Diesel and Petrol cars banned by 2040.

[The PNP]

A) Our resident faux green hypocrite preaches green but lives the opposite from running old dirty diesel vans

B) to destroying trees and wildlife to supporting the environmentally corrupt EU.

A) One of ours is actually petrol! Naturally I'd prefer to get rid and go all-electric tomorrow, but the figures simply don't stack up. To wring an extra £50k profit out of the business annually to pay for electric vehicles is impossible. It would mean raising prices way up, to a point where we'd be non-competitive......You'd be looking at well over £2k for a complete installation inc the 5kw stove and liner, as opposed to just £1250 all-in.

B) As I always point out to you, that's absolute nonsense. Running a woodstove is carbon-neutral, whereas burning fossil fuels for heating (as you do) is not. Also, by helping to create a demand for logs, forestry is given the confidence to plant more acreage, knowing there will be a market for their product down the line.

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You will be using Mobility scooters by 2040,instead of petrol and diesel powered vehicles,but I won't be using one,as I am 61 now,and that would make me 101 by that time,if I live that long.......

Now that is a really good idea! Considering that most drivers on the roads are lone occupants in a vehicle. Think of those college kids about to learn to drive - ' I am not driving one of those, they are just not cool' Imagine hundreds of Mobility Scooters lining up at the Switch Island lights, or thousands of motor scooters going along the motorway at 7mph. May as well use a canal boat - they go faster!

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New calculator needed I think.

He just missed out +/- 20 years, is all.

[The PNP]

From the man who spends his life telling us not to use our cars for short journeys. Priceless!!

You'd be surprised how many oldies there are in the area, who rarely if ever venture to drive beyond town. Sadly, more than a few are no longer able to ride a bike, so don't have a choice. For them, a base model electric car with option of a smaller and therefore more affordable battery would be ideal!

[local]

A) One of ours is actually petrol! Naturally I'd prefer to get rid and go all-electric tomorrow, but the figures simply don't stack up. To wring an extra £50k profit out of the business annually to pay for electric vehicles is impossible. It would mean raising prices way up, to a point where we'd be non-competitive......You'd be looking at well over £2k for a complete installation inc the 5kw stove and liner, as opposed to just £1250 all-in.

B) As I always point out to you, that's absolute nonsense. Running a woodstove is carbon-neutral, whereas burning fossil fuels for heating (as you do) is not. Also, by helping to create a demand for logs, forestry is given the confidence to plant more acreage, knowing there will be a market for their product down the line.

You dig yourself deeper and deeper each time you post "one of ours is petrol" tell us what the engine types you have are ?


As to trying to fool people that cutting down forests to burn in stoves is in any way green is a farce beyond comedy.

Your killing trees, destroying habitats and polluting the air,

nationally, domestic wood burning is the largest single source of PM2.5. According to one analysis of government data, it produces more than twice as much as all road traffic. While concerns about diesel vehicles focus largely on the nitrogen dioxide they produce, the evidence tying particulates to death and disease is even more powerful.

According to Leigh Crilley, an atmospheric chemist at the University of Birmingham, wood smoke also carries more carcinogens than diesel or petrol exhaust.


Your a charlatan selling snake oil wood stoves as green.

[The PNP]

A) You dig yourself deeper and deeper each time you post "one of ours is petrol" tell us what the engine types you have are?

B) Your a charlatan selling snake oil wood stoves as green.

A) The business runs one of each. Perhaps you'd prefer us to remove the engines - and fit pedals instead!

B) Woodstoves are by far the most cost-effective way to heat a home without adding to your carbon footprint.....Whereas burning coal, gas or oil certainly is not.

[justbecause]

[QUOTE=The PNP;6714763]A) One of ours is actually petrol! Naturally I'd prefer to get rid and go all-electric tomorrow, but the figures simply don't stack up. To wring an extra £50k profit out of the business annually to pay for electric vehicles is impossible. It would mean raising prices way up, to a point where we'd be non-competitive......You'd be looking at well over £2k for a complete installation inc the 5kw stove and liner, as opposed to just £1250 all-in.

B) As I always point out to you, that's absolute nonsense. Running a woodstove is carbon-neutral, whereas burning fossil fuels for heating (as you do) is not. Also, by helping to create a demand for logs, forestry is given the confidence to plant more acreage, knowing there will be a market for their product down the line. [/QUOTE]


Talk about defeating your own argument, your sheer stupidity is incredible at times.

[sandGroundZero]

local & The PNP — ever think about starting a new thread to carry on your feud?

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[local]

local & The PNP — ever think about starting a new thread to carry on your feud?

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What feud and you may notice it is not just me that points out the obvious ?

I am pointing out the hypocrisy of someone pretending to be green whilst pedalling if you might pardon the pun cancer causing environment destroying lung killing stoves,

for which I offer proof the green hypocrite never does.

If you wish to put yourself forward as some sort of moderator then do it.

You might first consider that my post is far from off topic before your application.

[Nick2]

Where will the government get the tax?

2040? I'll have received my birthday card from the Queen before then.

[Toodles McGinty]

I'm all for the idea of electric cars. In principal. But as wiser members than I have pointed out, the mining of materials to make batteries is dodgy for a start.

Also, the technology is pretty basic. As far as I can glean, the batteries themselves are made up of cells that only have around 3.7v each. So batteries are basically hundreds or thousands of the equivalent of torch batteries all joined up. I know it's more complicated than that, but hardly the stuff of science fiction.

Then there is the charging infrastructure. Great if you have your own garage or drive to park up and charge overnight. But most people don't, and I imagine even fewer will by 2040. Unless we are charging electric boats to get around by then...

As it is, electric cars are prohibitively expensive, take hours to charge, aren't that environmentally friendly unless you use renewables to charge them, and have the equivalent of one petrol station per large town. Could be a great idea, as long as there are huge advances in the tech in the next decade. Or another alternative fuel will be adapted by then.

[The PNP]

[[B]QUOTE=Talk about defeating your own argument, your sheer stupidity is incredible at times.

If you can't accept that price (along with quality of products/service) is a critical factor in any customers buying decision....that's your problem not mine!

[local]

Electric cars are still niche offerings to our society as it stands.

Their too expensive have limited range and for many nigh on impossible to charge practically.

For two and three car households who gets the charge point would be a battle and putting three in just cannot happen without huge changes in infrastructure.

They will get cheaper as production ramps up but that won't change the infrastructure.

It feels like we have had this before with TV's, overpriced curved 3D and 4K TV's with nothing to watch on them.

[sandGroundZero]

I'm all for the idea of electric cars. In principal. But …As it is, electric cars are prohibitively expensive, take hours to charge, aren't that environmentally friendly unless you use renewables to charge them, and have the equivalent of one petrol station per large town. Could be a great idea, as long as there are huge advances in the tech in the next decade. Or another alternative fuel will be adapted by then.

EVs do exhibit drawbacks mentioned. On the other hand, you seem to be assuming that our patterns of behaviour with respect of travelling from point to point will be otherwise pretty much as they are at present. I doubt that that will be the case.

Something has got to give and my guess is that private vehicle ownership will decline drastically in favour of hiring your trasportation as and when needed, one way or another!

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[The PNP]

my guess is that private vehicle ownership will decline drastically in favour of hiring your transportation as and when needed, one way or another!.

You may be right, it's a possible future that makes much sense....Autonomous hire vehicles would mean an end to speeding, dangerous overtaking, close passing of bikes, bad parking, drunk driving, road rage, and all the rest.

N.B. I'd be one of the first to take a trip in a 'Johnnycab' when/if they happen...'Please state the destination' - 'hope you enjoyed the ride!'