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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Existing Petrol & Diesel engines and Gas Boilers will still be around for many many years the bans being mentioned are for NEW SALES which will probably lead to a surge in sales before any ban comes in.

    True! But there will be no new cars fuelled with petrol/diesel in fifteen years time.

    The government are chasing electric cars - they need to be doing far more research into methane powered cars since -

    The Institute forEnergy Research have published the fact that electric vehicles inGermany emit between 11% - 28% MORE carbon dioxide than theirdiesel fuelled counterparts. This was taking into consideration theproduction of batteries as well as the German electricity mixrequired. Germany has spent thousands of euros on electric carsubsidies per vehicle to put a million electric cars on the road –but these subsidies have done nothing to reach the country'sgreenhouse gas emission target. This is just one of the latestexamples of government programs expecting one outcome and gettingsomething completely different.


    The researcherscompared the carbon dioxide output for a Tesla Model 3 (electric) anda Mercedes C220d diesel sedan. The Mersedes releases abut 141 gramsof carbon dioxide per km, including the carbon emitted to drill,refine and transport the fuel while the Tesla releases between 156 –181 grams to include battery production, mining and processing ehlithium,cobalt and maganese used for the batteries.


    However, it is envisaged that cars will not be required to travel long distances in the future because high speed trains will transport commuters to various cities and possibly electric car hire will be available for access to final destinations. BYe bye Motorways!





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    Politics …free market fundamentalism?

    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    The Institute forEnergy Research have published the fact that electric vehicles inGermany emit between 11% - 28% MORE carbon dioxide than theirdiesel fuelled counterparts. This was taking into consideration theproduction of batteries as well as the German electricity mixrequired. Germany has spent thousands of euros on electric carsubsidies per vehicle to put a million electric cars on the road –but these subsidies have done nothing to reach the country'sgreenhouse gas emission target. This is just one of the latestexamples of government programs expecting one outcome and gettingsomething completely different.
    The Institute for Energy Research "…maintains that freely-functioning energy markets provide the most efficient and effective solutions to today’s global energy and environmental challenges and, as such, are critical to the well-being of individuals and society."

    Put otherwise, the IER's raison d'être is to persuade us that non-intervention in "freely functioning energy markets" will solve the problems. Of course, not everyone accepts that premiss.

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    Politics …support your local assertion

    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    …But there will be no new cars fuelled with petrol/diesel in fifteen years time.
    Some individuals cannot bear the thought that internal combustion engines are under threat. Understandable; but the status quo is not sustainable.


    There's plenty of online support for those among us who would obfuscate the issues. It would be helpful, though, if they provided links to their sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    Some individuals cannot bear the thought that internal combustion engines are under threat. Understandable; but the status quo is not sustainable.
    Some were upset when steam was phased out on the railways. Back in the day, I imagine some were unhappy about their horse and cart being superseded.....I guess that's how the cookie of progress crumbles.

    N.B. Amongst all the fuss over the merits of this fuel or that, spare a thought for the humble bicycle. So often overlooked as an economical and healthy form of eco-friendly transport. It looks set to roll on into the future, long after all other technologies fade away.
    Last edited by The PNP; 18/02/2020 at 09:03 PM.
    On Yer Bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    Some individuals cannot bear the thought that internal combustion engines are under threat. Understandable; but the status quo is not sustainable.


    There's plenty of online support for those among us who would obfuscate the issues. It would be helpful, though, if they provided links to their sources.

    These are the latest topics in the news, Mr. Flintstone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    Some individuals cannot bear the thought that internal combustion engines are under threat. Understandable; but the status quo is not sustainable.

    It’s not that we cannot bear the thought that the internal combustion engine is under threat, as you call it.

    I’d have a Jaguar I-pace tomorrow if I had a spare £75,000 under my mattress and the infrastructure for charging was in place for when I next go driving down to Spain / Portugal/ Italy.

    Thats the type of holiday that I enjoy, driving to remote rural regions and staying in small village communities, something that would be virtually impossible at the moment with an EV.

    Its more to do with the proposed alternatives not being affordable and having limited range and that’s without touching on the most important thing, infrastructure and charging point compatibility/ availability.
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    Politics Who does happily relinquish …?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kippax View Post
    Of course; what you've said is true. It is understandable that you do not wish to change your lifestyle preferences. Who does?

    Nevertheless, the evidence is piling up to the effect that we, collectively, are seriously damaging the natural environment and undermining the very basis of our civilized existence. Unfortunately, culpability is not spread evenly. We comparatively prosperous world citizens are contributing more GHGs per capita, in broad terms certainly. We shall all be required to modify our preferences. Failure to do so will have grave consequences.

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    These are the latest topics in the news, Mr. Flintstone!
    So, what? You're excusing yourself from linking to sources you allude to.
    Why is that?
    Perhaps you'd rather no one looked deeper; is that it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek H View Post
    Norway is way in front - see this: https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/

    The number of el-cars in Norway is increasing day by day - and our hydro-electicity is a benefit to us.

    What would such policies cost the UK government? Lots and lots! Don't think any UK government would dare to match Norway!
    One way is by having some of your electricity...which we are! Starting next year.
    http://northsealink.com/
    "What is North Sea Link (NSL)?

    Statnett and National Grid North Sea Link Limited are working together to construct an electricity link between Norway and the UK, North Sea Link (NSL).

    North Sea Link will connect the electricity systems of the two countries via high voltage subsea cables from Kvilldal in Norway to Blyth in the UK.

    Linking Nordic and British energy markets will bring a number of benefits, including:

    Providing opportunities for shared use of renewable energy – helping both countries to meet domestic and international renewable and climate change targets.
    Increasing the security of electricity supplies for both countries.
    Providing additional transmission capacity for electricity to be traded between both countries, supporting economic growth in Norway and the UK.

    Passing through Norwegian and British waters, North Sea Link will be operational in 2021 and will be the longest subsea interconnector in the world."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    The Institute for Energy Research "…maintains that freely-functioning energy markets provide the most efficient and effective solutions to today’s global energy and environmental challenges and, as such, are critical to the well-being of individuals and society."

    Put otherwise, the IER's raison d'être is to persuade us that non-intervention in "freely functioning energy markets" will solve the problems. Of course, not everyone accepts that premiss.
    No they don't. In fact they carry the opposite view a little bit too far if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    So, what? You're excusing yourself from linking to sources you allude to.
    Why is that?
    Perhaps you'd rather no one looked deeper; is that it?
    There are so many sources for that information and I am positive that no-one would look beyond the first link. you have the same number, (presumably) of digits that I have, you have a keyboard in front of you and I take it you have a thinking brain. So use them! Come back to me if you get stuck!

    Here is one to be getting on with - there are many more as you will find:

    https://assets.publishing.service.go...28887/7827.pdf
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    [QUOTE=Snig's foot;6715120]One way is by having some of your electricity...which we are! Starting next year.
    http://northsealink.com/
    "What is North Sea Link (NSL)?

    And the net result for Norway will be a very significant increase in the price we have to pay for the electicity that we use. At least according to the Norwegian press and TV.
    Age is simply a matter of mind - age doesn't matter if you don't mind

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    Politics …regarding references

    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    There are so many sources for that information and I am positive that no-one would look beyond the first link. you have the same number, (presumably) of digits that I have, you have a keyboard in front of you and I take it you have a thinking brain. So use them! Come back to me if you get stuck!
    Here is one to be getting on with - there are many more as you will find:
    https://assets.publishing.service.go...28887/7827.pdf
    You have linked to a 10 year old Department for Transport justification for then new HS2 proposal, complete with images of Gordon Brown and Andrew Adonis! Did you "look beyond the first link"?

    You make sweeping assertions. Occasionally you allude to a source as with the Institute for Energy Research (#61) without a link. As happens, I did search for IER and the quote posted at #70 was extracted from the IER '…/about' page.

    Altogether, it appears as though your aim is to muddy the waters with spurious assertions in the hope and expectation that no one will check your sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandGroundZero View Post
    Altogether, it appears as though your aim is to muddy the waters with spurious assertions in the hope and expectation that no one will check your sources.
    Myself and others have almost made a career out of checking Said's "facts"! By now (s)he should have a full expectation that they will be checked. And, as is usually the case with 99% of Said's copy & pastes, they will be rebutted.

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    [QUOTE=Derek H;6715149]
    Quote Originally Posted by Snig's foot View Post
    One way is by having some of your electricity...which we are! Starting next year.
    http://northsealink.com/
    "What is North Sea Link (NSL)?

    And the net result for Norway will be a very significant increase in the price we have to pay for the electicity that we use. At least according to the Norwegian press and TV.
    I'm sure that's true. I don't imagine it will be cheap at our end of the wire. The link is also meant to allow us to sell you our excess windpower so that you can store more in your reservoirs for a rainy, no, a dry day!

    I see more connections to Norway are planned....then Iceland!

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