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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    You undermine the genuine refugee and allow people the migrant bashing excuse.

    Clearly those who bypass many places of safety have long given up the need for sanctuary and simply become economic migrants.

    Nothing wrong with wanting to go to somewhere you like who wouldn't ?but to consider them in asylum seekers numbers by the time they get here is not helping.

    They are overwhelmingly young and fit leaving behind the people who can't cope and need their help.
    And based on the 2016 figures I used above, only 30000 out of 1 million headed to Britain rather than Germany, Italy or France, whatever their reason for doing so. The figures don't include places like Turkey either which has huge numbers of asylum seekers.

    There's nothing wrong with welcoming young and fit people into the country in sensible numbers. Despite what the Daily Mail would have you believe, many of them go on to care for our elderly, work for the NHS, help farmers gather their crops, wash your car for you etc etc. If we could swap them for the miserable, insufferable and xenophobic people who clutter this forum that would be a bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nashwan View Post
    And based on the 2016 figures I used above, only 30000 out of 1 million headed to Britain rather than Germany, Italy or France, whatever their reason for doing so. The figures don't include places like Turkey either which has huge numbers of asylum seekers.

    There's nothing wrong with welcoming young and fit people into the country in sensible numbers. Despite what the Daily Mail would have you believe, many of them go on to care for our elderly, work for the NHS, help farmers gather their crops, wash your car for you etc etc. If we could swap them for the miserable, insufferable and xenophobic people who clutter this forum that would be a bonus.
    Xenophobia is a natural instinct. It is how we survived.
    Beware the tribe the other side of the hill. They may come and eat us in the night.
    We are all guilty of it. It is nothing to do with race although the term has been hijacked by those who look for racism everywhere. It is just being wary of strangers untill you get to know them.
    Is a parent telling their child not to get into a car with a stranger wrong to be wary of what might happen ?

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    Yes we are all racists xenophobic half wits, christ even in a properly run club the members have a chance to object to a new membership applicant being granted membership we are expected to just accept murderers thieves and terrorists without blinking an eye.

    By the way are we still paying for the family of that hook handed preacher of hate to live here in a large London house whilst he is rightly in jail in the USA. It's a joke that he has to be deported to be put where he belongs. We are an easy touch probably because half our politicians are immigrants and the other half are like Nashwan. For your information I left school at 15 and worked until I was 67 so don't give us that hogwash about us being lazy and immigrants being such workaholics. Thanks to Thatcher I had TWO Jobs to make ends meet, with sky high mortgage rates, and keep my family housed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    They are overwhelmingly young and fit leaving behind the people who can't cope and need their help.
    All part of their plan.....Send a young fit male ahead to make the trek. Then use his newly granted status as EU/UK citizen, to fly in the entire extended family he left behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    All part of their plan.....Send a young fit male ahead to make the trek. Then use his newly granted status as EU/UK citizen, to fly in the entire extended family he left behind.
    If you believe that why did you vote Remain?

    The Schengen system is made for economic migrants distribution throughout European countries for cheap labour.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ed-by-covid-19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    If you believe that why did you vote Remain?

    The Schengen system is made for economic migrants distribution throughout European countries for cheap labour.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ed-by-covid-19
    For the zillionth time we are not now and never have been party to Schengen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    If you believe that why did you vote Remain?

    The Schengen system is made for economic migrants distribution throughout European countries for cheap labour.
    ]
    I have never been happy with the way 'arrivals' are dealt with - either inside the EU, or here now with UK as non-member. But I don't see that as any reason to want to leave the EU/vote 'out' and lose all my EU citizens rights.

    If it was my choice, genuine refugees from war/persecution, etc, would be granted permission to stay, only until their home was safe to return to. I would also require them to earn their keep whilst here, e.g. by crop-picking, street/toilet cleaning, i.e. NO freeloading on us.

    Economic migrants
    would be instantly returned to whichever transit country they had landed from, e.g. France. France in turn would dump them back in Spain/Italy, etc. Their country of entry into EU would then ship them back to Libya or wherever they set off from - end of!

    N.B. I would allow EU and UK to issue as many, or as few, seasonal work permits as they saw fit....Application would have to be made/permits issued to the person before they entered the EU/UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    How is he promoting illegal immigration?

    I very much doubt he is making millions and how is he ensuring locals will not enter the Town Centre?

    Brittania would probably not reopen the Scarisbrick after the lockdown, probably not the PoW either, would you prefer it boarded up, vandalised and probably burnt out?
    hes known as the asylum king, and made hundreds of millions from the home office as hes the main one to house asylum/economic illeagals...without his assistance the home office could not house them...everywhere he houses them the local area suffers, as will our town centre, he buys up desperate hotels and wrings money from them with no regard for the staff or locals

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    I have never been happy with the way 'arrivals' are dealt with - either inside the EU, or here now with UK as non-member. But I don't see that as any reason to want to leave the EU/vote 'out' and lose all my EU citizens rights.

    If it was my choice, genuine refugees from war/persecution, etc, would be granted permission to stay, only until their home was safe to return to. I would also require them to earn their keep whilst here, e.g. by crop-picking, street/toilet cleaning, i.e. NO freeloading on us.

    Economic migrants
    would be instantly returned to whichever transit country they had landed from, e.g. France. France in turn would dump them back in Spain/Italy, etc. Their country of entry into EU would then ship them back to Libya or wherever they set off from - end of!

    N.B. I would allow EU and UK to issue as many, or as few, seasonal work permits as they saw fit....Application would have to be made/permits issued to the person before they entered the EU/UK.
    Asylum seekers have to apply for permission to stay.
    It is that application which takes time .
    Not really practical to make asylum seekers work for their keep.

    Economic migrants already do the poorest paid jobs and least popular jobs.

    If you voted Remain you accept 'free movement of peoples'.
    That policy includes economic migrants and asylum seekers to Europe travelling to whichever Country they choose as a destination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Asylum seekers have to apply for permission to stay.
    It is that application which takes time .
    Not really practical to make asylum seekers work for their keep.

    Economic migrants already do the poorest paid jobs and least popular jobs.

    If you voted Remain you accept 'free movement of peoples'.
    That policy includes economic migrants and asylum seekers to Europe travelling to whichever Country they choose as a destination.
    I believe strongly in free movement of EU citizens across the EU. It makes perfect sense to let unemployed Spanish, Portuguese, and other unemployed EU'ers come to UK filling vacancies in our understaffed hotel/catering/farming industries etc. Equally happy I am (was! ) allowed to go live/retire/buy property in the South of the EU.....Leaving has now put an end to that.

    Asylum seekers want keeping in camps until their application is refused/granted, to prevent them vanishing into the black economy...Failed applicants want removing forthwith. Successful applicants should be given sanctuary/allowed to work - but not granted citizenship just like that. I'd have them go home once it's safe to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    I believe strongly in free movement of EU citizens across the EU. It makes perfect sense to let unemployed Spanish, Portuguese, and other unemployed EU'ers come to UK filling vacancies in our understaffed hotel/catering/farming industries etc. Equally happy I am (was! ) allowed to go live/retire/buy property in the South of the EU.....Leaving has now put an end to that.

    Asylum seekers want keeping in camps until their application is refused/granted, to prevent them vanishing into the black economy...Failed applicants want removing forthwith. Successful applicants should be given sanctuary/allowed to work - but not granted citizenship just like that. I'd have them go home once it's safe to do so.
    I do not think the idea was for Continental Europe's unemployed to come to the UK otherwise Labour would have been worried about the UK poverty rate going up.


    You cannot keep asylum seekers in camps in England old bean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    A) I do not think the idea was for Continental Europe's unemployed to come to the UK otherwise Labour would have been worried about the UK poverty rate going up.

    B) You cannot keep asylum seekers in camps in England old bean.
    A) The idea is for a flexible labour force to move to where it's needed, not restricted by their old national boundaries....Without that flexibility, many businesses in the UK service sector would have been in difficulty, due being unable to get staff in the numbers they needed.

    B) You can in Oz old bean...Left to reflect at their leisure on a remote island with only basic facilities - a long way from shore!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    You cannot keep asylum seekers in camps in England old bean.
    One is to be set up in the former Scarisbrick Hotel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    A) The idea is for a flexible labour force to move to where it's needed, not restricted by their old national boundaries....Without that flexibility, many businesses in the UK service sector would have been in difficulty, due being unable to get staff in the numbers they needed.

    B) You can in Oz old bean...Left to reflect at their leisure on a remote island with only basic facilities - a long way from shore!
    A.The idea was good-not the result which is seasonal migrant labour living in poverty.

    It also has resulted in the poorest Nationals from separate EU countries
    coming to the UK as a family.
    Not all these nationals are from the EU originally increasing the poverty
    through language and earning disadvantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    A.The idea was good-not the result which is seasonal migrant labour living in poverty.

    It also has resulted in the poorest Nationals from separate EU countries
    coming to the UK as a family.
    Not all these nationals are from the EU originally increasing the poverty
    through language and earning disadvantage.
    A) Poverty? Not what I've seen around here...Local farmwork pays a good £80 a day, works out about £480 for a six-day week. There are currently many vacancies too, as EU'ers aren't coming here due lockdown. I am half-tempted myself to help out by signing up for packhouse work!

    If they don't hold an EU/UK passport, they shouldn't be here - get 'em deported pronto!
    Btw, best way to get a second language, is go live/work in the country where it's spoken.
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