Nigel Farage at Southport last night

[Alikado]

Sherlock work out what might happen, get some help if you need it.

Prices go up, wages go up, inflation goes up, mortgages go up........

[Toodles McGinty]

Originally Posted by local
That is Sherlock because the other huge orange growing regions of the world are at a tremendous 16% disadvantage in the market which for the I'm alright jack brigade doesn't matter but for the poor it does.

Oranges have quite complex tariffs. The EU protects it's own growers, as well they should. Depending on the time of year, the tariffs can be:

April — 10.4% (of the price) + €71 per tonne
first half of May — 4.8% + €71 per tonne
second half of May — 3.2% + €71 per tonne
June to mid-October — 3.2%
mid-October to end of November — 16%
December to March — 16% + €71 per tonne

The EU does also have particular rules to protect LDCs - Least Developed Countries. And EBAs - Everything But Arms.

"Of these LDCs, there are currently 33 in Africa - most of the countries on the continent. These "are low-income countries confronting severe structural impediments to sustainable development".

If it's not a weapon or ammunition, and it is made or grown in one of the countries concerned, it has duty-free access to the EU. If the product is from Ethiopia, Uganda or Malawi, for example, there would be no tariffs.

I guess the EU aren't one of the 'I'm alright Jack' brigade. Do your homework before throwing the term 'Sherlock' around.

*Dribble dribble. Knuckledrag.*

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Oranges have quite complex tariffs. The EU protects it's own growers, as well they should. Depending on the time of year, the tariffs can be:

April — 10.4% (of the price) + €71 per tonne
first half of May — 4.8% + €71 per tonne
second half of May — 3.2% + €71 per tonne
June to mid-October — 3.2%
mid-October to end of November — 16%
December to March — 16% + €71 per tonne

The EU does also have particular rules to protect LDCs - Least Developed Countries. And EBAs - Everything But Arms.

"Of these LDCs, there are currently 33 in Africa - most of the countries on the continent. These "are low-income countries confronting severe structural impediments to sustainable development".

If it's not a weapon or ammunition, and it is made or grown in one of the countries concerned, it has duty-free access to the EU. If the product is from Ethiopia, Uganda or Malawi, for example, there would be no tariffs.

I guess the EU aren't one of the 'I'm alright Jack' brigade. Do your homework before throwing the term 'Sherlock' around.

*Dribble dribble. Knuckledrag.*

Yeah! So long as it is not arms or ammunition? Couldn't have competition to Germany could we? They were sure fast enough to sell arms illegally in the Gulf States - with the blessing of the EU commission! Point one - Germany breached the post war agreement in not manufacturing or marketing arms. point two - Germany sold arms to the Gulf states without having discovered who the final recipient would be - illegal! This is illegal because it was stipulated by International law, that if a country sold arms to another country, and did not know who the final recipient would be - it would not know if those same arms would be used against them.

The LDC's are protected under WTO regulations to ensure that these countries obtain free trade across the World. They also receive overseas aid from China, Russia, USA etc., as well as from Europe.

Next train to London is at 9.30pm - you can catch it if you hurry! You will find your soap box at the back end of Hyde Park! Good Luck!

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So oranges from Spain will be going up 16%.

Then we will purchase oranges cheaper from another country! Won't we?

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The Brexiteers just won't accept the entire tariff system. No matter how many times it's been explained, no matter how many links to government sites you post.

We're going to do trade deals. And that's that. Regardless of the fact they take years to negotiate. No matter how intricate they are, and how tariffs can damage our own manufacturers, they just pretend they don't exist. It doesn't match the 'Global Britain striking out on our own' daydream. And now we've got Fat Al going to Brussels 'like the Incredible Hulk'. So no worries there, then.

There are more than fifteen trade deals completed and waiting to begin! But we have to leave the EU first and there are a number of stupid people with silly ideas standing in our way!

Tariff's go both ways - the EU will have to be careful not to burn its fingers!

[local]

Oranges have quite complex tariffs. The EU protects it's own growers, as well they should. Depending on the time of year, the tariffs can be:

April — 10.4% (of the price) + €71 per tonne
first half of May — 4.8% + €71 per tonne
second half of May — 3.2% + €71 per tonne
June to mid-October — 3.2%
mid-October to end of November — 16%
December to March — 16% + €71 per tonne

The EU does also have particular rules to protect LDCs - Least Developed Countries. And EBAs - Everything But Arms.

"Of these LDCs, there are currently 33 in Africa - most of the countries on the continent. These "are low-income countries confronting severe structural impediments to sustainable development".

If it's not a weapon or ammunition, and it is made or grown in one of the countries concerned, it has duty-free access to the EU. If the product is from Ethiopia, Uganda or Malawi, for example, there would be no tariffs.

I guess the EU aren't one of the 'I'm alright Jack' brigade. Do your homework before throwing the term 'Sherlock' around.

*Dribble dribble. Knuckledrag.*

I do love a bit of hypocrisy, waffle waffle, tariffs, doom gloom Brexit disaster.

Then we have a tariff breakdown which apparently is all fine if the EU determines "your on the list"

It must bring great comfort to our poor that the I'm alright Jack brigade have let a few minor producers export to them.

Still the EU has such a good record with taxpayers money.

Oh and we know how careful they are about fraud,

EU bleeding untold billions to fraud

https://euobserver.com/economic/143877


Poor attempt Watson.

Wear some gloves, your knuckles must be through to the bones by now trying to defend the indefensible.

[Toodles McGinty]

I do love a bit of hypocrisy, waffle waffle, tariffs, doom gloom Brexit disaster.

Then we have a tariff breakdown which apparently is all fine if the EU determines "your on the list"

It must bring great comfort to our poor that the I'm alright Jack brigade have let a few minor producers export to them.

Still the EU has such a good record with taxpayers money.

Oh and we know how careful they are about fraud,

EU bleeding untold billions to fraud

https://euobserver.com/economic/143877


Poor attempt Watson.

Wear some gloves, your knuckles must be through to the bones by now trying to defend the indefensible.

The EU protects its interests and its members. It isn't UNICEF or Pudsey Bear. So yes, it is great if 'you're on the list'. It's a political and trading union, not the Boy Scout movement.

Yet when Brexiteers claim to be able to get cheaper better deals, they aren't being 'I'm Alright Jack'? What are they going to say to 'our poor', do you think?

But hey, when we Leave the EU we can get the cheapest goods around - and Heal The World! To use one of your words: 'Bollox'.

And Brexiteers claim the EU are being mean because they aren't particularly interested in making everything a whole lot better when we leave their club. Well boo-hoo. They are interested in their members, not idiots with a Hitler wannabe, and a fat bloke closer to the insurance dog than Winston Churchill, leading them.

As for the rest of the post, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout.

[local]

The EU protects its interests and its members. It isn't UNICEF or Pudsey Bear. So yes, it is great if 'you're on the list'. It's a political and trading union, not the Boy Scout movement.

Yet when Brexiteers claim to be able to get cheaper better deals, they aren't being 'I'm Alright Jack'? What are they going to say to 'our poor', do you think?

But hey, when we Leave the EU we can get the cheapest goods around - and Heal The World! To use one of your words: 'Bollox'.

And Brexiteers claim the EU are being mean because they aren't particularly interested in making everything a whole lot better when we leave their club. Well boo-hoo. They are interested in their members, not idiots with a Hitler wannabe, and a fat bloke closer to the insurance dog than Winston Churchill, leading them.

As for the rest of the post, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout.

I have to admit to pinching the bollox thing off Jo Swindle.


I am glad its you who have got us round to Hitler, Godwin will be pleased, didn't he say whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress ?


Your mention of Churchill is quite interesting though he had a very rocky start.

Hmm I have something on the bookshelf about him, I should read if I could just get my knuckles off the floor to pick it up.

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The EU protects its interests and its members. It isn't UNICEF or Pudsey Bear. So yes, it is great if 'you're on the list'. It's a political and trading union, not the Boy Scout movement.

Yet when Brexiteers claim to be able to get cheaper better deals, they aren't being 'I'm Alright Jack'? What are they going to say to 'our poor', do you think?

But hey, when we Leave the EU we can get the cheapest goods around - and Heal The World! To use one of your words: 'Bollox'.

And Brexiteers claim the EU are being mean because they aren't particularly interested in making everything a whole lot better when we leave their club. Well boo-hoo. They are interested in their members, not idiots with a Hitler wannabe, and a fat bloke closer to the insurance dog than Winston Churchill, leading them.

As for the rest of the post, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout.

Has it not occurred to you that any creditable organisation or club, would have immediately employed an organised set plan for a country leaving their union - that they would have had contingency plans in place for such an issue? Does that not seem odd to you in view of the fact that you say the almighty EU is beyond all question that they did not? What kind of - or lack of - professionalism does that reflect? If you were to give you notice in at work, how would you feel if your employer said "Just a minute, we need to agree over this"? Really a bit stupid isn't it? A massive organisation like the EU - with hundreds of associated agencies, legal departments etc., could not deal with a country opting out! If nothing else, among all the information given to you - surely this alone would create doubt in even a child's mind.

[Desert Region]

They are interested in their members, not idiots with a Hitler wannabe, and a fat bloke closer to the insurance dog than Winston Churchill, leading them.

That's quite the achievement, isn't it?

To liken someone to Hitler, while simultaneously fat-shaming that same someone.

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And, at the same time, also compare that same someone to a dog.


Or are you talking about two people?

One whom you're comparing to Hitler; the other whom you're fat-shaming while also comparing to a large dog?

Both of whom, you also say, preside over idiots!


Forgive my struggle to disentangle the concentration of cheap insults packed into one sentence .

[local]

Prices go up, wages go up, inflation goes up, mortgages go up........

I don't know who helped but you think having a greater number of suppliers of oranges all competing for sales will lead to,
wages going up ?
inflation going up ?
and mortgages to ?

makes me suspect you didn't look for the sharpest pencil in the box.

There is also the variable that people might just go and eat other fruits.

Methinks you didn't get very good help.

[local]

That's quite the achievement, isn't it?

To liken someone to Hitler, while simultaneously fat-shaming that same someone.

.


And, at the same time, also compare that same someone to a dog.


Or are you talking about two people?

One whom you're comparing to Hitler; the other whom you're fat-shaming while also comparing to a large dog?

Both of whom, you also say, preside over idiots!


Forgive my struggle to disentangle the concentration of cheap insults packed into one sentence .

The foul mouthed one gets special dispensation for that .

[Toodles McGinty]

That's quite the achievement, isn't it?

To liken someone to Hitler, while simultaneously fat-shaming that same someone.

.


And, at the same time, also compare that same someone to a dog.


Or are you talking about two people?

One whom you're comparing to Hitler; the other whom you're fat-shaming while also comparing to a large dog?

Both of whom, you also say, preside over idiots!


Forgive my struggle to disentangle the concentration of cheap insults packed into one sentence .

No problem, I'm sure you'll manage it.

How on earth do you manage to read a newspaper if your sensibilities are so easily offended? I mean, just in the past few weeks I've seen Johnson depicted as a bloated buttock-face, a bloated baby, Jabba the Hutt, a slug, a fat cowardly lion, a bloated slug, and the 'bottom' to Trump's 'top', a bloated thieving squid, a prostitute, a dog and much more. Those are just visual depictions, never mind descriptions of him.

Similarly, I've seen Farage as a slug, a frog, a frog having sex with Trump, a drunk, a duck, beer slops, a neo-Nazi... I could go on.

Will you be writing to the Guardian, the Telegraph, the Mirror, the New Statesman, the Scotsman and more to register your displeasure and offence at the fat shaming, the insults, the distaste of these depictions?

I haven't even started on the written descriptions, but I'm sure, going off the cartoons, you can imagine the offending words.

In the spirit of fairness, can I also assume you'll be writing to Boris Johnson to berate him for calling people 'piccannies', 'letter boxes', 'bum boys', using racist terms to describe Barack Obama, making glib remarks about dead bodies in Libya, reciting colonial era poems in Myanmar, boasting about whiskey in a Sikh temple, suggesting the Turkish president commits bestiality with goats, insulting the entire city of Liverpool, insulting the entire country of Papua New Guinea, claiming money investigating child abuse is like 'spaffing up a wall', calling the French 'turds' who 'shafted Britain', said '**** the families' of the 7/7 bombings, calling Hilary Clinton a 'sadistic mental nurse', describing Black American basketball players as having "arms hanging below their knees and tongues sticking out".

There are quite a few more. I could list Farage's insults too, plus all those depictions and descriptions of remain politicians, which in the interests of fairness, I'm sure you'd be equally as determined to defend against slurs, wouldn't you? I'm certain you are mightily offended when Corbyn was depicted as a jelly fish. Right?

When you've written those many, many letters and emails, please do get back to me, as I'd love to read the responses. Then I might consider that my words were misjudged.

[Toodles McGinty]

The foul mouthed one gets special dispensation for that .

Aww, do you think you've got a friend? Bless you.

Or in the interests of being 'foul mouthed', f*(k you.

[silver fox]

I don't know who helped but you think having a greater number of suppliers of oranges all competing for sales will lead to,
wages going up ?
inflation going up ?
and mortgages to ?

makes me suspect you didn't look for the sharpest pencil in the box.

There is also the variable that people might just go and eat other fruits.

Methinks you didn't get very good help.

Whatever makes you think the price of oranges will have the slightest effect on overall prices? Look to the more essential supplies to manufacturers, many UK producers rely on imported materials in order to produce, that's where import duties/delays in delivery will come into play.

Then of course we have the standard Tory mantra of buying from the cheapest supplier irrespective of consequences, that is all very well as far as it goes, but in order to buy all these cheap goodies we need to earn, we already have a massive discrepancy between imports and exports, priority must be to reduce that, not increase it.