. Minorities may not make the laws, but they are there to challenge them, not remain silent. That's the problem we're seeing today... "the people have spoken" seems to be a constant cry. The people in this context are those who voted to leave. Those who voted to remain are excluded and expected to sit quietly in the corner. That's not the way democracy works. Minorities are also the people, and are allowed a voice. As are their parliamentary representatives.

That is the tradition of the country as we have always accepted it. You cannot pick and choose which parts of democracy you want to suit your own agenda - it does not work that way. If these rebels seek to oppose the traditions of the country, if they change the people's rights - then the UK is no longer a democracy. There are a few hundred MP's who oppose their own leader. What if all those MP's claiming to be supporting the people, are in the pay of the EU? I am not saying that they are - but this is a situation which could happen if we do not keep to our traditions. Those who voted in the referendum were all British citizens, fully aware of the voting system and what it stands for, they had their say in that referendum! There should have been no argument they should accept the result - hell imagine this same farce every time there was a general election! When it was put to the people to join the EEC, the majority won! There were a huge number who did not want to join - but who followed the rules and took the result gracefully. Even when Heath admitted that he lied to the people about the EEC - they were angry but did not scream about it.

This present event could well mean the end of democracy in the UK as we know it, if those who oppose the result are allowed to overturn it. They won't - but they are trying everything they can! People vote for what they see is right! The majority of those people win the vote! Everyone in the country has to accept it! What we go on having two, three, a dozen referendums?? How ridiculous would that be! The Brexit supporters are fighting for that democracy - that is the whole point.

You are in Canada - you can only go by the media - so I know it is more difficult to follow the issue. I have several acquaintances in Canada - and as they see it, they are saying a second referendum should be called. I am not surprised - they may be highly educated people but they do not follow British democracy had they have done so - they would have realised the futility of doing that. First of all it breaks with British tradition, secondly it would not have been justifiable - other countries were also involved in the referendum, as were ex-patriots who have left the UK, and if the vote was even more positive for Brexit - what then? Would the Remain supporters still whinge and say 'Unfair!unfair! Let's make it the best of three!"

The problem is not the traditions of the UK which have been exercised for hundreds of years - the problem is the Nanny State which the UK has become. Where people will not take responsiblity for their own actions - they expect a nanny to come and make it better for them.

[Toodles McGinty]

What if all those MP's claiming to be supporting the people, are in the pay of the EU?

Like Farage and the Brexit (Company Limited) MEPs?