Originally Posted by libraryguy

And I'm not anti-bike. What I AM "anti", is anyone who uses the roads and doesn't follow the rules of the road. It just so happens that on my travels the vast majority of those I see breaking rules are cyclists. Yes, I do see motor vehicles too.

Then we have to suffer stupid schemes to help cyclists and block roads for cars when the majority of vehicular movement is motor-driven.

Sefton council are killing Southport.

Not anti-bike? I’m glad you cleared that up as your last post would suggest otherwise!

Reading some of your other posts on other threads you imply that there are hardly any cyclists about, yet here you are saying the vast majority of those you see breaking rules are cyclists.

As I’ve said, I’m all for enforcement, across the board and it annoys me no end when I see cyclists blatantly ignoring the rules.

Originally Posted by Sap33

Not anti-bike? I’m glad you cleared that up as your last post would suggest otherwise!

Reading some of your other posts on other threads you imply that there are hardly any cyclists about, yet here you are saying the vast majority of those you see breaking rules are cyclists.

As I’ve said, I’m all for enforcement, across the board and it annoys me no end when I see cyclists blatantly ignoring the rules.

In relation to motor vehicles, cyclists are a minority. However, sad to say that the majority of cyclists that I've seen on Southport's roads, and elsewhere, do not obey the Highway Code. They ignore red lights and all the other signs to keep everyone safe. They get provided for with cycle routes and lanes, then what do you see them doing... holding up traffic as they're using the damn road.

Complain when they don't have dedicated & segregated cycles routes, but don't use them when they are!!

They're Mad!!!

Originally Posted by libraryguy

In relation to motor vehicles, cyclists are a minority. However, sad to say that the majority of cyclists that I've seen on Southport's roads, and elsewhere, do not obey the Highway Code. They ignore red lights and all the other signs to keep everyone safe. They get provided for with cycle routes and lanes, then what do you see them doing... holding up traffic as they're using the damn road.

Complain when they don't have dedicated & segregated cycles routes, but don't use them when they are!!

They're Mad!!!

If you read through this thread, my first comment I’ve said in reply to the original post about Chapel Street opening to cycling is a bad idea. I’ve also actually said:-

‘ Before the proposed changes, there were more than 5 cyclists a day in Chapel Street ignoring the signs!’

You seem to have a major problem with cyclists as All you seem to go on about is how they don’t stop for red lights and how they all break the laws, but completely ignore that drivers also break laws. (‘But at least motorists obey red lights’ has got to be one of your funniest lines!) How about coming up with a bit more of a balanced argument, you’re sounding like a broken record.

Originally Posted by Sap33

You seem to have a major problem with cyclists as All you seem to go on about is how they don’t stop for red lights and how they all break the laws, but completely ignore that drivers also break laws. (‘But at least motorists obey red lights’ has got to be one of your funniest lines!) How about coming up with a bit more of a balanced argument, you’re sounding like a broken record.

But TRUE unfortunately as has been pointed out many times by many different people THE MAJORITY OF CYCLISTS DON'T ABIDE WITH THE HIGHWAY CODE.

I've explained more than enough times about my years of cycling, serious cycling, and the antics of today's idiots is beyond belief. When I was working I'd be going out on a dark winter morning 4/5/6 a.m. the number of postmen riding to work without lights, the number of paper boys and girls dressed all in black without lights, it goes on and on. The idiot tells us cyclists can use the pavement when the road is extremely busy or narrowed due to parked vehicles but what I can't understand is why when there is no traffic of note youths will be flying along the pavement without regard for anyone is it too much to ask for a couple of words that means nothing to most people nowadays RESPECT and CONSIDERATION.

I have asked this question before but no one answered what is a pop up cycle that these unused lanes have been provided for.

Originally Posted by sandGroundZero

Cyclists (& skateboards, etc.) on Chapel St. have been commonplace before now.
Will pedestrians be very surprised?

Before this scheme, I have often approached Chapel St from Hoghton St. and been faced with the choice of dismounting and pushing my bicycle,.

Choice ?? Were No Cycling signs not the answer to your choice.

Originally Posted by Little Londoner

But TRUE unfortunately as has been pointed out many times by many different people THE MAJORITY OF CYCLISTS DON'T ABIDE WITH THE HIGHWAY CODE.

I've explained more than enough times about my years of cycling, serious cycling, and the antics of today's idiots is beyond belief. When I was working I'd be going out on a dark winter morning 4/5/6 a.m. the number of postmen riding to work without lights, the number of paper boys and girls dressed all in black without lights, it goes on and on. The idiot tells us cyclists can use the pavement when the road is extremely busy or narrowed due to parked vehicles but what I can't understand is why when there is no traffic of note youths will be flying along the pavement without regard for anyone is it too much to ask for a couple of words that means nothing to most people nowadays RESPECT and CONSIDERATION.

I have asked this question before but no one answered what is a pop up cycle that these unused lanes have been provided for.

You also, without evidence suggested that going out with you would show me what a crap driver I am, I posted up my driving qualifications and you seem to ignore every comment taking you up on this offer!

I agree that there are cyclists who don’t abide by the rules and, as I keep saying, I fully support enforcement. I’m also a big advocate for RESPECT and CONSIDERATION, it’s a two way thing though, I’ve lost count of the number of idiots in cars who don’t show either.

As for your claims how it is the majority, of cyclists who don’t abide by the Highway Code, if you can prove it, show me the facts?

As for what you say in relation to riding on pavements:-

Firstly, the legislation doesn't refer to pavements, and neither does it refer to cyclists. That's important because there are tracks and shared use paths where cycling is not illegal.
It's an offence to drive a carriage on "any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers", essentially a footway next to the highway (different but equivalent legislation applies in Scotland).
The law also applies to children, but as those under ten are below the age of criminal responsibility they can't be prosecuted (watch out in Scotland however, where criminal responsibility starts at eight, though the Scottish Government has announced plans to increase this to twelve). Being too young to prosecute unfortunately didn't stop a policeman in Lincolnshire threatening to confiscate a four year-old's bike after he spotted her cycling along the pavement in 2015.
Fortunately, when FPNs were introduced for pavement cycling in 1999, Home Office Minister Paul Boateng issued guidance saying that: "The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief Police Officers who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required".
The Home Office guidance was re-affirmed in 2014 by the then Cycling Minister Robert Goodwill, who agreed that the police should use discretion in enforcing the law and recommended that the matter be taken up with the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO). ACPO welcomed the renewed guidance, circulated it to all forces, and issued a statement referring to "discretion in taking a reasonable and proportionate approach, with safety being a guiding principle".
To summarise, cycling on the pavement is still an offence, but there is clear guidance that the police are supposed to exercise discretion.
And finally on pavements, remember that on segregated cycle tracks the pedestrian side remains a footway, so if you cycle into the pedestrian side to pass a pedestrian in the cycle lane you technically commit a pavement cycling offence. There's an anomaly because cyclists have to ride on their side, but pedestrians are only advised to use theirs.

The pop up cycle lanes are in response to the increased use of cycles over the Lockdown period, they can be ‘popped’ back down if proven to not be of value.

Without enforcement nobody will abide by the Highway Code.

Originally Posted by libraryguy

But at least motorists obey red lights and traffic flow on one-way streets. We don't weave all over the roads and footpaths, in the face of oncoming traffic and when we see a red light we don't mount the kerb and drive over the pedestrian crossing to carry on our journey unhindered.

Really? You need to walk up London Street regularly at witness private cars in the bus /cycle/taxi lane all day long.

Today I witnessed a 4x4 turn off the Prom onto the Marine Way Bridge and promptly ignore the keep left sign and swung into the right hand lane an proceeded for 200 yards over the crest of the bridge on the wrong side of the road.

Originally Posted by salus.populi

Really? You need to walk up London Street regularly at witness private cars in the bus /cycle/taxi lane all day long.

Today I witnessed a 4x4 turn off the Prom onto the Marine Way Bridge and promptly ignore the keep left sign and swung into the right hand lane an proceeded for 200 yards over the crest of the bridge on the wrong side of the road.

They were obviously cyclists in disguise! :-D