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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Imo the best investment you can make would be a boiler stove, to run your radiators and provide hot water.
    Maybe in the UK, but that's not the case in all countries. In North America gas forced air is the predominant heating system.

    No need to chuck out the old gas boiler either - simply leave it plumbed in to your heating system as a backup. Such a pity that so many households are stuck in the past with only fossil-fuelled (gas) central heating and other planet-warming appliances reliant on non-renewable fuels.
    I don't know what size your house is, but with 3,680 square' to heat, we would freeze to death in Winter if we relied on a wood stove.




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    At least your car gets an M.O.T each year to check emissions the only way these ghastly things are monitored is by the downwind neighbours washing and childrens asthma spikes.


    https://www.verywellhealth.com/the-h...-stoves-914956

    Quoting 80% efficiency for wood burning stoves is like quoting MPG for a warmed up VW car going downhill on a nice day with the wind behind it.


    If the frackers slashed millions of acres of forest down to get to the gas the faux green lobby would be pushing their pink boats across the turf at Buckingham Palace.



    electricity-from-trees-dirtier-than-coal


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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    At least your car gets an M.O.T each year to check emissions the only way these ghastly things are monitored is by the downwind neighbours washing and childrens asthma spikes.....Quoting 80% efficiency for wood burning stoves is like quoting MPG for a warmed up VW car going downhill on a nice day with the wind behind it.
    If Defra/local Councils approve a stove for use in smoke control areas (smokeless zones) it's good enough for me. Users with older dirty solid fuel appliances should be required to update to Defra approved models.....A move I'd support 100%, with added advantage it would be very good for business!

    Meanwhile, millions of pollution-emitting vehicles continue to be allowed into most of our towns and cities. Time is right for mandatory low-emission zones to be imposed in all urban centres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    I don't know what size your house is, but with 3,680 square' to heat, we would freeze to death in Winter if we relied on a wood stove.
    A typical stove (5kw to 7kw output) is more than adequate for the average UK semi-detached. It's not unusual to need to leave a door/s into hall open, to let some of the heat escape - which then helps warm the upstairs area......Homeowners with woodstoves invariably swear by them!
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    Smile

    It seems you have buried your head for money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    It seems you have buried your head for money.
    Well, we all need to make a crust. So why not trade in field/s that make a positive difference re the environmental crisis the planet is in?

    By helping people move over to a sustainable fuel source for heating their homes, CO2 output is reduced.....Not to forget providing low-cost transport opportunities for low-incomers, etc. By rescuing unwanted bikes, getting them back into use once refurbished at an affordable price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Well, we all need to make a crust. So why not trade in field/s that make a positive difference re the environmental crisis the planet is in?

    By helping people move over to a sustainable fuel source for heating their homes, CO2 output is reduced.....Not to forget providing low-cost transport opportunities for low-incomers, etc. By rescuing unwanted bikes, getting them back into use once refurbished at an affordable price.

    Oh it certainly makes a difference to the environment it makes it a lot dirtier.

    How it can be sustainable when it involves cutting down forests and destroying habitats is beyond most peoples thinking.

    Never mind the health concerns.


    Fixing up the bikes seems a more reasonable contribution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    A) Oh it certainly makes a difference to the environment it makes it a lot dirtier.

    B) How it can be sustainable when it involves cutting down forests and destroying habitats is beyond most peoples thinking. Never mind the health concerns......Fixing up the bikes seems a more reasonable contribution.
    A) Burning coal produces soot, as does driving diesel cars, e.g. the recent VW 'smoking tailpipe' scandal. Coal is to be phased out anyway, so less soot from fires in future. But more needs to be done to speed up switch to electric cars, e.g. Govt subsidies to bring down prices. Get money for this, via a pollution surtax on piston-engined cars.

    B) Forests in the tropics are sadly being destroyed for palm oil production and cattle ranching, not for log production.....Logs come from 'tree farms' e.g. Forestry Commission plantations. Trees are felled after 40 years and new ones planted. It's a continuous renewable cycle, so no net increase in global CO2. Pine forests harbour very little wildlife, so few worries there either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Pine forests harbour very little wildlife, so few worries there either.
    WHAT!

    Maybe not in your little bubble, but step outside to the countries you import softwood from, and take a look at the wildlife in their pine forests.

    Where we live we are surrounded by forests. A large number of them are pine. They are teaming with wildlife: white tailed deer, elk, moose, black bears, pine martens, foxes, squirrels, chipmunks, porcupines, raccoons, coyotes etc. Then there are the birds, which are too numerous to mention.

    I believe that you import your softwood from Sweden/Finland/Baltic countries. Their forests will also be home to a large number of wildlife. When you think pine forests, don't think Formby and Ainsdale!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    B) Forests in the tropics are sadly being destroyed for palm oil production and cattle ranching,
    And forests in North America are being destroyed to produce biomass for the deluded Europeans who thought it would help them reach their renewable energy targets.

    Wood pellets were supposed to be produced from forestry waste, which I wholeheartedly supported. But that's not what is happening, and not just in the US, it's happening here too. Chasing the almighty dollar always trumps principles. Grrrrrrrr

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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    Where we live we are surrounded by forests. A large number of them are pine. They are teaming with wildlife: white tailed deer, elk, moose, black bears, pine martens, foxes, squirrels, chipmunks, porcupines, raccoons, coyotes etc.
    Jeez. I'd be scared to go out. A spider landed on my head yesterday and I needed a damp cloth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    A typical stove (5kw to 7kw output) is more than adequate for the average UK semi-detached. It's not unusual to need to leave a door/s into hall open, to let some of the heat escape - which then helps warm the upstairs area......Homeowners with woodstoves invariably swear by them!
    Yeah, that's true ...

    in my experience, it's "move out the way of the fire willya ... I'm bleedin freezin!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    WHAT!

    Maybe not in your little bubble, but step outside to the countries you import softwood from, and take a look at the wildlife in their pine forests.

    I believe that you import your softwood from Sweden/Finland/Baltic countries. Their forests will also be home to a large number of wildlife. When you think pine forests, don't think Formby and Ainsdale!
    I understand pine plantations are unable to support grey squirrels. Apparently the energy a grey requires to collect/use pineseed, is greater than the energy they gain from eating them. So am surprised yours manage to get by tbh.

    There is also very little undergrowth/animal foodstuff in a typical pine plantation, compared to say a tropical forest or established deciduous woodland. Not much sunlight reaches the ground either, which is always covered with a continuous mat of pine needles, making it very unattractive to most animals.

    I guess in a natural pine area, the trees are more sporadic and spread further apart, so light can get in and clearings will exist. Fallen timber will lie and rot down too, creating further habitat - unlike a managed plantation. So conditions will exist for scrub/grasses and other flora to take hold, which will attract rodents, foxes, deer etc.
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