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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    And this contradiction.

    "I deliberately pointed out in my posts that this case has nothing to do with Covid-19, "



    "You may remember that Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick was the first minister to come to public attention when he visited his parents' house during lockdown to deliver 'medicines'."
    Sigh.

    I only mentioned it to jog people's memories as to who he was. The planning permission case has nothing to do with Covid and you know that full well. So how on earth is it a contradiction? I said it has nothing to do with Covid and it hasn't.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Hector View Post
    Thank you for spotting that. Outrageous to throw that in.
    Sigh.

    It was an extreme example of whataboutery - sorry if you don't do irony, but you do seem to do mockrage.

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    If both parents were incapacitated where else would the local authority send them .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    Sigh.

    Because it's as extreme an example of whataboutery that I can think of - you don't have to take it literally.
    None the wiser as it does not fit the definition.

    If you do not want a statement to be taken literally best not to use a true event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    If both parents were incapacitated where else would the local authority send them .
    This thread isn’t about Cummings and certainly not a discussion ref his son.

    I think we are all aware that the Cummings affair is being buried, covered over and hopefully forgotten.

  7. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    None the wiser as it does not fit the definition.

    If you do not want a statement to be taken literally best not to use a true event.
    I thought that any intelligent person would see it was ironic.

    Obviously not, so thanks for the advice .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    Sigh.

    I only mentioned it to jog people's memories as to who he was. The planning permission case has nothing to do with Covid and you know that full well. So how on earth is it a contradiction? I said it has nothing to do with Covid and it hasn't.

    Quote Lampy
    "You may remember that Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick was the first minister to come to public attention when he visited his parents' house during lockdown to deliver 'medicines'."


    The public must have known about him before to elect as an M.P

    Then you complained when Clive used similar examples of lockdown 'breaking'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    I thought that any intelligent person would see it was ironic.

    Obviously not, so thanks for the advice .
    Only if they had a warped sense of humour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Quote Lampy
    "You may remember that Housing Secretary Robert Jenrick was the first minister to come to public attention when he visited his parents' house during lockdown to deliver 'medicines'."


    The public must have known about him before to elect as an M.P

    Then you complained when Clive used similar examples of lockdown 'breaking'.
    You still don't get it, do you?

    The thread wasn't about Covid, it was about Robert Jenrick.

    I only mentioned him in relation to the lockdown to trigger people's memories. I don't know how many of 'the public' other than his constituents have ever heard of him, but I can't imagine it's many.

    You're really clutching at straws to try and perpetuate a silly argument, but at least you haven't mentioned Labour or Corbyn ..... yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Kinnock should be sacked. The Liverpool councillors should be sacked (I believe one has resigned). Jenrick should be sacked. And Cummings most definitely should.

    If not, Neil Ferguson and Catherine Calderwood should be reinstated.

    "Off with their heads - the whole damn lot of them!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    Sigh.

    It was an extreme example of whataboutery - sorry if you don't do irony, but you do seem to do mockrage.
    There are two problems with using this as an example of that rhetorical device.

    Firstly, many people think it simply means 'exaggeration', or do not understand it at all -- which is perhaps the reason why you felt it necessary to tell the poster what you thought he was doing.

    Secondly, Holocaust denial is so rampant that in the region of 100,000,000 Americans have got it into their heads that the figure is a wild exaggeration; and it's highly possible that a good many Brits think along similar lines.

    In other words, if you want to exemplify 'whataboutism' be a bit smarter in your choice of example.

    On a jokey forum such as this, it'd be a lot wiser not to choose outrageous occurrences to help you win an argument that you are only having anyway because you are in the mood for a bit of fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    You still don't get it, do you?

    The thread wasn't about Covid, it was about Robert Jenrick.

    I only mentioned him in relation to the lockdown to trigger people's memories. I don't know how many of 'the public' other than his constituents have ever heard of him, but I can't imagine it's many.

    You're really clutching at straws to try and perpetuate a silly argument, but at least you haven't mentioned Labour or Corbyn ..... yet

    Robert Jenrick has held the daily Government briefing to the Nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hector View Post
    There are two problems with using this as an example of that rhetorical device.

    Firstly, many people think it simply means 'exaggeration', or do not understand it at all -- which is perhaps the reason why you felt it necessary to tell the poster what you thought he was doing.

    Secondly, Holocaust denial is so rampant that in the region of 100,000,000 Americans have got it into their heads that the figure is a wild exaggeration; and it's highly possible that a good many Brits think along similar lines.

    In other words, if you want to exemplify 'whataboutism' be a bit smarter in your choice of example.

    On a jokey forum such as this, it'd be a lot wiser not to choose outrageous occurrences to help you win an argument that you are only having anyway because you are in the mood for a bit of fun.

    Wow - advice from another poster - I'm doing well today!

    Once again, it wasn't meant literally, so no need to lecture me on the holocaust. I was suggesting to the poster that he may as well go the whole 'Godwin's Law' hog and quote Hitler as another example of his whataboutery. If you don't see that, then I suggest that you take things too literally.

    In terms of advice, I'd like to return the favour. Stop using the phrase 'many people' as if you've conducted an official poll. It makes you look more and more like Said, as it's a phrase he uses often.

    By the way, I'm not so childish as to want to 'win arguments'.

    Edit: due to the outbreak of mockrage on here, I have edited the offending post so that it's now hopefully 'outraged-of-Tunbridge-Wells-proof'.

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    Jenrick is now back at his mansion in Herefordshire, one of 18 places that according to the ONS stats hasn't yet reached it's peak, Preston and Wyre are two more!

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...reach-18330148
    Last edited by Alikado; 30/05/2020 at 09:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamparilla View Post
    You still don't get it, do you?

    The thread wasn't about Covid, it was about Robert Jenrick.

    I only mentioned him in relation to the lockdown to trigger people's memories. I don't know how many of 'the public' other than his constituents have ever heard of him, but I can't imagine it's many.

    You're really clutching at straws to try and perpetuate a silly argument, but at least you haven't mentioned Labour or Corbyn ..... yet
    It was going to happen anyway - if not Jenrick, then there are dozens who would step in his shoes. The Isle of Dogs has always been a haphazard mass of construction.
    "The Isle of Dogs has the fastest population growth rate anywhere in the EU, with its current 40,000 population set to reach 100,000 in the next 10 years. One street alone, Marsh Wall, where 4,000 people live, is set to house 40,000 in the next decade."

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