The Way Forward

[duncet]

There's no doubt that the majority of our sane minded people are against obsessive political correctness and the abolition of free speech. The reason why PC has overtaken sanity is because the national press and broadcasting media like anything that stirs up controversy and they seize upon any social media comment - generally feigning grievance - that they can develop into a huge story. If, at the end of the line, they can cajole some politician or well known person into giving an "apology", when no apology is relevant, then they consider that that adds to the "legitimacy" of their concocted story/grievance.
Most normal people just shrug their shoulders and resign themselves to reluctantly accept that this is the way the world is turning but what does it say about the future of our country?
There are a small number of people who despise our country and all our traditions. They might be small in number but they have the loudest voices. Why can't we/they be proud of our countries achievements? We have a lot to be proud of.
If we have made mistakes in the past - if - then that past is now relegated to history. We can't change history so it cannot be erased. Lets unite and be proud of our country and its traditions.
That's not a political statement but a statement of optimism that we should all work towards a strong and proud future together without the divisions and hate that some factions try to create.
We cannot change the past but we can mould the future.
I am a patriot and I will continue to sing "Rule Brittania" and "Land of Hope & Glory". Are you with me?

[Hamble]

There's no doubt that the majority of our sane minded people are against obsessive political correctness and the abolition of free speech. The reason why PC has overtaken sanity is because the national press and broadcasting media like anything that stirs up controversy and they seize upon any social media comment - generally feigning grievance - that they can develop into a huge story. If, at the end of the line, they can cajole some politician or well known person into giving an "apology", when no apology is relevant, then they consider that that adds to the "legitimacy" of their concocted story/grievance.
Most normal people just shrug their shoulders and resign themselves to reluctantly accept that this is the way the world is turning but what does it say about the future of our country?
There are a small number of people who despise our country and all our traditions. They might be small in number but they have the loudest voices. Why can't we/they be proud of our countries achievements? We have a lot to be proud of.
If we have made mistakes in the past - if - then that past is now relegated to history. We can't change history so it cannot be erased. Lets unite and be proud of our country and its traditions.
That's not a political statement but a statement of optimism that we should all work towards a strong and proud future together without the divisions and hate that some factions try to create.
We cannot change the past but we can mould the future.
I am a patriot and I will continue to sing "Rule Brittania" and "Land of Hope & Glory". Are you with me?

Yes I will continue to sing those songs.

It would be a shame if the zealots spoilt things for the majority.
I would rather see Black and ethnic minorities enjoying themselves
at the Last night of the proms than boycotting it.

[Toodles McGinty]

There's no doubt that the majority of our sane minded people are against obsessive political correctness and the abolition of free speech. The reason why PC has overtaken sanity is because the national press and broadcasting media like anything that stirs up controversy and they seize upon any social media comment - generally feigning grievance - that they can develop into a huge story. If, at the end of the line, they can cajole some politician or well known person into giving an "apology", when no apology is relevant, then they consider that that adds to the "legitimacy" of their concocted story/grievance.
Most normal people just shrug their shoulders and resign themselves to reluctantly accept that this is the way the world is turning but what does it say about the future of our country?
There are a small number of people who despise our country and all our traditions. They might be small in number but they have the loudest voices. Why can't we/they be proud of our countries achievements? We have a lot to be proud of.
If we have made mistakes in the past - if - then that past is now relegated to history. We can't change history so it cannot be erased. Lets unite and be proud of our country and its traditions.
That's not a political statement but a statement of optimism that we should all work towards a strong and proud future together without the divisions and hate that some factions try to create.
We cannot change the past but we can mould the future.
I am a patriot and I will continue to sing "Rule Brittania" and "Land of Hope & Glory". Are you with me?

If anyone tells you you can't sing 'Land of Hope & Glory', tell them to sod off.

[said]

There's no doubt that the majority of our sane minded people are against obsessive political correctness and the abolition of free speech. The reason why PC has overtaken sanity is because the national press and broadcasting media like anything that stirs up controversy and they seize upon any social media comment - generally feigning grievance - that they can develop into a huge story. If, at the end of the line, they can cajole some politician or well known person into giving an "apology", when no apology is relevant, then they consider that that adds to the "legitimacy" of their concocted story/grievance.
Most normal people just shrug their shoulders and resign themselves to reluctantly accept that this is the way the world is turning but what does it say about the future of our country?
There are a small number of people who despise our country and all our traditions. They might be small in number but they have the loudest voices. Why can't we/they be proud of our countries achievements? We have a lot to be proud of.
If we have made mistakes in the past - if - then that past is now relegated to history. We can't change history so it cannot be erased. Lets unite and be proud of our country and its traditions.
That's not a political statement but a statement of optimism that we should all work towards a strong and proud future together without the divisions and hate that some factions try to create.
We cannot change the past but we can mould the future.
I am a patriot and I will continue to sing "Rule Brittania" and "Land of Hope & Glory". Are you with me?

With you? I have been ahead of you for some years now. I agree with everything you say. It is either that the media have far more power now than they have in the past, or that the media is dancing to some puppeteers tune. It is a known marketing ploy that who has control of the media, controls the people - this is particularly evident at this present time.

The British nation may have become diluted by an influx of those who neither understand nor realise that there exists a very strong cohesion among the people of the UK, but as recent voting has shown it still exists within the population and is as strong as ever. These are people of like minds who know the media cannot be trusted so they pay little heed to it. These are the people who are proud of their heritage and those who created it. There is not one country that can claim that mistakes have not been made in their past - the UK is no different. "Land of Hope and Glory"and "Rule Brittania" signify our pride, anyone who disagrees should not be in our Green and Pleasant Land. Hopefully, the few PC advocates that do exist - will learn from their foolishness and over time will crawl away and disappear completely - nothing will ever destroy our freedom and happiness.

[rainydaze]

I’m pretty sure that I read, some time ago, that mill workers in the north west went on strike as they didn’t want to deal with cotton picked by slaves. If anyone can verify this, or posts links ( ‘cos I ‘m old and can’t !) then please do. If this is true, then I think they deserve statues in their honour, as it was obviously a very brave thing to do. ( Still sitting up with my geese, watching out for the f*****g fox ! )

[seivad]

I’m pretty sure that I read, some time ago, that mill workers in the north west went on strike as they didn’t want to deal with cotton picked by slaves. If anyone can verify this, or posts links ( ‘cos I ‘m old and can’t !) then please do. If this is true, then I think they deserve statues in their honour, as it was obviously a very brave thing to do. ( Still sitting up with my geese, watching out for the f*****g fox ! )

It wasn't a strike. It was during the time of the cotton famine, which was at the time of the American Civil War. Many mills were closed and workers were practically starving to death. In many ways they were slaves themselves. They certainly weren't treated much better. Terrible times.

The Union side had imposed a naval blockade on the Southern Confederate states. The mill owners wanted the Royal Navy to break through the blockade to get the cotton they desperately needed to ramp up production again. They ordered the mill workers to support them, but despite the dreadful poverty they were in due to the cotton famine, they refused to back it. Some people might say that in refusing to support it they were making things even worse for themselves, which they were. I say that they were brave, selfless, principled people, who deserve to be honoured.

There is a statue of Abraham Lincoln in Manchester, inscribed with the words he wrote to thank the people for what they had done. You can read about it on the link below.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-21057494

Hope your FF stays away from your geese. We have lots of foxes here. Beautiful creatures though they are, I hate seeing them coming through our property with a critter in their mouth, usually a poor squirrel.

[rainydaze]

Thanks Seivad. X

[said]

I’m pretty sure that I read, some time ago, that mill workers in the north west went on strike as they didn’t want to deal with cotton picked by slaves. If anyone can verify this, or posts links ( ‘cos I ‘m old and can’t !) then please do. If this is true, then I think they deserve statues in their honour, as it was obviously a very brave thing to do. ( Still sitting up with my geese, watching out for the f*****g fox ! )

THE BRITISH SLAVE TRADE
This remarkable story raises a simple but crucial question: why did the British turn against slavery and the slave trade? Part of the reason is undoubtedly the rise of compassionate humanitarianism, particularly amongst an increasingly leisured middle class. Scholars also point to the influence of Nonconformist religion, on the one hand, and Evangelical Protestantism, on the other. But of greater significance was a shift in economic thought. In the British case slavery flourished because West Indian planters were effectively subsidised by the British taxpayer. By the late 1820s, when many Britons began to see the benefits of a world economy untrammelled by restrictions and controls, such privileges seemed outmoded and frankly unwarranted. Indeed, it is probably true to say that the British slave system was 'not so much rendered unprofitable, but by-passed by the changing economic and social order in Britain'. BBC

[Alikado]

THE BRITISH SLAVE TRADE
This remarkable story raises a simple but crucial question: why did the British turn against slavery and the slave trade? Part of the reason is undoubtedly the rise of compassionate humanitarianism, particularly amongst an increasingly leisured middle class. Scholars also point to the influence of Nonconformist religion, on the one hand, and Evangelical Protestantism, on the other. But of greater significance was a shift in economic thought. In the British case slavery flourished because West Indian planters were effectively subsidised by the British taxpayer. By the late 1820s, when many Britons began to see the benefits of a world economy untrammelled by restrictions and controls, such privileges seemed outmoded and frankly unwarranted. Indeed, it is probably true to say that the British slave system was 'not so much rendered unprofitable, but by-passed by the changing economic and social order in Britain'. BBC

I don't think it it was a case of the British seeing other opportunities it was more like the importation of slaves being prohibited and slavery being progressively abolished.

[said]

I don't think it it was a case of the British seeing other opportunities it was more like the importation of slaves being prohibited and slavery being progressively abolished.

So are you saying that British people in the 17/18th centuries, had different ideologies to those of the people today? After all, it was only a minority of business people involved in the slave trade.

Would the people of those times not have known about the slave trade of all nations, all over the World?

During the 17th/18th centuries, the African people were going through a severe drought - there was much starvation and poverty. Would you say that those brought to Europe as slaves escaped those problems?

[salus.populi]

I am a patriot and I will continue to sing "Rule Brittania" and "Land of Hope & Glory". Are you with me?

How often do you sing them and where?
Has anyone told you that you can't sing them?

[sandGroundZero]

I am a patriot and I will continue to sing "Rule Brittania" and "Land of Hope & Glory".
Are you with me? — duncet post #1

Rule, Britannia
Britannia waives the rules …

[Toodles McGinty]

How often do you sing them and where?
Has anyone told you that you can't sing them?

I guarantee that 99.999% of the country, including those who are complaining about the Proms, know the words 'Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves, Britons never never never shall be slaves', and not a single word of the verses.

Same with 'Land of Hope & Glory'.

Nothing wrong with that, of course. I don't personally care who sings it, and if someone told me I couldn't, I'd be ****** off about it.

But let's not pretend these stirring songs are so close to our hearts. I think it's more a reaction to the perception of 'why' they aren't being sung with a full choir, rather than the songs themselves. Mainly the misconception that the conductor didn't want them. After all, if someone said the Proms were cancelled this year, nobody would bat an eyelid.

I like both songs. I'll sing along if they are on TV. Nobody is saying I can't. And if they did, I'd tell them where to go.

[said]

How often do you sing them and where?
Has anyone told you that you can't sing them?

It is not a matter of anyone telling someone they are not allowed to sing these songs - it is more to the point as to why a supposedly national agency should even consider challenging the words or use of them.

At one time, there was no other institution that was classed more as a True British agency other than the - BBC BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation. The British nation has by its very being, always been a conservative nation. At it inception the BBC reflected the same outlook, correct speech, British best behaviour, public decency and respect etc., Now the Corporation has become far more left wing in contradiction of the majority of the British public.

For this institution to even give rise to, or to question that which is an inherent part of our British tradition is a complete insult to anyone British. It is considered to be audacious in its extreme for an agency which is described as British, to turn its back on British traditions. To add insult to injury - they expect people to pay a licence fee for this agency to continue broadcasting insults to the British people - I think not!

People will not act to change that which they are proud of. There has been far too much interference in recent times by those who lack the knowledge of British history and even more damaging is that they are supported by an equally ignorant media.

[silver fox]

It is not a matter of anyone telling someone they are not allowed to sing these songs - it is more to the point as to why a supposedly national agency should even consider challenging the words or use of them.

At one time, there was no other institution that was classed more as a True British agency other than the - BBC BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation. The British nation has by its very being, always been a conservative nation. At it inception the BBC reflected the same outlook, correct speech, British best behaviour, public decency and respect etc., Now the Corporation has become far more left wing in contradiction of the majority of the British public.

For this institution to even give rise to, or to question that which is an inherent part of our British tradition is a complete insult to anyone British. It is considered to be audacious in its extreme for an agency which is described as British, to turn its back on British traditions. To add insult to injury - they expect people to pay a licence fee for this agency to continue broadcasting insults to the British people - I think not!

People will not act to change that which they are proud of. There has been far too much interference in recent times by those who lack the knowledge of British history and even more damaging is that they are supported by an equally ignorant media.

Oh dear untwist your knickers dearie, this year we have an unusual circumstance as regards the Proms, personally don't watch them, nothing to do with patriotism or lack of, more can't be assed watching the hooray henrys.

As regards the assorted songs, I can understand a change due to change of circumstances, I can't agree any change because some prat thinks thinks they are no longer PC.

Where or where do you get the idea that the BBC is left wing or if it comes to that right wing either? particularly when you have some Tory twit demanding another "news" channel with a definite right wing slant.

As far as the license fee is concerned, much, much better value than any of the contracts with any of the other providers, plus you don't get to see the "highly intelligent adverts"

For all "patriots" how many actually know all the words to these intensely "patriotic" songs, or even the National Anthem if comes to that, I would reckon very few.

Sure as a country we have much to be proud of and much not to be proud of, but our history is our history, anyone trying to rewrite it can sod off,