Keir Starmer

[Alikado]

I see what you did.

You have been told it is not anti-Semitic to criticise the Israeli Government?

That is true.
Does not mean you can be racist to a Government or its religions make up.

Repeating 'Blood libel' and anti Semitic tropes are racism.

Criticising the actions of a Government is not racist it is holding them to account.

[Hamble]

Criticising the actions of a Government is not racist it is holding them to account.

You don't need to take my word for it.

Quote Alikado
"Nothing Anti Semitic in that, it is only criticism of the Israeli Government, it's the first time I've heard of kids being kidnapped for their organs but that could be breaking news."


Hamble requests QLocal moderate antisemitism from the Far Left as it does the Far right please?

Thank you.

[Desert Region]

Nothing Anti Semitic in that, it is only criticism of the Israeli Government, it's the first time I've heard of kids being kidnapped for their organs but that could be breaking news.

How you can find nothing anti-Semitic about an anti-Semitic canard that you actually know isn't true?

[seivad]

You don't need to take my word for it.

Quote Alikado
"Nothing Anti Semitic in that, it is only criticism of the Israeli Government, it's the first time I've heard of kids being kidnapped for their organs but that could be breaking news."


Hamble requests QLocal moderate antisemitism from the Far Left as it does the Far right please?

Thank you.

I totally agree with you that the accusations levelled at the Israeli government do constitute anti-Semitism.

Can any reasonable person believe that kidnapping children to harvest their organs is official Israeli government policy? It's about as likely as Bill Gates eating babies. Propagating a falsehood with the claim that it's not anti-Semitic because it concerns the government as a whole, is both ridiculous and reprehensible. It's totally unacceptable on this forum, as it should be everywhere.

[Hamble]

I totally agree with you that the accusations levelled at the Israeli government do constitute anti-Semitism.

Can any reasonable person believe that kidnapping children to harvest their organs is official Israeli government policy? It's about as likely as Bill Gates eating babies. Propagating a falsehood with the claim that it's not anti-Semitic because it concerns the government as a whole, is both ridiculous and reprehensible. It's totally unacceptable on this forum, as it should be everywhere.

Thank you seivad.

I am grateful more so on the point that criticism of the Israeli Government
is not legitimate if it includes antisemitism or racism.

[Desert Region]

You don't need to take my word for it.

Quote Alikado
"Nothing Anti Semitic in that, it is only criticism of the Israeli Government, it's the first time I've heard of kids being kidnapped for their organs but that could be breaking news."


Hamble requests QLocal moderate antisemitism from the Far Left as it does the Far right please?

Thank you.

Yes, H: sadly, stupid racist scum exist in both the far-left and the far-right.

[Hamble]

Yes, H: sadly, stupid racist scum exist in both the far-left and the far-right.

Lets see what the Labour Party do with Mr Yusuf Jan-Virmani.

[local]

It is an extraordinary accusation.

The right wing in the Israeli government sink pretty low but not that low.

Benjamin Netanyahu, and his Likud party even entered into political agreements with Kahane’s* followers to help elect them to the Knesset.

Kahane called for a strict separation of Jews and non-Jews and for the enslavement or expulsion of indigenous Palestinians and other non-Jews from Palestine/Israel. While in the Knesset in the 1980s, he introduced a set of proposed laws which read in part:
“Non-Jews will be obliged to assume duties, taxes and slavery. If he does not agree to slavery and taxes, he will be forcibly deported.”

“A non-Jew will not live within the jurisdiction of the city of Jerusalem.”

“A non-Jew who has a marital relationship with a Jew is liable to 50 years in prison. A Jewish prostitute or a Jewish male who has an affair with a non-Jewish male is sentenced to five years in prison.”


There is much wrong in the area.

[Hamble]

It is an extraordinary accusation.

The right wing in the Israeli government sink pretty low but not that low.

Benjamin Netanyahu, and his Likud party even entered into political agreements with Kahane’s* followers to help elect them to the Knesset.

Kahane called for a strict separation of Jews and non-Jews and for the enslavement or expulsion of indigenous Palestinians and other non-Jews from Palestine/Israel. While in the Knesset in the 1980s, he introduced a set of proposed laws which read in part:
“Non-Jews will be obliged to assume duties, taxes and slavery. If he does not agree to slavery and taxes, he will be forcibly deported.”

“A non-Jew will not live within the jurisdiction of the city of Jerusalem.”

“A non-Jew who has a marital relationship with a Jew is liable to 50 years in prison. A Jewish prostitute or a Jewish male who has an affair with a non-Jewish male is sentenced to five years in prison.”


There is much wrong in the area.

Have you got a link?

[Alikado]

It is an extraordinary accusation.

The right wing in the Israeli government sink pretty low but not that low.

Benjamin Netanyahu, and his Likud party even entered into political agreements with Kahane’s* followers to help elect them to the Knesset.

Kahane called for a strict separation of Jews and non-Jews and for the enslavement or expulsion of indigenous Palestinians and other non-Jews from Palestine/Israel. While in the Knesset in the 1980s, he introduced a set of proposed laws which read in part:
“Non-Jews will be obliged to assume duties, taxes and slavery. If he does not agree to slavery and taxes, he will be forcibly deported.”

“A non-Jew will not live within the jurisdiction of the city of Jerusalem.”

“A non-Jew who has a marital relationship with a Jew is liable to 50 years in prison. A Jewish prostitute or a Jewish male who has an affair with a non-Jewish male is sentenced to five years in prison.”


There is much wrong in the area.

The only solution I can see is to make the whole area become governed by the United Nations.

[Desert Region]

I see what you did.

You have been told it is not anti-Semitic to criticise the Israeli Government?

That is true.
Does not mean you can be racist to a Government or its religions make up.

Repeating 'Blood libel' and anti Semitic tropes are racism.

Yes, I saw that, too.

Plus, how is that even meant to excuse this comment: ""I am not aware of any animal that is so cruel as the Israelis. Not even crocodiles."

That states the Israelis are worse than animals, are worse than the worst sort of animal.

Yet, we're supposed to believe there's nothing remotely racist about that whatsoever. So, apparently, it's fine to be repeating that, to be agreeing with that, and to be finding nothing racist about that.

I remember when Said couldn't find anything anti-Semitic with downplaying the number of Jewish people murdered in The Holocaust. Seivad, Toodles, and I challenged Said point by point with no quarter given: yet I don't remember Said ever once retracting anything, let alone apologise.

Further, I don't expect to see any breaking Forum news to the effect that either Said or Alikado are retracting their comments.

The far-right and the far-left more closely resemble each other than they care to admit or perhaps can even see.

I believe that's called the horseshoe theory.

[Hamble]

Yes, I saw that, too.

Plus, how is that even meant to excuse this comment: ""I am not aware of any animal that is so cruel as the Israelis. Not even crocodiles."

That states the Israelis are worse than animals, are worse than the worst sort of animal.

Yet, we're supposed to believe there's nothing remotely racist about that whatsoever. So, apparently, it's fine to be repeating that, to be agreeing with that, and to be finding nothing racist about that.

I remember when Said couldn't find anything anti-Semitic with downplaying the number of Jewish people murdered in The Holocaust. Seivad, Toodles, and I challenged Said point by point with no quarter given: yet I don't remember Said ever once retracting anything, let alone apologise.

Further, I don't expect to see any breaking Forum news to the effect that either Said or Alikado are retracting their comments.

The far-right and the far-left more closely resemble each other than they care to admit or perhaps can even see.

I believe that's called the horseshoe theory.

There are so many labels for this political phenomenon.
Not all fit the UK.



'Regressive Left' describes the inexplicable alliance of Islam and the Far Left.
Regressive left (also formulated as "regressive liberals" and "regressive leftists") is a pejorative term for a branch of left-wing politics that is accused of being accepting of or sympathetic to views that conflict with liberal principles, especially tolerating Islamism.


What is the difference between Islam and Islamism?
At the most basic level, Islam is a major world religion practiced by well over a billion people, and Islamism is a political ideology to which a subset of the broader Islamic community adheres.2

The question for me is why would a reasonable Socialist align with the prejudices of any political ideology unless there was an ulterior motive?

[Desert Region]

Repeating 'Blood libel' and anti Semitic tropes are racism.

I haven't spotted any "breaking news" yet about that anti-Semitic conspiracy theory regarding the kidnap of children to harvest their organs.

Nor am I going to: as it's an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

What kind of person finds "nothing wrong" with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and indeed expects that they could in fact be "breaking news"?

[Hamble]

I haven't spotted any "breaking news" yet about that anti-Semitic conspiracy theory regarding the kidnap of children to harvest their organs.

Nor am I going to: as it's an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

What kind of person finds "nothing wrong" with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and indeed expects that they could in fact be "breaking news"?

Same people who use the logic Palestinians are safe in a land ruled by Radical Islamic group Hamas.

Making excuses for terrorists who build tunnels to store weapons and explosives under innocent Palestinians homes.

Same people who laugh off Hamas declared intention to conquer Israel and occupy a Palestine State.

Same people quite happy to justify those 'freedom fighters' delighted by Western support to destroy the Jewish State.

[Desert Region]

Caught up with the Piers Morgan interview of Keir. Found myself feeling choked up a number of times. Keir came across very well. Impressive. I hope he puts into action the pointers he was given.

At near the interview end, when he was invited to switch into political mode, he became a bit less convincing, despite trying to take on board the advice he'd been given.