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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    'Guardian' my a s s. Your C&P came from 'OffGuardian', a site that is home to a group of Russian trolls who have previously been banned from the Guardian's reader comments section.
    A quick look at that site, (a very quick look) it’s easy to see were “said” gets his anti-COVID cr@p from, you can find the exact same wording that “said” has used in his/ her posts, this is from the poster who claims independent thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Explain how you work that one out?

    Did you add £1 million more requests for free school meals this year?
    Existing cost = £950k for 39 Weeks = another £300k for an additional 13 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    A quick look at that site, (a very quick look) it’s easy to see were “said” gets his anti-COVID cr@p from, you can find the exact same wording that “said” has used in his/ her posts, this is from the poster who claims independent thought
    Most of his posts originate from other sites, including the much reviled MSM. (S)he sometimes changes the wording to reflect his/her unique literary style. It hasn't got an original thought in its head.

    Have you ever visited its' Southport & Birkdale Crimewatch + Regional News site? The news is culled from small local sites, such as OTS and Q, and regional media. I did ask him/her if (s)he had obtained permission from the 2 local sites, but, naturally, didn't get a response. Small local sites depend on advertising revenue based on the number of visits. It's wrong to steal their work and their readership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alikado View Post
    Existing cost = £950k for 39 Weeks = another £300k for an additional 13 weeks.
    The Guardian estimates the need has now risen to 2 million.
    Therefore the amount will be 2 million x £15 for 13 weeks =?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    A quick look at that site, (a very quick look) it’s easy to see were “said” gets his anti-COVID cr@p from, you can find the exact same wording that “said” has used in his/ her posts, this is from the poster who claims independent thought
    Off Guardian is an independent non government backed publication which was claimed to be a Russian backed propaganda source by Fact Checker - who are reputed to be very active in propaganda themselves. Whoever is responsible for publishing any material will as a matter of course be cross referenced. The facts in off guardian were clearly laid out for understanding by the reader and are supported by many independent publications.


    And this one also?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK525302/ A book published in 2017 written by researchers modelling a pandemic and how situations would be addressed

    Andthis?

    https://www.virology.ws/2020/05/07/t...of-sars-cov-2/
    A publication written by a known virologist claiming that newspaper journalists are wrong in stating that the virus has mutated from its original

    Or this

    https://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi? Illustrating that face masks are not efficient

    again
    https://whattheythink.com/articles/1...ur-cloth-mask/ supporting the fact that masks are not efficient, and that distancing is not relevant.

    more
    https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk...%20temperature. supporting the fact that distancing is ineffective.

    Each of the above publications supports the fact that the conditions which everyone is supposed to follow - have no scientific grounds exactly as Off Guardian claims.

    Now compare the first link with this:


    The role of emergency preparedness exercises in the ...

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    Simulation exercises are an important part of emergency preparedness activities for the ... Multiple acts of terrorism in 2017 tested UK emergency response ... In this report, for the first time to our knowledge, rigorous empirical evidence is provided ... Handbook on Simulation Exercises in EU Public Health Settings, European ...by EA Skryabina · ?2020 · ?Cited by 2 · Science direct.

    Combined with the knowledge that the EU is funding the Covid Claims - and you either accept that there are an enormous number of coincidences occurring in modern times, or you feel that all these outcomes are a bit suspect. Since I do not believe in miracles, my guess is that you will ignore the science in favour of coincidences.


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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    Most of his posts originate from other sites, including the much reviled MSM. (S)he sometimes changes the wording to reflect his/her unique literary style. It hasn't got an original thought in its head.

    Have you ever visited its' Southport & Birkdale Crimewatch + Regional News site? The news is culled from small local sites, such as OTS and Q, and regional media. I did ask him/her if (s)he had obtained permission from the 2 local sites, but, naturally, didn't get a response. Small local sites depend on advertising revenue based on the number of visits. It's wrong to steal their work and their readership.
    Duh! The sites used for Crimewatch are taken from Facebook/ local publications/ police sites etc., and state SHARE! Just as all the other Crimewatch pages are and others have also copied my site. It is no more nor any less than that which many journalists do for newspapers - every entry is credited to it source, which is additional advertising for their own site and their promising journalists and increases readership. I also share local crimes with the other reporters and they visit my site, OK?

    Like many people I do not have the time to rewrite everything that I have read, the publications support that which I know but expresses my knowledge into written links which people can research at will. If I was to continually write articles and simplify scientific knowledge into layman's language - I may as well make a living out of it, and I am busy enough as it is.

    Your response is not to the topic, it is a personal attack on me - who you have yet to identify but not for wont of trying. It would appear that anyone who has different views to yourself and your colleagues is a focus for cyber bullying with the shallow intention of earning brownie points. I , and I am sure - other posters would prefer to read intelligent arguments, such as you are known to be capable of - to the point raised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    You said that Brexit would never happen too!

    No I didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Had Labour got in parliament they would I trust have gone through with the promise of free school meals for all primary school children.

    Faced with the now pandemic the cost of providing holiday meals to all primary school children would be £950 million plus 1 million extra in need.
    As I said, I don't know if they'd have gone through with it. Neither do you. What does it matter? What possible effect does it have on the action or inaction of this government?

    Whataboutery. Every time.

    What's the point of musing on Labour's last manifesto? What has it got to do with anything at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    "The cult-like nature of the Brave New Normal that is COVID19 is insidiously pervading more and more aspects of our lives, with seemingly less and less science to back it up, and curiously being seen by those in power as an opportunity to reshape our society, not for our good, but for the good of those in power." Guardian

    "a Strong Conspiracy and Moderate Pseudoscience website that also promotes Russian propaganda"

    Obviously he / she / it knew that it was a steaming pile of horsecrap, otherwise why lie about it coming from the Guardian?

    Why not declare it was from the bitter off-Guardian fruitcakes, rather than attempt to give it a veneer of respectability by bull$h!tting about the origin?

    Crank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    "a Strong Conspiracy and Moderate Pseudoscience website that also promotes Russian propaganda"

    Obviously he / she / it knew that it was a steaming pile of horsecrap, otherwise why lie about it coming from the Guardian?

    Why not declare it was from the bitter off-Guardian fruitcakes, rather than attempt to give it a veneer of respectability by bull$h!tting about the origin?

    Crank.

    Tut!Tut! I would have expected better from you - then again, perhaps not! The description which you have quoted comes from Media Bias Fact Check, (USA)without any supporting references - with a disclaimer -
    " The information is provided by Media Bias/Fact Check (MBFC News) and while we endeavor to keep the information up to date and correct, we make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, about the completeness or accuracy of opinions/information on the website for any purpose. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk."

    Not a source I would use. As someone said on Twitter - who fact checks the fact checkers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Tut!Tut! I would have expected better from you - then again, perhaps not! The description which you have quoted comes from Media Bias Fact Check, (USA)without any supporting references - with a disclaimer -
    " The information is provided by Media Bias/Fact Check (MBFC News) and while we endeavor to keep the information up to date and correct, we make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, about the completeness or accuracy of opinions/information on the website for any purpose. Any reliance you place on such information is therefore strictly at your own risk."

    Not a source I would use. As someone said on Twitter - who fact checks the fact checkers?
    Yes, I know what site it was from. I didn't link to it as a hundred million to one guess.

    All very well, apart from you trying to pass it off as a Guardian piece.

    Strong whiff of bull.

    And I wouldn't have thought a fact checking site would last too long if it didn't check facts. Even Snopes 'strives' to be precise, accurate, and fair.

    I'd also add that I wouldn't trust an awful lot from a bunch of people banned from commenting on the Guardian site. In my experience such people are unstable, liars and prone to flights of fantasy. In some cases, of the most sickening kind. So I'll stick with actual science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    As I said, I don't know if they'd have gone through with it. Neither do you. What does it matter? What possible effect does it have on the action or inaction of this government?

    Whataboutery. Every time.

    What's the point of musing on Labour's last manifesto? What has it got to do with anything at all?
    Well actually many local Councils have said they are going to use Government Covid aid grants to fund school meals.
    A long term permanent solution in funding is more likely to come from these beginnings.

    Ultimately what we all agree on is not having to lobby the Government every few months to extend free meals in the holidays.

    No local councillor or M.P would get local votes on withdrawing the service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Well actually many local Councils have said they are going to use Government Covid aid grants to fund school meals.
    A long term permanent solution in funding is more likely to come from these beginnings.

    Ultimately what we all agree on is not having to lobby the Government every few months to extend free meals in the holidays.

    No local councillor or M.P would get local votes on withdrawing the service.

    Isn't the best place to feed children in their homes?

    Sticking plaster schemes for publicity-seeking politicians and celebrities are not the way forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Isn't the best place to feed children in their homes?

    Sticking plaster schemes for publicity-seeking politicians and celebrities are not the way forward.
    Yes.
    Not sticking plaster-a long term solution.

    Local councils will be able to choose the best way to provide the service for their area.

    I am in favour of Junior schools making sure their families(who they know best) receiving food direct to take home.

    The voucher scheme for older High School children.

    Supported by breakfast clubs and holiday schemes already run by charity's in school holidays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Well actually many local Councils have said they are going to use Government Covid aid grants to fund school meals.
    A long term permanent solution in funding is more likely to come from these beginnings.

    Ultimately what we all agree on is not having to lobby the Government every few months to extend free meals in the holidays.

    No local councillor or M.P would get local votes on withdrawing the service.

    Didn't answer the question. What has that to do with whether or not Labour would have carried out the 'free school meals' part of the last manifesto?

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