'Child' Drivers Making Mayhem

[silver fox]

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To be fair, I have lobbied both Sefton and central Govt about bringing in a 'green-bike' phase at lights junctions (as in NL). This allows riders to get away before the motor traffic....Sadly, those who wait for the lights to turn green, are sometimes crushed by left-turning vehicles.
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One of your favourites whines, please explain just who in their right minds drives, ride or cycles up the nearside of a left turning vehicle? I witnessed exactly this, cyclist escaped but his bike was definitely fit for scrap only, of course cyclist blaming the truck driver, in truth the driver hadn’t a hope in hell of seeing the cyclist positioned alongside the cab.

Fortunately police also took the view that cyclist was wrong, actual description used when talking to me, “the guys an idiot”.

[The PNP]

A) You see, you just can't help yourself. The number of car-on-car smashes at traffic lights is the result of drivers taking their chance to go through on a very late amber light

B) Being crushed by left-turning vehicles, does this not prove that cyclists have no sense to spot the danger? Draw up alongside a long heavy truck and the trailer unit is destined to be pulled over to the left - it's just simple physics. Additionally, being on a small bike and a truck driver being much higher up, the cyclist is placing themselves where the driver finds it impossible to see them. If you're on a bike stay behind large vehicles and let them go ahead of you.....Is it any wonder large vehicles have to have notices on them telling cyclists not to cycle on their left side as they might get hurt.

A) Not to mention the handful of drivers who accelerate through lights hoping for the best, even after they've gone to red!

B) Yes agree, however truckers blindspots are well known, and I would certainly hesitate to put my bike in that position. But when there's a short piece of cycle-lane provided, people will naturally want to use it. Also, you would be surprised how often car drivers take a left, without checking their left-hand mirror.....

[The PNP]

One of your favourites whines, please explain just who in their right minds drives, ride or cycles up the nearside of a left turning vehicle? I witnessed exactly this, cyclist escaped but his bike was definitely fit for scrap only, of course cyclist blaming the truck driver, in truth the driver hadn’t a hope in hell of seeing the cyclist positioned alongside the cab.

Fortunately police also took the view that cyclist was wrong, actual description used when talking to me, “the guys an idiot”.

At lights or elsewhere, being constantly positioned to the left of motor traffic when riding, is not ideal.....Gridirons, potholes and other defects lurk there. Drivers often overtake too close. And you're first in the firing line if someone pulls out of a side road without looking properly.

We need decent cycle infrastructure, that puts a kerb (or other form of defence) between the motor traffic and vulnerable riders. And like I said earlier, a 'green-bike' phase at lights, to let people get away safely. Those two measures alone, would save many lives and many serious injuries.

[silver fox]

At lights or elsewhere, being constantly positioned to the left of motor traffic when riding, is not ideal.....Gridirons, potholes and other defects lurk there. Drivers often overtake too close. And you're first in the firing line if someone pulls out of a side road without looking properly.

We need decent cycle infrastructure, that puts a kerb (or other form of defence) between the motor traffic and vulnerable riders. And like I said earlier, a 'green-bike' phase at lights, to let people get away safely. Those two measures alone, would save many lives and many serious injuries.

At light controlled junctions, cycle lanes can be a constant problem, cycle lanes do not go through the junction, you certainly love your bike green light idea, tell me what’s wrong with cyclists simply obeying the rules of the road? or is that too difficult to grasp?

I well remember when trucks would carry two signs at the rear, offside read overtaker nearside read undertaker, that was a warning rather than an invitation.

[The PNP]

A) At light controlled junctions, cycle lanes can be a constant problem, cycle lanes do not go through the junction,

B) you certainly love your bike green light idea, tell me what’s wrong with cyclists simply obeying the rules of the road? or is that too difficult to grasp?

A) True. Cycle-lanes do though preferably lead to a wide area reserved just for the bikes, with an ASL (advanced stop line) box.

The idea being, to ride up the inside of the stationary traffic (if they've left enough room!) to attain the safety of the ASL box. Once there, the rider is supposed to be visible to drivers, and will avoid being hit when everyone sets off.......It's a solution that's cheap to install - just a splash of paint and presto! But from a safety angle, it falls far short of what a kerb-separated lane and green-bike phase would offer.

B) Perhaps if the infrastructure was up to scratch, people would be more inclined to behave.....Faced with the choice of setting off early, just before the lights turn green - or waiting and maybe being crushed. It's not surprising some choose the former to ensure survival, as opposed to a possible fine!

[silver fox]

A) True. Cycle-lanes do though preferably lead to a wide area reserved just for the bikes, with an ASL (advanced stop line) box.

The idea being, to ride up the inside of the stationary traffic (if they've left enough room!) to attain the safety of the ASL box. Once there, the rider is supposed to be visible to drivers, and will avoid being hit when everyone sets off.......It's a solution that's cheap to install - just a splash of paint and presto! But from a safety angle, it falls far short of what a kerb-separated lane and green-bike phase would offer.

B) Perhaps if the infrastructure was up to scratch, people would be more inclined to behave.....Faced with the choice of setting off early, just before the lights turn green - or waiting and maybe being crushed. It's not surprising some choose the former to ensure survival, as opposed to a possible fine!

In all honesty don't have a problem with cyclists in their little box at the front, I can see them and what they are doing, the ones who are a bloody menace are the ones sprinting up the inside, then trying to out drag cars leaving the lights.

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One of your favourites whines, please explain just who in their right minds drives, ride or cycles up the nearside of a left turning vehicle? I witnessed exactly this, cyclist escaped but his bike was definitely fit for scrap only, of course cyclist blaming the truck driver, in truth the driver hadn’t a hope in hell of seeing the cyclist positioned alongside the cab.

Fortunately police also took the view that cyclist was wrong, actual description used when talking to me, “the guys an idiot”.

Yes, I have seen cyclists come to grief when they are too close to lorries turning left at junctions. If I am cycling and come up to a lorry which is near to or at a junction, then I wait behind it and let the lorry go first. It is a darned sight bigger than me!

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A) True. Cycle-lanes do though preferably lead to a wide area reserved just for the bikes, with an ASL (advanced stop line) box.

The idea being, to ride up the inside of the stationary traffic (if they've left enough room!) to attain the safety of the ASL box. Once there, the rider is supposed to be visible to drivers, and will avoid being hit when everyone sets off.......It's a solution that's cheap to install - just a splash of paint and presto! But from a safety angle, it falls far short of what a kerb-separated lane and green-bike phase would offer.

B) Perhaps if the infrastructure was up to scratch, people would be more inclined to behave.....Faced with the choice of setting off early, just before the lights turn green - or waiting and maybe being crushed. It's not surprising some choose the former to ensure survival, as opposed to a possible fine!

As a cyclist, you do have to be far more observant than most users on the road because you are far more vulnerable. I do not rely on road markings - I rely on the situations as I see them.

[justbecause]

As a cyclist, you do have to be far more observant than most users on the road because you are far more vulnerable. I do not rely on road markings - I rely on the situations as I see them.

ALL road users have to be observant AND fully focused, all of the time.

[Little Londoner]

At light controlled junctions, cycle lanes can be a constant problem, cycle lanes do not go through the junction, you certainly love your bike green light idea, tell me what’s wrong with cyclists simply obeying the rules of the road? or is that too difficult to grasp?

I well remember when trucks would carry two signs at the rear, offside read overtaker nearside read undertaker, that was a warning rather than an invitation.

Arguing with the idiot just uses up the power the fool wants saving and turning green, better off looking for a brick wall and banging your head on it.
His old chestnut AGAIN cycling infrastructure, WHY have special lanes for cyclists they already have them "PAVEMENTS". The Visitor used to have magistrate court reports "cyclist fined £5 (when a fiver was a weeks wage) for riding on the pavement/without lights/with cycle in a dangerous condition. What reins in the morons now NOTHING. It's about time for a purge on antisocial cycling with fines and confiscation of bikes for a start.

[justbecause]

I agree and i actually believe that children should be educated about driving while at school. They can be educated to value their driving qualification and understand the repercussions of loosing that qualification. Hopefully this would make them more considerate drivers in the future and value their license.

I note with interest that PNP has liked this post in which the poster has stated his belief that children should be taught to drive whilst still at school, and yet he is the one who started this thread by stating that the age at which people should be able to learn to drive, should be INCREASED to 18. In my view, this proves that he hasn’t really got a clue what he’s talking about, and merely posts on here to provoke negative comments from others.

[Little Londoner]

I note with interest that PNP has liked this post in which the poster has stated his belief that children should be taught to drive whilst still at school, and yet he is the one who started this thread by stating that the age at which people should be able to learn to drive, should be INCREASED to 18. In my view, this proves that he hasn’t really got a clue what he’s talking about, and merely posts on here to provoke negative comments from others.

There are saner people locked up than this fool. You are right in your assumption that he is a wind up merchant as when people put quite sensible suggestions he doesn't offer any agreement it is just jet black in his little mind no grey or white. I am certainly not anti cyclist as I have a long history of cycling being a former member of Southport Road Cycling Club.
The main fault with the clown is being trapped in some wonderfully oblivious time warp where people live a few minutes walk from work there are shops selling everything at fixed prices on every corner so there is no need for a car.
Perhaps he could be dragged into the real world world where your job may involve an hours drive each way every day of the week. Southport for his information is a Town with very little Industry and is mostly low wage retail or hospitality/service work, if you want to work in certain Industries and you don't want to move then daily travel is essential.
I don't know how he makes a living other than working for aged people using a smarmy chat line, could you imagine employing anyone who wants to brow beat you with his way of thinking.

I am sure a lot of people thought Harold Shipman was a lovely man as he gave them an injection to ease their pain.

[Rigsby]

Arguing with the idiot just uses up the power the fool wants saving and turning green, better off looking for a brick wall and banging your head on it.
His old chestnut AGAIN cycling infrastructure, WHY have special lanes for cyclists they already have them "PAVEMENTS". The Visitor used to have magistrate court reports "cyclist fined £5 (when a fiver was a weeks wage) for riding on the pavement/without lights/with cycle in a dangerous condition. What reins in the morons now NOTHING. It's about time for a purge on antisocial cycling with fines and confiscation of bikes for a start.

This has been my Southport GB / Q-Local signature for many years

Never, ever, argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

Very appropriate with certain posters

[The PNP]

I note with interest that PNP has liked this post in which the poster has stated his belief that children should be taught to drive whilst still at school, and yet he is the one who started this thread by stating that the age at which people should be able to learn to drive, should be INCREASED to 18. In my view, this proves that he hasn’t really got a clue what he’s talking about, and merely posts on here to provoke negative comments from others.

Duh, why is that so hard to understand?.....In school, you can give a child lessons in banking/finance - but that's hardly the same thing as letting them loose in the City to lose £millions!

Likewise, in the classroom you can teach them the theory of how to be a responsible road-user - without handing over a car to make highway mayhem with!

[justbecause]

Duh, why is that so hard to understand?.....In school, you can give a child lessons in banking/finance - but that's hardly the same thing as letting them loose in the City to lose £millions!

Likewise, in the classroom you can teach them the theory of how to be a responsible road-user - without handing over a car to make highway mayhem with!

So you would advocate teaching them all about cars and the theory of them while still at school, and then tell them that they can’t drive for several years after. Yeah, I can see that one working.