Do you subscribe to Political Correctness.

[said]

Do you agree with Political Correctness


Is Political Correctness a good thing in Society – do you agreewith it? The phrase 'politically correct was used to describe strictadherence to a range of ideological orthodoxies within politics, inthe early twenties of the last century. It is argued that it'sorigins began at the Frankfurt School in Germany, and is based onMarxist views. Later it became to represent both Marxist andLeninism views, promoted by German communists. Even Hitler used the concept.


It was thought by some that to allow society to progress fromWestern to Communism ideology, western civilisation must bedestroyed. By undermining a society reducing their rights, so makingthem become repressed, and emphasising the rights of minor groups,making them become weakened. To separate society. The way that thiswas decided - was to change thought and speech patterns, and spreadthe idea that vocalising your beliefs is disrespectful to others andmust be avoided. Stifle any dissenting conversation that promoteslogic. This movement was not called The Marxist Movement for fear ofpeople turning away, It was first known as Research Development andeventually Political Correctness.


I believe that Political Correctness does act to repress everyone,including minority groups. Minority groups may be protected by theThought Police – but they themselves have to be careful what theysay about others. Political Correctness will take a generation toclear tainted ideas. It is far better to promote a free, happysociety, responsibility and socially acceptable attitudes as opposedto such a repressed society. I am not a communist and I do notsubscribe to Marxism.

[AdmiralAckbar]

I don't know so much about my political correctness, but I have always been adept at spotting patterns.

Looking at your post, I noticed several "missed spaces" at regular intervals ... this is usually consistent with cut and pasted text and subsequent losing the format given by the "line feed" character which takes the text onto the next line.

With those "line feed"'s converted into "carriage returns", your post looks like the following ...

Is Political Correctness a good thing in Society – do you agree
with it? The phrase 'politically correct was used to describe strict
adherence to a range of ideological orthodoxies within politics, in
the early twenties of the last century. It is argued that it's
origins began at the Frankfurt School in Germany, and is based on
Marxist views. Later it became to represent both Marxist and
Leninism views, promoted by German communists. Even Hitler used the concept.


It was thought by some that to allow society to progress from
Western to Communism ideology, western civilisation must be
destroyed. By undermining a society reducing their rights, so making
them become repressed, and emphasising the rights of minor groups,
making them become weakened. To separate society. The way that this
was decided - was to change thought and speech patterns, and spread
the idea that vocalising your beliefs is disrespectful to others and
must be avoided. Stifle any dissenting conversation that promoteslogic.
This movement was not called The Marxist Movement for fear of
people turning away, It was first known as Research Development and
eventually Political Correctness.


I believe that Political Correctness does act to repress everyone,
including minority groups. Minority groups may be protected by the
Thought Police – but they themselves have to be careful what they
say about others. Political Correctness will take a generation to
clear tainted ideas. It is far better to promote a free, happy
society, responsibility and socially acceptable attitudes as opposed
to such a repressed society. I am not a communist and I do not
subscribe to Marxism.

Not that I have any problem at all with cut/pastes, and it is certainly not a crime to use that process, I was just wondering what the original source was - although you appear to personalise the post with a number of "I"'s in the last paragraph, it does seem, on the whole, plagiarised.

[Lamparilla]

I don't think it's a question of political correctness being used to stop people 'vocalising their beliefs', as the OP suggests.

If your beliefs are that white people are superior to non-whites, or that the role of women is subservient to that of men, and you use racist and sexist slurs in order to 'vocalise' those beliefs, then give me political correctness every time. 'Freedom of speech' comes with responsibility.

Where the phrase has fallen into disrepute is with the addition of 'gone mad', where certain examples of rather silly decisions by local councils (many of which have turned out to be fake news), usually seized on by the right-wing media, tend to tar all examples of such correctness with the same brush.

[Ceam]

I subscribe to not being an arse hole, Does that count?

[Alikado]

I don't think it's a question of political correctness being used to stop people 'vocalising their beliefs', as the OP suggests.

If your beliefs are that white people are superior to non-whites, or that the role of women is subservient to that of men, and you use racist and sexist slurs in order to 'vocalise' those beliefs, then give me political correctness every time. 'Freedom of speech' comes with responsibility.

Where the phrase has fallen into disrepute is with the addition of 'gone mad', where certain examples of rather silly decisions by local councils (many of which have turned out to be fake news), usually seized on by the right-wing media, tend to tar all examples of such correctness with the same brush.

That normally occurs when somebody doesn't know what they are doing so the default decision is ban everything to escape liability if something does go wrong.

[said]

There may be spaces because I had copied and pasted a completely different paragraph on another topic that I was going to start, just to remind me of some details. When I overran that area, the format of the previous topic remained. Even if I had used copy and pastes as many on here do, or whether it had been plagiarised as the media often do - it has no relevance.

The thread is on an important issue because it is obvious that some people have adopted communist ideals now without realising it. These methods have been practised in both Russia and in China.

I sought out several sites to read up on how political correctness started, and I found it interesting. No-one has to respond if they do not agree. Do I take it that your response illustrates an example of Political Correctness? Think about it - would you have given that response twenty years ago - or would it not have been important? Just after the last war, when soldiers returned home after having witnessed devastating tragedies, after having been subjected to great hardships and conditions - the soldiers would have told you just where to stick personal correctness! Now it would seem people have far too much time and live too soft a life to appreciate the freedoms that they have taken for granted. (Hell - I am beginning to sound like grand standing Hallam!)

As Bush said, we move from one set of prejudices to another.
(The word prejudices was cut and pasted to present correct spelling)

[seivad]

Think about it - would you have given that response twenty years ago - or would it not have been important? Just after the last war, when soldiers returned home after having witnessed devastating tragedies, after having been subjected to great hardships and conditions - the soldiers would have told you just where to stick personal correctness!

Is that so? My dad was one of those men, and my brother and I were brought up to respect and treat all people equally, regardless of creed, colour or social status. Pejoratives were not used in our house. The term "political correctness" was unheard of. Common decency towards your fellow man was not.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. These men were fighting against facism, not for it.

[AdmiralAckbar]

There may be spaces because I had copied and pasted a completely different paragraph on another topic that I was going to start, just to remind me of some details. When I overran that area, the format of the previous topic remained. Even if I had used copy and pastes as many on here do, or whether it had been plagiarised as the media often do - it has no relevance.

The thread is on an important issue because it is obvious that some people have adopted communist ideals now without realising it. These methods have been practised in both Russia and in China.

I sought out several sites to read up on how political correctness started, and I found it interesting. No-one has to respond if they do not agree. As Bush said, we move from one set of prejudices to another.
(The word prejudices was cut and pasted to present correct spelling)

It wasn't the spaces that were present, it was those spaces that were missing that caught my eye - they were everywhere, and formed a pattern (roughly the same amounts of characters in-between each occurrence) which suggested they were missing Line Feed characters off the end of lines from a copied piece of text ...

Do you agree with Political Correctness


Is Political Correctness a good thing in Society – do you agreewith it? The phrase 'politically correct was used to describe strictadherence to a range of ideological orthodoxies within politics, inthe early twenties of the last century. It is argued that it'sorigins began at the Frankfurt School in Germany, and is based onMarxist views. Later it became to represent both Marxist andLeninism views, promoted by German communists. Even Hitler used the concept.


It was thought by some that to allow society to progress fromWestern to Communism ideology, western civilisation must bedestroyed. By undermining a society reducing their rights, so makingthem become repressed, and emphasising the rights of minor groups,making them become weakened. To separate society. The way that thiswas decided - was to change thought and speech patterns, and spreadthe idea that vocalising your beliefs is disrespectful to others andmust be avoided. Stifle any dissenting conversation that promoteslogic. This movement was not called The Marxist Movement for fear ofpeople turning away, It was first known as Research Development andeventually Political Correctness.


I believe that Political Correctness does act to repress everyone,including minority groups. Minority groups may be protected by theThought Police – but they themselves have to be careful what theysay about others. Political Correctness will take a generation toclear tainted ideas. It is far better to promote a free, happysociety, responsibility and socially acceptable attitudes as opposedto such a repressed society. I am not a communist and I do notsubscribe to Marxism.

Although you do have a history of posting some questionable content, you do also create some interesting threads and this place would perhaps be a quieter place without them - I also said earlier that it's not a crime to cut/paste, but the format issues clearly justified and prompted my question about source.

It was never meant as a criticism, but more of a quirky observation that I was hoping you would enlighten us about.

[said]

I don't think it's a question of political correctness being used to stop people 'vocalising their beliefs', as the OP suggests.

If your beliefs are that white people are superior to non-whites, or that the role of women is subservient to that of men, and you use racist and sexist slurs in order to 'vocalise' those beliefs, then give me political correctness every time. 'Freedom of speech' comes with responsibility.

Where the phrase has fallen into disrepute is with the addition of 'gone mad', where certain examples of rather silly decisions by local councils (many of which have turned out to be fake news), usually seized on by the right-wing media, tend to tar all examples of such correctness with the same brush.

Ah! But where did this idea of white people being superior to non-whites come from? Long before PC I was mixing and socialising with foreign people of all nationalities - people's personalities are far more important than their colour or creed.
Where did Women are subservient to men come from? Long before Christianity and indeed among many religious faiths - there are female gods. I have never looked upon women as being less important than men. Men have a part to play in the world due to their biological abilities, women have an equal part to play in the world, but in different ways because of their biological make up. This has always been the way of life long before political correctness. Where PC demands that you should not call some one X, because it may hurt someone's feelings encourages a repressed society. It depends strongly on how people are exposed to these insults. I have been called every insulting name you can think of (and there are probably a lot more) did it bother me? No, because they were used in freedom of expression and in good humour. Only once did I take offence, and on that occasion it was meant to be offensive. Did I go running to the Police to say that I had been insulted? No, That would have incurred even more abuse and would have acted to prevent the Freedom of expression in others. One should learn to deal with it. Abuse one day could lead to friendship the next - but not if the issue is forced. No - the media and particularly television, are attempting to change society where it really does not need changing. The British people are a very tolerant society, we do not need Marxist ideals.
I agree with you - than in many instances, PC is taken to the most stupid extremes.

[said]

It wasn't the spaces that were present, it was those spaces that were missing that caught my eye - they were everywhere, and formed a pattern (roughly the same amounts of characters in-between each occurrence) which suggested they were missing Line Feed characters off the end of lines from a copied piece of text ...



Although you do have a history of posting some questionable content, you do also create some interesting threads and this place would perhaps be a quieter place without them - I also said earlier that it's not a crime to cut/paste, but the format issues clearly justified and prompted my question about source.

It was never meant as a criticism, but more of a quirky observation that I was hoping you would enlighten us about.

Yes. Well that/those facts were given very succinctly, and since I could not have written it better, I pasted in the terms used - saved me writing in a more elaborate way. The body of the writing is from past experiences, part knowledge, part thought, part supporting evidence.

Got that! I will take it as a masked compliment. I think my response to Lamparila explains the topic more. It would be interesting on what other people understand on this issue. I say that people were far happier before PC issues became so widespread, than they are now. I also claim that forcing such issues on people creates a very depressing atmosphere to the extent where some become so depressed with life they give up. Hence, why suicide is one of the most common causes of death in the UK

[Toodles McGinty]

I'm with Ceam on this one. I don't particularly subscribe to Political Correctness, mainly because it's used by arseholes, with the addition 'gone mad', to say what they like without consideration of others.

Unless you have the language skills of a rock, or are blindingly stupid, or a nasty arrogant piece of crap, it is entirely unnecessary to use racist, sexist, homophobic etc slurs. Completely unnecessary.

We all know which epithets should and shouldn't be used. As language evolves, those sometimes change. But still basic decency should reign. If common sense tells us someone might be offended, using 'freedom of speech' as an excuse is pathetic.

Society ticks over because we have a set of unspoken rules, as well as laws. A child has to learn those, as one might declare 'that man is ugly' or 'that woman is fat'. Kid doesn't know any better, but if brought up properly, a kid learns.

Of course, those who cry about 'freedom of speech' wouldn't walk up to a group of young black men and use a racial slur. They tend to consider the consequences if they are the one who might get hurt.

[Toodles McGinty]

say that people were far happier before PC issues became so widespread, than they are now. I also claim that forcing such issues on people creates a very depressing atmosphere to the extent where some become so depressed with life they give up. Hence, why suicide is one of the most common causes of death in the UK

People are committing suicide because they aren't allowed to be arseholes to other people?

Don't be ridiculous.

If that is true then maybe the world is better off without them then.

It also belittles the many complex problems that people suffer before taking their own life. I guarantee nobody ever committed suicide because they couldn't shout 'P**i' in Oldham town centre.

[said]

People are committing suicide because they aren't allowed to be arseholes to other people?

Don't be ridiculous.

If that is true then maybe the world is better off without them then.

It also belittles the many complex problems that people suffer before taking their own life. I guarantee nobody ever committed suicide because they couldn't shout 'P**i' in Oldham town centre.

No! You have got this concept wrong and you are submitting to the communist ideals in your response. People do not commit suicide because they are not allowed to offend - far from it! PC goes far beyond verbal repression. Imagine, going out to work everyday, six days of every week, where everything is PC - there are notices everywhere telling you what you should and should not do and the consequences of not complying, where you are told to constantly improve every single day. A person is made to feel less of a human and more of a robot every day pressure and more pressure, as a person you don't count. You return home to the family circle where everyone is PC, what you should do nor not, what you can do or not. More pressure. You are never free to enjoy life as life was intended. That is repressive! Continual repression leads to depression, depression can lead to suicide! Compare that to say forty years ago! Where you lived freely under normal societal policies. You knew right from wrong from childhood - you did not need to be told every day. You could go out to work, enjoy camaraderie i.e. jokes and bantering with work colleagues and that gave you more enthusiasm to get on with a days work, you did not need to be told everyday to improve and do better - you just did it. You arrive home to a loving family and are free to pursue whatever without being told what to do and how to do it. No pressure - no restrictions other than those you know to be right.

[Toodles McGinty]

No! You have got this concept wrong and you are submitting to the communist ideals in your response. People do not commit suicide because they are not allowed to offend - far from it! PC goes far beyond verbal repression. Imagine, going out to work everyday, six days of every week, where everything is PC - there are notices everywhere telling you what you should and should not do and the consequences of not complying, where you are told to constantly improve every single day. A person is made to feel less of a human and more of a robot every day pressure and more pressure, as a person you don't count. You return home to the family circle where everyone is PC, what you should do nor not, what you can do or not. More pressure. You are never free to enjoy life as life was intended. That is repressive! Continual repression leads to depression, depression can lead to suicide! Compare that to say forty years ago! Where you lived freely under normal societal policies. You knew right from wrong from childhood - you did not need to be told every day. You could go out to work, enjoy camaraderie i.e. jokes and bantering with work colleagues and that gave you more enthusiasm to get on with a days work, you did not need to be told everyday to improve and do better - you just did it. You arrive home to a loving family and are free to pursue whatever without being told what to do and how to do it. No pressure - no restrictions other than those you know to be right.

I don't know what Gulag you live and work in, but my life certainly isn't like that. I have a great time with colleagues. I have a home life that allows me to pursue whatever I want to do.

I don't feel any pressure from anyone. I felt more 40 years ago, as a teenager, than I ever do now.

I don't feel that society puts any constraints on me. I just live by the rule of treating others as I would wish to be treated. I don't see how societal policies have changed. There aren't notices everywhere. There aren't restrictions on me. The only big difference in the past 40 years has been the leap in technology, which I find endlessly fascinating and life improving.

Perhaps it's mental attitude that is the problem. Just because society doesn't allow people to act on the slightest impulse, it doesn't mean society is wrong. There are lots of inequalities in our society, but they are mainly from poor government. Not because you want to utter some selfish bull and get away with it.

[said]

I'm with Ceam on this one. I don't particularly subscribe to Political Correctness, mainly because it's used by arseholes, with the addition 'gone mad', to say what they like without consideration of others.

Unless you have the language skills of a rock, or are blindingly stupid, or a nasty arrogant piece of crap, it is entirely unnecessary to use racist, sexist, homophobic etc slurs. Completely unnecessary.

We all know which epithets should and shouldn't be used. As language evolves, those sometimes change. But still basic decency should reign. If common sense tells us someone might be offended, using 'freedom of speech' as an excuse is pathetic.

Society ticks over because we have a set of unspoken rules, as well as laws. A child has to learn those, as one might declare 'that man is ugly' or 'that woman is fat'. Kid doesn't know any better, but if brought up properly, a kid learns.

Of course, those who cry about 'freedom of speech' wouldn't walk up to a group of young black men and use a racial slur. They tend to consider the consequences if they are the one who might get hurt.

Don't you see? You are supporting PC, you are supporting communist ideals! You even make reference to the media propaganda -
"unnecessary to use racist, sexist, homophobic etc slurs." These words were never used twenty years ago- because people did not need them. The huge majority of people live in a tolerant, friendly society. You are making divisions among people. You say 'walk up to a group of young black men and make a racial slur..." Why would a group of black people be any different to a group of white people? You could issue abuse to either group. It is not abuse unless it is intended abuse. You are also referring to a 'racial' slur. What do you mean by that? I could walk up to both groups and say "You whitey, pale faced brothers should get your asses to work" or I could say, "You black faced brothers should get your asses to work" I am very confident that I would get a sarcastic response and told to "F...off" I do not believe for one moment that any one of them would go running to the Police and say they have been racially abused. I would like to think that people have not become so weak that they need their hand held in social gatherings. Do not think of the isolated incidents dramatised in the media - think of people in general. It is not society that has changed - but the media most definitely has, it is feeding PC.