Diesel and Petrol cars banned by 2040.

[local]

We would have to legislate many people out of their own cars.
For many its their personal fiefdoms personalised and very much theirs not to be shared with strangers taking on their smells and rubbish.

A "car" thats always ready,parks itself,maintains itself and will go where I want when I want sounds attractive but what you would do with them after rush hour would be an issue.

Changing your mind and watching your autonomous car disappearing off into the distance on a cold wet night would be a problem.

Climbing into a car that Mr Smelly has just used sounds yuk a reason many won't use Taxis.

[sandGroundZero]

We would have to legislate many people out of their own cars. For many its their personal fiefdoms personalised and very much theirs not to be shared with strangers taking on their smells and rubbish.
A "car" thats always ready,parks itself,maintains itself and will go where I want when I want sounds attractive but what you would do with them after rush hour would be an issue. …

Doubtless many issues arise. But, there will be perquisites:

• people will pay for their journeys, not for the overhead costs of vehicle ownership — so, user pays principle applies.

Though some will be reluctant, the externalities will nudge individuals to relinquish their vehicles:

• expense of ownership versus convenience of pay per ride

In addition, current arrangements may not be the only choices available. Perhaps cooperative car share schemes will come to be, allowing some measure of ability to limit exposure to anti-social behaviour.

The main point is, things will have changed on multiple fronts. Peoples' habits will change, too.

[seivad]

For those of us who live in a country with an extremely cold Winter, an electric vehicle just wouldn't cut it. Using the heater would mean losing about 40-50% of range. And living in a rural area we would need an EV with a good range. I'm not about to dress like Nanook of the North to avoid using the heater, or, even worse, end up stranded in the middle of nowhere.

Then there's the increased time it takes to charge the battery in cold weather. We have a large garage, but even though it's insulated it's still bloody freezing in there!

Then there's our roasting hot & humid Summers. I remember in the 70s feeling like a pot of glue stuck to the seats when it was in the 30s. No thanks, this girl needs her AC!

As much as I like the idea of an EV, it's not a practical choice.

[sandGroundZero]

For those of us who live in a country with an extremely cold Winter, an electric vehicle just wouldn't cut it. Using the heater would mean losing about 40-50% of range. And living in a rural area we would need an EV with a good range. I'm not about to dress like Nanook of the North to avoid using the heater, or, even worse, end up stranded in the middle of nowhere.
Then there's the increased time it takes to charge the battery in cold weather. We have a large garage, but even though it's insulated it's still bloody freezing in there!
Then there's our roasting hot & humid Summers. I remember in the 70s feeling like a pot of glue stuck to the seats when it was in the 30s. No thanks, this girl needs her AC!
As much as I like the idea of an EV, it's not a practical choice.

EVs may not be a solution in rural Canada (or rural UK for that matter). It is fair to speculate, however, that the choices on offer will become different and quite possibly severely limited. In the memories of people alive today, life in rural communities was liable to be harder than in towns. My father has told me he walked miles to school through deep snow. Then WW II intervened and changed the course of countless lives. The threat of global climate change, if left unchecked, is apt to have an even greater transformative outcome!

[Toodles McGinty]

EVs do exhibit drawbacks mentioned. On the other hand, you seem to be assuming that our patterns of behaviour with respect of travelling from point to point will be otherwise pretty much as they are at present. I doubt that that will be the case.

Something has got to give and my guess is that private vehicle ownership will decline drastically in favour of hiring your trasportation as and when needed, one way or another!

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Yes, that was another alternative I was going to add: the way we use transport might have to be drastically changed. Private ownership could reduce and some kind of national or local vehicle service introduced. Not exactly a taxi service, or bus service, more personal than that.

But again, just as electric vehicles suffer some major drawbacks, the sort of 'use it then return it' system some cities have had with cycles have been great on paper, not so great when the indigenous little shite population delight in chucking them in the nearest canal. I reckon even the very best and brightest ideas can easily be scuppered by the minority of humans with turds for brains. So it isn't just technology to consider. The fact that some people haven't evolved from dragging their knuckles is also a consideration.

[sandGroundZero]

What feud and you may notice it is not just me that points out the obvious ?
…You might first consider that my post is far from off topic before your application.

Thread: Diesel and Petrol cars banned by 2040.

I'd say that puts you

Besides which, your view has become pretty well known.

[silver fox]

really? Maybe you should read some more up to date material.

OK, not being generous, but there are as yet only 8 models with a range in excess of 125 miles, don't know about you, but I won't run anywhere of any distance with only that sort of range in my fuel tank, doesn't need much of a hold up en route and you can be in need of a top up, with all electric, that's your lot.

We have all encountered hold ups and delays on relatively short journeys, I for one would not feel at all happy with such a limited range.

[sandGroundZero]

An aside with respect of:

I reckon even the very best and brightest ideas can easily be scuppered by the minority of humans with turds for brains.

…perhaps; but one way or another …

Let us not forget that things could get very much worse than not having the luxury of driving here and there in our privately owned motors 20 years from now.

Homo sapiens tend to wrestle with changes retrospectively — when it comes to anticipating future changes, we're pretty hopeless.

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[Kippax]

OK, not being generous, but there are as yet only 8 models with a range in excess of 125 miles, don't know about you, but I won't run anywhere of any distance with only that sort of range in my fuel tank, doesn't need much of a hold up en route and you can be in need of a top up, with all electric, that's your lot.

We have all encountered hold ups and delays on relatively short journeys, I for one would not feel at all happy with such a limited range.

The mileage figures provided by the manufacturers, Will be obtained under near laboratory conditions.

Once you factor in headwinds, heavy, slow traffic, headlights on, heater on, heated rear window on, air conditioning on, radio on etc etc

The actual figures will be considerably less than those “government” figures.

[The PNP]

The mileage figures provided by the manufacturers, Will be obtained under near laboratory conditions.

Once you factor in headwinds, heavy, slow traffic, headlights on, heater on, heated rear window on, air conditioning on, radio on etc etc

The actual figures will be considerably less than those “government” figures.

Even if you halve the typical quoted range in miles per charge, to take account of heaters, w/wipers, etc....You're still left with more than enough range for the vast majority of daily commutes. Preston, L'pool or even a Mcr return trip, would not be a problem imo.

[said]

local & The PNP — ever think about starting a new thread to carry on your feud?

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Would it help to point out that each person criticising another, is nothing more than pot calling kettle?

If anyone of those people does not drive any vehicle, does not enjoy central heating, never uses air conditioning, never uses any chemical toiletries, or building materials, never takes flights abroad or boat trips etc., then fair enough - you can criticise those who do not! Just how many cave dwelling hermits have we got in the UK?

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Thread: Diesel and Petrol cars banned by 2040.

I'd say that puts you

Besides which, your view has become pretty well known.

Is this just for road vehicles? Or do ships and aircraft feature in this ideal pollution free environment? I honestly cannot envisage this happening in fifteen years (2035 now given) for many reasons.

How will people be encouraged to give up their reliable old car to pay out for a far more not so reliable expensive car?
Government subsidies have been offered for new purchases of these - but that value has dropped since 2018.
The National Grid struggles to provide for a sudden mass demand of electricity - how will it cope with a sudden demand for around 31 million cars? Where will this additional power come from?
Charging a car at home overnight will require special charging kits that will cost extra, and this option will not available for those who do not have a parking space or live in flats etc.,
Travelling into London will be impossible even for those living just outside the city - how will commuters fare? Is this the real reason for the HS2?
Each battery will require several changes during the life time of the car - these are very costly and likely to be even more so as component metals become scarce.
Anyone want to join me on sailing lessons?

[The PNP]

If anyone of those people does not drive any vehicle, does not enjoy central heating, never uses air conditioning, never uses any chemical toiletries, or building materials, never takes flights abroad or boat trips etc., then fair enough - you can criticise those who do not! Just how many cave dwelling hermits have we got in the UK?

Agreed, we're all guilty of adding to the greenhouse gas problem in varying degrees.....At least some of us are making an effort to reduce their carbon footprints. Funny thing about certain posters on here who habitually criticise others - notice how they stay silent about their own eco shortcomings.

Myself, I only ride 'rescued' and restored bikes, like to keep one by door to ferry back essentials from the shop. Choose not to have a car. Also deliberately avoid flying - approx 20 years since last boarding a plane. Can heat home/tapwater with a carbon neutral product. Regularly take my recycling waste to the tip. Keep hold of stuff many would throw away, for re-use/re-purposing down the line. And most controversially of all - take out customers old coal and gas fires, replacing them with Govt approved carbon-neutral woodstoves.

[sandGroundZero]

Is this just for road vehicles? Or do ships and aircraft feature in this ideal pollution free environment? I honestly cannot envisage this happening in fifteen years (2035 now given) for many reasons.
How will people be encouraged to give up their reliable old car to pay out for a far more not so reliable expensive car?

• Government subsidies have been offered for new purchases of these - but that value has dropped since 2018.
• The National Grid struggles to provide for a sudden mass demand of electricity - how will it cope with a sudden demand for around 31 million cars? Where will this additional power come from?
• Charging a car at home overnight will require special charging kits that will cost extra, and this option will not available for those who do not have a parking space or live in flats etc.,
• Travelling into London will be impossible even for those living just outside the city - how will commuters fare? Is this the real reason for the HS2?
• Each battery will require several changes during the life time of the car - these are very costly and likely to be even more so as component metals become scarce.

Anyone want to join me on sailing lessons?

For the sake of discussion, suppose everything (above) is a more-or-less accurate description /prediction. Suppose also that the climate scientists' models also provide a more-or-less accurate description of future climate change. Then what?

EVs do not replace internal combustion engines and our habits do not change significantly. How do you suppose that will work out?

[local]

Would it help to point out that each person criticising another, is nothing more than pot calling kettle?

If anyone of those people does not drive any vehicle, does not enjoy central heating, never uses air conditioning, never uses any chemical toiletries, or building materials, never takes flights abroad or boat trips etc., then fair enough - you can criticise those who do not! Just how many cave dwelling hermits have we got in the UK?

I plead guilty to all of the above but certainly not to using lung damaging forest destroying woodburning stoves my conscience won't let me damage local childrens lungs.

Eco hypocrites are everywhere and PNP is one.