Will of the people?

**Toodles McGinty** · 21/10/2019 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by said

The Polish people in Poland are mostly Catholics. They are pretty devout. They are happy, hardworking people - very friendly and keen to help tourists. Having said that, they are not very complimentary about their country folk who have moved to Europe and elsewhere. Indeed, when they have come over to the UK for a visit, they have nothing to do with them, but it is not because they feel superior to their own. This is because society in Poland has very high standards, locals are expected to closely follow Christianity and certain social rules. For instance, anyone caught with a small amount of illegal drugs is arrested immediately and given a prison sentence. There are also strict rules of drinking in Public and drunks face a pretty unpleasant time. Compare this to the UK - and the UK becomes a pretty attractive place to some. Compare also the percentage of Polish people in the UK to that of the prison community and you will find their is an over subscription of Polish people in our prisons. Under the free movement of people, Europeans were not subjected to strict border controls that those from outside the EU were subjected to. There were many drugs and weapons smuggled into the UK from across the Eastern borders.

Poland is a lovely clean country, where there is work available. True the wages are lower than the UK - but then the cost of living in Poland is far less than the UK. Polish people enjoy good work prospects, longer holidays and a good standard of life that rewards hard working people.

We have Polish business people in our own town. There are many stories that have been passed around for many years about these people, in particular, how they use their own nationals and how they abuse local people. I could not care less what I get called - but I am not going to embrace any foreign people who come here just to spit in my eye.

Ah, so only the BAD Poles come here. 821 of the estimated 1 million Poles are in UK prisons. The GOOD Poles stay at home. Riiiggght.

Except by those numbers, if our population ratio was the same, there would be what, 30-odd thousand less people in prison?

And how many foreign people have spat in your eye, exactly? They would if they knew what utter bollocks you spout about them.

Not taken long after your last ban to return to being a racist piece of crap has it?

**seivad** · 21/10/2019 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Little Londoner

Only last week Turkey, under the barrage of criticism over fighting the Kurds, declared that they could open the door for thousands upon thousands of Syrian refugees to enter Europe. I wonder where the popular choice of Country they would like to head to is ? Answers Anybody!

Germany.

**said** · 21/10/2019 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty

Of course it is the Scum. Piece of crap rag for piece of crap people.

It says the UK population will rise by 3 million in the next decade, not that 3 million EU immigrants will come here. Why on earth would they when there are threats to 'make life uncomfortable' by knuckle dragging morons.

The Scum:

7.2 million people will be born
6.4 million people will die
5.4 million people will immigrate long-term to the UK
3.3 million people will emigrate long-term from the UK

Nothing about EU citizens. But what do you expect from Scum readers? Some really intellectual arguments in the comments section:

Christ on a bike.

Ooooh! Christian profanities! Not nice!

The British Isles have among the smallest land mass of all European countries. Land mass is finite! It is not going to expand, if anything - it is like to shrink. There can only be a limited amount of space for people to live in these islands. The British white population is increasing without any immigration. In 1851, there were 87 people per km squared in the UK, just one hundred years later in 1951 - there were 205 people per km squared. It is expected that by 2051, there will be 546 people per km squared, due to immigration effects. The question is, does the UK give up all its farmland to allow more people houses to live in? How will the UK ever be self sufficient with food? Or should the UK stop all immigration? For how long does immigration continue? What happens when all the land in the UK is used up? Where will the immigrants be put then? It depends on the sustainability of the UK to the numbers.

However, it is more than likely that as in all crowded areas, there will be an increase in viruses and bacteria and that the UK will be subjected to another plague for which we will have no protection. Already medical doctor's are losing the battle against the mutation of certain viruses.

The huge majority of the people of the British Isles are white. It is not the white people who will lose their identity, it is the people who choose to settle in the UK who will lose theirs. By inter marriage, where gene studies have shown that the white pigment is more dominant than dark skin. Our climate and weather conditions. It can be readily seen that many darker skinned people have paled over the years that they have been in the UK, and also by wealth and social standing that give more longevity to white people. This is supported by the number of darker skinned people who invaded the UK on numerous occasions. Of those many decided to settle in the UK. But the British people still evolved from those times, to be white.

The number of immigrants to the UK has reduced but not because of Brexit, but because of increased limitations on welfare benefits and the fact that immigrants to the UK will be required to apply for citizenship which entails paying full UK taxes instead of the reduced taxes that non-citizens now pay.

So there you have it - Common sense versus PC!

**seivad** · 21/10/2019 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Lamparilla

So 'another 3 million on the way...' was a total lie. If that's the case, I'm surprised I haven't seen it written on the side of a bus

.

No doubt you've heard of selective hearing. Said suffers from selective reading. His mind translates a headline reading:

"UK population to increase by 3 million in next decade, mainly through migration"

To:

"Uk population to increase 3 million next week, mainly through EU migrants that are already on their way here"

**Toodles McGinty** · 21/10/2019 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by said

Ooooh! Christian profanities! Not nice!

The British Isles have among the smallest land mass of all European countries. Land mass is finite! It is not going to expand, if anything - it is like to shrink. There can only be a limited amount of space for people to live in these islands. The British white population is increasing without any immigration. In 1851, there were 87 people per km squared in the UK, just one hundred years later in 1951 - there were 205 people per km squared. It is expected that by 2051, there will be 546 people per km squared, due to immigration effects. The question is, does the UK give up all its farmland to allow more people houses to live in? How will the UK ever be self sufficient with food? Or should the UK stop all immigration? For how long does immigration continue? What happens when all the land in the UK is used up? Where will the immigrants be put then? It depends on the sustainability of the UK to the numbers.

However, it is more than likely that as in all crowded areas, there will be an increase in viruses and bacteria and that the UK will be subjected to another plague for which we will have no protection. Already medical doctor's are losing the battle against the mutation of certain viruses.

The huge majority of the people of the British Isles are white. It is not the white people who will lose their identity, it is the people who choose to settle in the UK who will lose theirs. By inter marriage, where gene studies have shown that the white pigment is more dominant than dark skin. Our climate and weather conditions. It can be readily seen that many darker skinned people have paled over the years that they have been in the UK, and also by wealth and social standing that give more longevity to white people. This is supported by the number of darker skinned people who invaded the UK on numerous occasions. Of those many decided to settle in the UK. But the British people still evolved from those times, to be white.

The number of immigrants to the UK has reduced but not because of Brexit, but because of increased limitations on welfare benefits and the fact that immigrants to the UK will be required to apply for citizenship which entails paying full UK taxes instead of the reduced taxes that non-citizens now pay.

So there you have it - Common sense versus PC!

You've written some utter bull on here. But that is just about the biggest mountain of $h!t I've ever read.

**local** · 21/10/2019 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by the nomad

So the Conservative government has had under Theresa May three votes on the same “deal” with the EU and each time it has been rejected in the House of Commons, and now the government led by Johnson had tried to get their “deal” with the EU and which was democratically rejected last Saturday at a special sitting in the HoC, presented again. Speaker Bercow, has rightly rejected this.

Curious that the Conservative government can have as many votes as they like on a deal with the EU, yet the general public are denied a second vote on any deal the government is likely to come up with. And they call this democracy! It’s seems as if it’s democracy when it suits.
And as for “will of the people” its more like the will of big business being masqueraded as the will of the people. All this talk of fantastic “trade deals” will ultimately only benefit one group of people and that will not be you and me!
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The government trying to enact the will of the people can hardly be compared to a call for peoples votes to be stolen and destroyed.

The Government trying to keep their promise to the people against a tide of anti-democracy extremists is indeed a struggle but a worthy one,

enabling theft isn't.

**said** · 21/10/2019 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty

Ah, so only the BAD Poles come here. 821 of the estimated 1 million Poles are in UK prisons. The GOOD Poles stay at home. Riiiggght.

Except by those numbers, if our population ratio was the same, there would be what, 30-odd thousand less people in prison?

And how many foreign people have spat in your eye, exactly? They would if they knew what utter bollocks you spout about them.

Not taken long after your last ban to return to being a racist piece of crap has it?

You really are on a high tonight! Are your conversations only limited to those on the internet? Do you not travel much? I have told you that which was told to me in conversation by a Polish person in Poland.

Do you believe that you are in some way superior to me? Now define 'racist' , why you constantly and inaccurately use the term, and exactly what you mean by it. Is it PC to use profanities? or can that be classed as cyber bullying?

**said** · 21/10/2019 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by local

The government trying to enact the will of the people can hardly be compared to a call for peoples votes to be stolen and destroyed.

The Government trying to keep their promise to the people against a tide of anti-democracy extremists is indeed a struggle but a worthy one,

enabling theft isn't.

So does that mean that you accept the new agreement unreservedly? Do you not feel that this is a repeat of the Irish agreement that the Irish rejected, which was also subjected to changes and delays until the Irish people got so fed up they just accepted it?

**said** · 21/10/2019 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty

You've written some utter bull on here. But that is just about the biggest mountain of $h!t I've ever read.

Ha!Ha! You mean that it is an improvement on the last 'biggest mountain of ***** you ever read' from the previous occasion'? Jolly good! I must be getting somewhere.

**Ceam** · 21/10/2019 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Little Londoner

Only last week Turkey, under the barrage of criticism over fighting the Kurds, declared that they could open the door for thousands upon thousands of Syrian refugees to enter Europe. I wonder where the popular choice of Country they would like to head to is ? Answers Anybody!

So tell me exactly has that got to do with us being in the E.U. Did Turkey sign up recently and I didn't know about it?

Or are we talking about none E.U. citizens being refugees in the U.K. etc? Which as far as I know isn't going to change.

**Ceam** · 21/10/2019 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by said

Ooooh! Christian profanities! Not nice!

Lamparilla · 22/10/2019 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by said

We have Polish business people in our own town. There are many stories that have been passed around for many years about these people, in particular, how they use their own nationals and how they abuse local people. I could not care less what I get called - but I am not going to embrace any foreign people who come here just to spit in my eye.

So where is that?

Southport?
Chester?
or perhaps Pyongyang?

**Little Londoner** · 22/10/2019 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Ceam

So tell me exactly has that got to do with us being in the E.U. Did Turkey sign up recently and I didn't know about it?

Or are we talking about none E.U. citizens being refugees in the U.K. etc? Which as far as I know isn't going to change.

Doesn't take much imagination does it? I know Turkey are not in the EU but there is nothing at all to stop them transferring the Syrian refugees to the EU Border and waving goodbye to them as they disappear into the Land of Promise probably heading for Calais.

You can work a 3D printer but couldn't fathom that out?? surprising. We are still in the EU hopefully not for long.

Lamparilla · 22/10/2019 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Little Londoner

Doesn't take much imagination does it? I know Turkey are not in the EU but there is nothing at all to stop them transferring the Syrian refugees to the EU Border and waving goodbye to them as they disappear into the Land of Promise probably heading for Calais.

You can work a 3D printer but couldn't fathom that out?? surprising. We are still in the EU hopefully not for long.

Whether the UK accepts Syrian refugees or not has nothing to do with EU membership.

The EU couldn't sign a treaty like this (and impose it on member states) because the EU is not a country.

The UK is a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention, signed long before we joined the EU, so if anyone thought that by voting 'leave' we were not going to have to accept our share of refugees (probably based on the photo of Farage standing in front of a poster showing long lines of refugees), then they're going to be disappointed.

**silver fox** · 22/10/2019 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Lamparilla

Whether the UK accepts Syrian refugees or not has nothing to do with EU membership.

We are signatories to the 1951 Refugee Convention, signed long before we joined the EU.

You can't post that, don't you know there was no immigration legal or illegal before we joined the EU

When will Brexiteers ever get it through their head, we are not party to Schengen, in or out of the EU, the situation as regards non EU immigration and/or refugees will remain exactly the same.

So many are not only barking up the wrong tree, they're in the wrong forest.

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