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    Back to school.

    Given the government's handling of the coronavirus so far, who thinks that we are ready to open schools on June 1st?
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    Quote Originally Posted by birdbath View Post
    Given the government's handling of the coronavirus so far, who thinks that we are ready to open schools on June 1st?
    In a word NO, currently still more questions than answers, the idea of staggered starting times will be a problem for many parents, half sized classes will simply mean that most pupils will still not be able to return due to space. Then when it comes to children as transmitters of the virus, no-one appears to have a clue.

    When track and trace is up and running effectively, then we may have a chance, currently more pot luck than considered advice.

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    Think of the disadvantaged children.

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    I don’t think it will happen, the teachers union are asking their members to not even discuss it.

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    The problem is going to be that different schools are going to have different criteria for going back, some are going to split classes some in a morning some in an afternoon, others are going to pick separate days some are going to pick pupils who are the most vulnerable / deserving / needy act, school heads are notorious for being poor managers and governors all have vested interests.

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    Thankfully the school children are the least likely to be affected and evidence from across the world is schools are having few problems.

    Getting the children educated just has to be done even in shifts its not easy for anyone.

    Few aren't struggling with something.

    The teachers need to show resilience and leadership and work it out, some of course have been doing so already.

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    There will be those desperate to send their kids back and those that have no intension of doing so.

    Fortunatly my kids are in high school, So aren't returning any time soon, But I'd already said to my wife, there was no chance they are going back till at least September.

    Birkdale and Greenbank are doing a great job of supplying education from home, and I'm happy to keep it that way for now.

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    I know the furore about animals being used in experiments so I can understand the people who are up in arms about children/teachers/school ancillary staff being used to test the water. I am sure if I had school age children I wouldn't want them used in this way. And I am all for this school year being written off, these are unprecedented times and until we know who has and who hasn't had this virus we can't be using children and school staff as sacrificial lambs.
    90% of normality is closed down so we use children to see if it can gradually open up.

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    Start the school year in September, if the conditions are right.

    Comparing us to Denmark is ridiculous. They are down to around 10 deaths per day.

    Although it is most endearing that this government is so concerned about the well-being of state school children. All these people who suddenly care about child abuse and poverty, where were they when 4m children were going hungry, when schools couldn’t afford to open on Fridays and had to beg parents for pencils, when child services were cut?

    If the government is so convinced that kids aren't super-spreaders, and there's no evidence they'll pass on the virus, why not open all schools? Why not allow them to see grandparents?

    The major difference, as far as I'm concerned, is that the parents can't go back to work unless they've got rid of the kids. Like everything else this government does, it's an experiment, see how far they can go. All those 'low skilled workers' need to get off furlough. So get to work. Blue collar workers who can't sit behind Zoom? Get back on the trains. Privately educated kids? Open when you think it is safe. State school kids? Oh we are so concerned about them. Get them back in classrooms.

    No football until it's 100% safe. State school kids? Have a mingle, see how you go on. Especially 5 year olds who have no concept of social distancing.

    It will be interesting to see the difference in cases where kids aren't being forced back, in Hartlepool, Liverpool etc, and the rest of the country. I personally wouldn't be happy to see them back until every MP is crammed into the Commons without a single thought about infection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Start the school year in September, if the conditions are right.

    Comparing us to Denmark is ridiculous. They are down to around 10 deaths per day.

    Although it is most endearing that this government is so concerned about the well-being of state school children. All these people who suddenly care about child abuse and poverty, where were they when 4m children were going hungry, when schools couldn’t afford to open on Fridays and had to beg parents for pencils, when child services were cut?

    If the government is so convinced that kids aren't super-spreaders, and there's no evidence they'll pass on the virus, why not open all schools? Why not allow them to see grandparents?

    The major difference, as far as I'm concerned, is that the parents can't go back to work unless they've got rid of the kids. Like everything else this government does, it's an experiment, see how far they can go. All those 'low skilled workers' need to get off furlough. So get to work. Blue collar workers who can't sit behind Zoom? Get back on the trains. Privately educated kids? Open when you think it is safe. State school kids? Oh we are so concerned about them. Get them back in classrooms.

    No football until it's 100% safe. State school kids? Have a mingle, see how you go on. Especially 5 year olds who have no concept of social distancing.

    It will be interesting to see the difference in cases where kids aren't being forced back, in Hartlepool, Liverpool etc, and the rest of the country. I personally wouldn't be happy to see them back until every MP is crammed into the Commons without a single thought about infection.
    Comparison to Denmark probably is valid, the population there is less than a tenth of this country.
    The problem is Government Advice, the schools closed down because they had no staff because the Government told the them that they should self isolate if they were in a vulnerable group or had a person at home who was vulnerable, this advice hasn't changed so if / when they reopen they will still have this problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Comparison to Denmark probably is valid, the population there is less than a tenth of this country.
    I'm not so sure. I've been reading and hearing a lot about 'excess deaths' being a truer picture of differences between countries. Even with the difference in population, we've had over 50,000 excess deaths (probably more since this was in the FT). Denmark has 200.

    Given that we are just about the worst in the world at handling this pandemic (after the USA of course), I don't think we are in any state to be sending kids to school. In fact, in excess deaths, we are the absolute worst in the world.

    Agree with the rest though. Even by the government's own 5 step chart, the virus is still out there among the general population. We are at #4, I think. I don't see the sense in sending anyone anywhere until we drop to #2 at least.

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    There are too many variables to measure whilst still in the crisis.

    We do know the people who suffer the most are not young white UK born
    non manual nuclear family members.

    The key could be age or health or immunity or repeated contact with infection from a carrier of the virus.

    Just remember.

    The UK has over 3 million EU migrants the rest of Europe has just over 1 million.

    Covid-19 deaths per million population highest in Europe is Italy and Belguim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    I'm not so sure. I've been reading and hearing a lot about 'excess deaths' being a truer picture of differences between countries. Even with the difference in population, we've had over 50,000 excess deaths (probably more since this was in the FT). Denmark has 200.

    Given that we are just about the worst in the world at handling this pandemic (after the USA of course), I don't think we are in any state to be sending kids to school. In fact, in excess deaths, we are the absolute worst in the world.

    Agree with the rest though. Even by the government's own 5 step chart, the virus is still out there among the general population. We are at #4, I think. I don't see the sense in sending anyone anywhere until we drop to #2 at least.
    Are the world excess death rates published?
    Linky please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Are the world excess death rates published?
    Linky please?
    Its all a bit irrelevant to be honest.

    Our excess deaths are not really surprising, considering our population density is close to 246 people per sq.kilometre

    (Spain is 93 and Italy is 199 for comparison )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Are the world excess death rates published?
    Linky please?

    The Government National Statistics has the number of deaths for the UK showing numbers for the same period for the past five years or more. The numbers this year for December to March, are lower than the deaths in each of the previous five years.

    The graphic representation of this virus shown in the same reference, shows that there was a peak in the last week of March 2020, and that the number of deaths has tailed off since. At the same time the danger level of the virus was downgraded:

    UK Government officially (and quietly) downgrades COVID-19 ...


    "And yet, the British government has reclassified Covid-19 as less of a consequence than SARS (total global deaths recorded 774), MERS (total global deaths recorded 600), – along with Avian Influenza H7N9, H5N1, H5N6, and H7N7. Listed as High Consequence Infectious Disease (HCID) is even the Andes Virus Infection (possible one global death
    ) which infected just four people in the UK with no known deaths" True Publica, www,gov.uk

    Covid - 19 has been further downgraded as it is no longer referred to as such, just merely coronavirus, which is the name given to a family of viruses including the common cold. (See all media reviews)






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