Trump is on the way to growing a small moustache

[Hamble]

The article puts a more realistic slant on any fascist style rise

"the centre left was a greater danger than the right"

the discord and violence on our streets now is certainly based in the politics of the left from the anti-capitalists on if you want violence and damage that's where you will find it.

We should learn from history and be wary of letting the left run amok in our streets stirring up discourse.

I wonder what Labour's reply to BLM 's 'Defunding the police' demand is?

[silver fox]

The article puts a more realistic slant on any fascist style rise

"the centre left was a greater danger than the right"

the discord and violence on our streets now is certainly based in the politics of the left from the anti-capitalists on if you want violence and damage that's where you will find it.

We should learn from history and be wary of letting the left run amok in our streets stirring up discourse.

You're quoting someone's opinion and political ideology as a fact, that is not the case, certainly the leaders of what was in fact a communist party in Germany were, at fault in believing that they and they alone represented the will of the nation.

It wasn't the centre left who let Hitler in by default, rather the refusal by the communists to co-operate and work alongside others, thereby splitting the left wing vote.

Of course in your little world every left wing campaigner is an anarchist or terrorist, I understand your constant support and apologies for Trump, as bad as McCarthy, remember "reds under the beds" if you weren't staunch Republican, then you were clearly a communist agitator, paranoia is a terrible disease whatever it's origins.

[said]

There seems to be some general misunderstanding about this order so I post a link for people to read it themselves rather than the "interpretations" we are getting;

https://www.whitehouse.gov/president...ne-censorship/

All very well - until you remember that Twitter originated in the States and it is based there. Hard to believe that the USA cannot control its own corporations.

[Toodles McGinty]

First of all I apologise-I meant anti Trump supporters don't know how it came out wrong.

Here is a link from Israel Today.


https://www.israelhayom.com/2020/07/...ask-from-site/

Thanks H.

[Alikado]

All very well - until you remember that Twitter originated in the States and it is based there. Hard to believe that the USA cannot control its own corporations.

Twitter, Faecebook, Google and all the the other big tech companies are not based permanantly anywhere only where it is currently convienient, if Trump tried to ban Twitter it would be based overseas in an instant. Access would be almost impossible to stop many already use the likes of Con's, these companies are becoming bigger than Governments.

[Toodles McGinty]

I wonder what Labour's reply to BLM 's 'Defunding the police' demand is?

Not sure what Labour's response is to most things yet.

Starmer has supported BLM, but dismissed calls to 'defund the police' as nonsense. He was criticised for that, but stated as DPP for five years, he's a staunch supporter of them.

I suppose that depends on your interpretation of 'defund'. I doubt anyone thinks it means disband the police, or drain them of support. It has worked in some cities where funds have been diverted to other departments, leaving the police free to solve actual crime, rather than parking violations or cats up trees. Or where someone rings the police to report a homeless person hanging around, they send key workers to find shelter and support, rather than an officer to throw someone in jail for the night.

There's also the argument that funding social projects more reduces petty crime and, again, frees the police to more important jobs. I suppose that also frees up time for paperwork too.

I think that 'reform' should be the description, rather than 'defund'.

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You're quoting someone's opinion and political ideology as a fact, that is not the case, certainly the leaders of what was in fact a communist party in Germany were, at fault in believing that they and they alone represented the will of the nation.

It wasn't the centre left who let Hitler in by default, rather the refusal by the communists to co-operate and work alongside others, thereby splitting the left wing vote.

Of course in your little world every left wing campaigner is an anarchist or terrorist, I understand your constant support and apologies for Trump, as bad as McCarthy, remember "reds under the beds" if you weren't staunch Republican, then you were clearly a communist agitator, paranoia is a terrible disease whatever it's origins.

Nope just my opinion but its hard to ignore the evidence before our eyes if you see large destructive mobs on our streets then it's not from the right its the non contributors with their hands out.

If you want much smaller groups of bellicose fat oiks in white trainers then the right will provide.

I give objectivity only to the Trump phenomenon and do not follow the sheep with their wall of ill thought anti- Trump noise .

I was reading today about his tearing down of entrenched racism in one of his developments.

But still I remain objective and see his deliberately divisive and uncompromising tone.

Just as I see every left winger is not an anarchist or terrorist.

[Hamble]

Not sure what Labour's response is to most things yet.

Starmer has supported BLM, but dismissed calls to 'defund the police' as nonsense. He was criticised for that, but stated as DPP for five years, he's a staunch supporter of them.

I suppose that depends on your interpretation of 'defund'. I doubt anyone thinks it means disband the police, or drain them of support. It has worked in some cities where funds have been diverted to other departments, leaving the police free to solve actual crime, rather than parking violations or cats up trees. Or where someone rings the police to report a homeless person hanging around, they send key workers to find shelter and support, rather than an officer to throw someone in jail for the night.

There's also the argument that funding social projects more reduces petty crime and, again, frees the police to more important jobs. I suppose that also frees up time for paperwork too.

I think that 'reform' should be the description, rather than 'defund'.

British BLM seems to have used the American template and expressions
which does not always work in their favour.

[Alikado]

Not sure what Labour's response is to most things yet.

Starmer has supported BLM, but dismissed calls to 'defund the police' as nonsense. He was criticised for that, but stated as DPP for five years, he's a staunch supporter of them.

I suppose that depends on your interpretation of 'defund'. I doubt anyone thinks it means disband the police, or drain them of support. It has worked in some cities where funds have been diverted to other departments, leaving the police free to solve actual crime, rather than parking violations or cats up trees. Or where someone rings the police to report a homeless person hanging around, they send key workers to find shelter and support, rather than an officer to throw someone in jail for the night.

There's also the argument that funding social projects more reduces petty crime and, again, frees the police to more important jobs. I suppose that also frees up time for paperwork too.

I think that 'reform' should be the description, rather than 'defund'.

Reform is definitely needed, the 'militarisation' of the Police needs reversing, I know they need protection but there are too many 'Robocops' and 'Rambos' around. The armed policing needs to be transferred over to the military along with diplomatic protection & air support etc, this would slim down Police Management. This would possibly save money as the duplication of training between the 2 organisations would be cut down and the military would be more ready for deployment as they would have already experienced live environment training. I expect that Police Pay is higher than the military as well so that would be further savings.

[sandGroundZero]

Re: Alikado's post #39: "Reform is definitely needed, the 'militarisation' of the Police needs reversing, …The armed policing needs to be transferred over to the military …" — a thoroughly retrograde step; you'd have a paramilitary force. NOT kind of reform any civil society needs.

[Alikado]

Re: Alikado's post #39: "Reform is definitely needed, the 'militarisation' of the Police needs reversing, …The armed policing needs to be transferred over to the military …" — a thoroughly retrograde step; you'd have a paramilitary force. NOT kind of reform any civil society needs.

That is what we have now, it needs reversing.