The Dominic Cummings Affair in one sentence.

[local]

Corbyn was more interesting than Starmer, who has demonstrably poor judgment and character.

He supported Corbyn and his record losing attempt for government.

He supported subverting democracy.

How can anyone take the risk of voting for someone who supported destroying peoples democratic votes, the bedrock of democracy.

[Alikado]

Is it the same thing?

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"For a minister, the consequences of defying the party whip are absolute: they are dismissed from their job immediately if they have not already resigned, and return to being a backbencher. Sometimes their votes in Parliament are called the "payroll vote", because they can be taken for granted."

No, Ministers are MP's who get paid as a MP and an additional salary for being a Minister, the Leader of the Opposition also receives a salary but the 'Shadow Minister's only receive the basic MP's pay.

[Hamble]

No, Ministers are MP's who get paid as a MP and an additional salary for being a Minister, the Leader of the Opposition also receives a salary but the 'Shadow Minister's only receive the basic MP's pay.

Wiki
On Sunday 26 June and Monday 27 June 2016, a number of members of the shadow cabinet either resigned or were sacked. This process began with Jeremy Corbyn sacking Hilary Benn as Shadow Foreign Secretary in the early hours of Sunday morning after Corbyn informed Benn that he knew Benn had been constructing a coup against the Leadership during the run up to the vote to leave the European Union. Subsequently, the following resigned (in chronological order):

Heidi Alexander – Shadow Health Secretary[12][13][14]
Gloria De Piero – Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Registration[13][14]
Ian Murray – Shadow Scottish Secretary[13][14]
Lilian Greenwood – Shadow Transport Secretary[13][14]
Lucy Powell – Shadow Education Secretary[13][14]
Kerry McCarthy – Shadow Environment Secretary[13][14]
Seema Malhotra – Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury[13][14]
Vernon Coaker – Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary[13][14]
Charles Falconer – Shadow Justice Secretary[13][14]
Karl Turner – Shadow Attorney General[13][14]
Chris Bryant – Shadow Leader of the House of Commons[13][14]
Diana Johnson – Shadow Foreign and Commonwealth Minister[14]
On 27 June:

Lisa Nandy – Shadow Energy Secretary[13][14]
Owen Smith – Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary[13][14]
Angela Eagle – Shadow First Secretary of State and Shadow Business Secretary[13][14]
John Healey – Shadow Minister for Housing and Planning[13][14]
Nia Griffith – Shadow Welsh Secretary[13][14]
Maria Eagle – Shadow Culture Secretary[13][14]
Kate Green – Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities[13][14]
Luciana Berger – Shadow Minister for Mental Health[13][14]
On 29 June:

Pat Glass – new Shadow Education Secretary[14]
All cited concerns over the EU vote and Corbyn's leadership.[12][citation needed]

Lords leader Angela Smith of Basildon and Lords chief whip Steve Bassam stated they would boycott shadow cabinet meetings while Jeremy Corbyn remained leader. They remained members of the shadow cabinet as these positions are elected by the Labour members of the upper chamber. They returned to attending shadow cabinet four months later.[1

[Alikado]

Wiki
On Sunday 26 June and Monday 27 June 2016, a number of members of the shadow cabinet either resigned or were sacked. This process began with Jeremy Corbyn sacking Hilary Benn as Shadow Foreign Secretary in the early hours of Sunday morning after Corbyn informed Benn that he knew Benn had been constructing a coup against the Leadership during the run up to the vote to leave the European Union. Subsequently, the following resigned (in chronological order):

Heidi Alexander – Shadow Health Secretary[12][13][14]
Gloria De Piero – Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Registration[13][14]
Ian Murray – Shadow Scottish Secretary[13][14]
Lilian Greenwood – Shadow Transport Secretary[13][14]
Lucy Powell – Shadow Education Secretary[13][14]
Kerry McCarthy – Shadow Environment Secretary[13][14]
Seema Malhotra – Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury[13][14]
Vernon Coaker – Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary[13][14]
Charles Falconer – Shadow Justice Secretary[13][14]
Karl Turner – Shadow Attorney General[13][14]
Chris Bryant – Shadow Leader of the House of Commons[13][14]
Diana Johnson – Shadow Foreign and Commonwealth Minister[14]
On 27 June:

Lisa Nandy – Shadow Energy Secretary[13][14]
Owen Smith – Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary[13][14]
Angela Eagle – Shadow First Secretary of State and Shadow Business Secretary[13][14]
John Healey – Shadow Minister for Housing and Planning[13][14]
Nia Griffith – Shadow Welsh Secretary[13][14]
Maria Eagle – Shadow Culture Secretary[13][14]
Kate Green – Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities[13][14]
Luciana Berger – Shadow Minister for Mental Health[13][14]
On 29 June:

Pat Glass – new Shadow Education Secretary[14]
All cited concerns over the EU vote and Corbyn's leadership.[12][citation needed]

Lords leader Angela Smith of Basildon and Lords chief whip Steve Bassam stated they would boycott shadow cabinet meetings while Jeremy Corbyn remained leader. They remained members of the shadow cabinet as these positions are elected by the Labour members of the upper chamber. They returned to attending shadow cabinet four months later.[1

Not sacked - only had the unpaid position of being a spokesperson on a particular area taken away.

[silver fox]

Wiki
On Sunday 26 June and Monday 27 June 2016, a number of members of the shadow cabinet either resigned or were sacked. This process began with Jeremy Corbyn sacking Hilary Benn as Shadow Foreign Secretary in the early hours of Sunday morning after Corbyn informed Benn that he knew Benn had been constructing a coup against the Leadership during the run up to the vote to leave the European Union. Subsequently, the following resigned (in chronological order):

Heidi Alexander – Shadow Health Secretary[12][13][14]
Gloria De Piero – Shadow Minister for Young People and Voter Registration[13][14]
Ian Murray – Shadow Scottish Secretary[13][14]
Lilian Greenwood – Shadow Transport Secretary[13][14]
Lucy Powell – Shadow Education Secretary[13][14]
Kerry McCarthy – Shadow Environment Secretary[13][14]
Seema Malhotra – Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury[13][14]
Vernon Coaker – Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary[13][14]
Charles Falconer – Shadow Justice Secretary[13][14]
Karl Turner – Shadow Attorney General[13][14]
Chris Bryant – Shadow Leader of the House of Commons[13][14]
Diana Johnson – Shadow Foreign and Commonwealth Minister[14]
On 27 June:

Lisa Nandy – Shadow Energy Secretary[13][14]
Owen Smith – Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary[13][14]
Angela Eagle – Shadow First Secretary of State and Shadow Business Secretary[13][14]
John Healey – Shadow Minister for Housing and Planning[13][14]
Nia Griffith – Shadow Welsh Secretary[13][14]
Maria Eagle – Shadow Culture Secretary[13][14]
Kate Green – Shadow Minister for Women and Equalities[13][14]
Luciana Berger – Shadow Minister for Mental Health[13][14]
On 29 June:

Pat Glass – new Shadow Education Secretary[14]
All cited concerns over the EU vote and Corbyn's leadership.[12][citation needed]

Lords leader Angela Smith of Basildon and Lords chief whip Steve Bassam stated they would boycott shadow cabinet meetings while Jeremy Corbyn remained leader. They remained members of the shadow cabinet as these positions are elected by the Labour members of the upper chamber. They returned to attending shadow cabinet four months later.[1

FFS what the hell has any of this got to do with Cummings? Anything, anything at all to distract the conversation away from Cummings, you really are obsessed.

[Hamble]

Not sacked - only had the unpaid position of being a spokesperson on a particular area taken away.

"On Sunday 26 June and Monday 27 June 2016, a number of members of the shadow cabinet either resigned or were sacked."

Did you miss this bit?

[Alikado]

"On Sunday 26 June and Monday 27 June 2016, a number of members of the shadow cabinet either resigned or were sacked."

Did you miss this bit?

No, they are only honoury positions occupied by hopefuls trying to position themselves to climb the greasy pole.

[Hamble]

[QUOTE=Alikado;6730457]No, they are only honoury positions occupied by hopefuls trying to position themselves to climb the greasy pole./QUOTE]


It's unanimous.
The leader of the opposition sacked Hilary Benn.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-jeremy-corbyn

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36632539

https://www.businessinsider.com/jere...16-6?r=US&IR=T

https://labourlist.org/2016/06/hilar...-plot-rumours/

[Toodles McGinty]

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It's unanimous.
The leader of the opposition sacked Hilary Benn.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-jeremy-corbyn

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36632539

https://www.businessinsider.com/jere...16-6?r=US&IR=T

https://labourlist.org/2016/06/hilar...-plot-rumours/

He's still an MP.

What has this got to do with Cummings?

[silver fox]

[QUOTE=Toodles McGinty;6730560]

He's still an MP.

What has this got to do with Cummings?

Not a damn thing, distraction tactics to the fore.

[Hamble]

He's still an MP.

What has this got to do with Cummings?

Alikado and Hamble were discussing whether an MP could be 'sacked'.

Alikado was outnumbered.

[silver fox]

Alikado and Hamble were discussing whether an MP could be 'sacked'.

Alikado was outnumbered.

You may want to discuss sacking MPs, Cummings is not an MP, any attempted comparison is not relevant.

[Hamble]

He's still an MP.

What has this got to do with Cummings?

?

Benn was sacked from his position as Shadow Foreign Secretary.


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"On 25 June 2016, The Observer revealed that Benn "called fellow MPs over the weekend to suggest that he will ask Corbyn to stand down if there is significant support for a move against the leader. He has also asked shadow cabinet colleagues to join him in resigning if the Labour leader ignores that request."[62] During a phone call in the early hours of 26 June, Benn told Corbyn that Labour MPs and shadow cabinet members had "no confidence in our ability to win the election" under his leadership. Corbyn then dismissed Benn from his position as Shadow Foreign Secretary. In a statement issued at 03:30, Benn said: "It has now become clear that there is widespread concern among Labour MPs and in the shadow cabinet about Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of our party. In particular, there is no confidence in our ability to win the next election, which may come much sooner than expected, if Jeremy continues as leader."[63] Later in the morning, Heidi Alexander, the Shadow Secretary of State for Health, also resigned. Throughout the day, a further eight members of the shadow cabinet resigned."

[Toodles McGinty]

?

Benn was sacked from his position as Shadow Foreign Secretary.


Quote wiki
"On 25 June 2016, The Observer revealed that Benn "called fellow MPs over the weekend to suggest that he will ask Corbyn to stand down if there is significant support for a move against the leader. He has also asked shadow cabinet colleagues to join him in resigning if the Labour leader ignores that request."[62] During a phone call in the early hours of 26 June, Benn told Corbyn that Labour MPs and shadow cabinet members had "no confidence in our ability to win the election" under his leadership. Corbyn then dismissed Benn from his position as Shadow Foreign Secretary. In a statement issued at 03:30, Benn said: "It has now become clear that there is widespread concern among Labour MPs and in the shadow cabinet about Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of our party. In particular, there is no confidence in our ability to win the next election, which may come much sooner than expected, if Jeremy continues as leader."[63] Later in the morning, Heidi Alexander, the Shadow Secretary of State for Health, also resigned. Throughout the day, a further eight members of the shadow cabinet resigned."

They were removed from the shadow cabinet, not sacked as MPs. If they have a cabinet re-shuffle, have those MPs been 'sacked'?

But what has that to do with Cummings, apart from shoehorning Corbyn in there again?