Virus precautions - It's all back to front or upside down

[Alikado]

The Government wants to create 'Herd Immunity' were the fit and healthy catch a dose but only get mildly effected yet the things that get cancelled are the very things they take part in such 10k runs and Marathons etc , Horseracing where people are outside with little personal contact looks like going behind closed doors. Meanwhile West End Theatres where people are sat in close contact for a prolonged period of time continue.
The Government have done nothing to protect the elderly, and are expected to say the elderly should self isolate for 4 months (they mean crawl into a corner and die alone). Care Homes struggle at the best of times but again no help, they should be arranging to put extra resource into them both in staff, training and equipment, they could issue an oxygen cylinder or two then any falling ill may not have to go to hospital.

Its absolute madness.

[seivad]

I thought that the government had abandoned the (ill advised) "herd immunity" plan? The majority of epidemiologists seemed to be critical of the plan.

We've only ever used herd immunity in terms of vaccine uptake, which works well to protect the vaccinated person and the community they are in close contact with. It's a different story when using disease infection. What % of the population would have to contract the disease to gain immunity?

[silver fox]

I thought that the government had abandoned the (ill advised) "herd immunity" plan? The majority of epidemiologists seemed to be critical of the plan.

We've only ever used herd immunity in terms of vaccine uptake, which works well to protect the vaccinated person and the community they are in close contact with. It's a different story when using disease infection. What % of the population would have to contract the disease to gain immunity?

It is reckoned 80% is the sort of immunity required to achieve "herd" immunity, usually as you say achieved by vaccination.

How many deaths will it take before we achieve "herd" immunity?

[seivad]

It is reckoned 80% is the sort of immunity required to achieve "herd" immunity, usually as you say achieved by vaccination.

How many deaths will it take before we achieve "herd" immunity?

MOOr than would be considered acceptable. Culling the old and infirm to reduce state pension and future health care expenditure?

[Hamble]

There is no vaccine to Covid-19.

There are no figures on the amount of people who catch the virus with no significant symptoms or the possibility of natural immunity.

Therefore relying on vaccination uptake figures is unreliable.

If a vaccine becomes available the elderly will get it first.

[seivad]

There is no vaccine to Covid-19.

There are no figures on the amount of people who catch the virus with no significant symptoms or the possibility of natural immunity.

Therefore relying on vaccination uptake figures is unreliable.

If a vaccine becomes available the elderly will get it first.

I know there's no vaccine for Covid-19. I mentioned vaccines because the only time I've heard of "herd immunity" is in connection with the uptake of the seasonal flu vaccine.

[Hamble]

I know there's no vaccine for Covid-19. I mentioned vaccines because the only time I've heard of "herd immunity" is in connection with the uptake of the seasonal flu vaccine.

I Understand.

Hopefully a vaccine will be available soon.

[Hamble]

More on herd immunity

......."Professor Matthew Baylis from the Institute of Infection, Veterinary and Ecological Sciences at the University of Liverpool said: “By reducing the number of people that one person infects, on average, then we lower the point at which herd immunity kicks in. If we reduce it to 1.3, Covid-19 becomes more like flu.

“Herd immunity kicks in when about one quarter of the population has had the disease and is now immune.

“So, from an epidemiological point of view, the trick is to reduce the number of people we are in contact with (by staying more at home), and reduce the chance of transmission to those we are in contact with (by frequent hand washing) so that we can drive down the number of contacts we infect, and herd immunity starts earlier.”

There’s a catch, though: “We will need to sustain this until we have a vaccine: only at that point can we return to normal behaviour patterns, with herd immunity now achieved by vaccination, not disease.”

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...-herd-immunity

[silver fox]

There is no vaccine to Covid-19.

There are no figures on the amount of people who catch the virus with no significant symptoms or the possibility of natural immunity.

Therefore relying on vaccination uptake figures is unreliable.

If a vaccine becomes available the elderly will get it first.

We all know there is no vaccine for covid 19, the figures mentioned are those usually referred to when a vaccine programme is in place, the problem is how many will pay the price before we reach that sort of figure through natural infection and recovery?

Love your confidence that the elderly will get it first, not sure if that will be the vaccine they get first.

[seivad]

Love your confidence that the elderly will get it first, not sure if that will be the vaccine they get first.

Well I for one am not volunteering to be dug up for it!

[said]

More on herd immunity

......."Professor Matthew Baylis from the Institute of Infection, Veterinary and Ecological Sciences at the University of Liverpool said: “By reducing the number of people that one person infects, on average, then we lower the point at which herd immunity kicks in. If we reduce it to 1.3, Covid-19 becomes more like flu.

“Herd immunity kicks in when about one quarter of the population has had the disease and is now immune.

“So, from an epidemiological point of view, the trick is to reduce the number of people we are in contact with (by staying more at home), and reduce the chance of transmission to those we are in contact with (by frequent hand washing) so that we can drive down the number of contacts we infect, and herd immunity starts earlier.”

There’s a catch, though: “We will need to sustain this until we have a vaccine: only at that point can we return to normal behaviour patterns, with herd immunity now achieved by vaccination, not disease.”

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...-herd-immunity

The numbers published for those who have tested positive are tenuous. This is because the tests carried out are compared with different standards of markers and that there is also insufficient sample material to give accurate results. The new virus is almost identical to normal flu and has the same symptoms. It is only when the DNA of the virus has been checked that it can be identified. The Tests incorporate PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) methods, which are laborious and time consuming - the results for each test take 30 minutes to examine. But different markers for testing are used according to who is doing the testing - there are many types of tests but few are uniformly carried out.

[Snig's foot]

The numbers published for those who have tested positive are tenuous. This is because the tests carried out are compared with different standards of markers and that there is also insufficient sample material to give accurate results. The new virus is almost identical to normal flu and has the same symptoms. It is only when the DNA of the virus has been checked that it can be identified. The Tests incorporate PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) methods, which are laborious and time consuming - the results for each test take 30 minutes to examine. But different markers for testing are used according to who is doing the testing - there are many types of tests but few are uniformly carried out.

I'm always amused when you try to sound as though you know what you are talking about. Believe me when I say that on this: " You don't know what you are talking about". I've advised you before about this.

[silver fox]

More on herd immunity

......."Professor Matthew Baylis from the Institute of Infection, Veterinary and Ecological Sciences at the University of Liverpool said: “By reducing the number of people that one person infects, on average, then we lower the point at which herd immunity kicks in. If we reduce it to 1.3, Covid-19 becomes more like flu.

“Herd immunity kicks in when about one quarter of the population has had the disease and is now immune.

“So, from an epidemiological point of view, the trick is to reduce the number of people we are in contact with (by staying more at home), and reduce the chance of transmission to those we are in contact with (by frequent hand washing) so that we can drive down the number of contacts we infect, and herd immunity starts earlier.”

There’s a catch, though: “We will need to sustain this until we have a vaccine: only at that point can we return to normal behaviour patterns, with herd immunity now achieved by vaccination, not disease.”

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...-herd-immunity

Not much faith in the statement that "herd" immunity develops when 25% of the population acquire immunity, the drop in MMR vaccinations has resulted in the re-emergence of measles particularly, medical experts want to see 95% immunity rates to prevent re-emergence of disease, so tell me how much use is 25%.

[Hamble]

On Monday the weather was glorious.
We visited Quarry Bank Mill run by the National Trust as we regularly do
with our subscription.
The Gardens and preserved history are fantastic.


Today The NT issued this statement
Quote
"The safety and wellbeing of our staff, volunteers and visitors is our priority.

Following the Prime Minister’s advice on Monday 16 March the National Trust’s Director General Hilary McGrady said the National Trust’s pay-for-entry sites including houses, cafes, restaurants and shops, would close by this Friday 20 March.

We'll work, where possible, to keep as many of the Trust’s gardens and parklands open, free of charge, alongside coast and countryside, to encourage the nation to enjoy open space if at all possible, while observing social distancing measures.

Hilary McGrady said: 'The National Trust was founded 125 years ago for the benefit of the entire nation. We want to honour our mission – to enable people and nature to thrive. Over the coming weeks we will do all that we can to keep on providing public benefit through caring for places and giving people access wherever possible.

'While we will close our indoor areas to help fight the spread of coronavirus, we recognise that people are likely to need access to open space."

[Hamble]

The numbers published for those who have tested positive are tenuous. This is because the tests carried out are compared with different standards of markers and that there is also insufficient sample material to give accurate results. The new virus is almost identical to normal flu and has the same symptoms. It is only when the DNA of the virus has been checked that it can be identified. The Tests incorporate PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) methods, which are laborious and time consuming - the results for each test take 30 minutes to examine. But different markers for testing are used according to who is doing the testing - there are many types of tests but few are uniformly carried out.

There is so much information about it is difficult to know who and what to believe.

I can only go on Government guidelines and if I post a link explaining a point in more detail it is not to back up my personal point of view just part of the discussion.

I can say though Covid-19 is not a variety of flu.
The confusion arises with 'flu like symptoms'.


This article is interesting.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus