Brexit again

[silver fox]

Again, details please. Not hand picked morsels from your favourite neo-Nazi.

I'd no more patronise that scum than UKIP, the BNP or any other extreme right fascist rag.

You said his speech was a disgrace. What about it was disgraceful?

Probably because in a certain mind, Starmer and indeed all Labour politicians should be on their knees crying hail President Johnson, uttering the slightest word which is not full on adulation is blasphemy in some minds.

[Toodles McGinty]

Probably because in a certain mind, Starmer and indeed all Labour politicians should be on their knees crying hail President Johnson, uttering the slightest word which is not full on adulation is blasphemy in some minds.

True.

Nothing like a nuanced look at any given situation. Weighing up pros and cons. Assessing the good policies and the bad. Agreeing with some, not with others. No shades, no depth of thought.

More like Donald Sutherland in 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers', pointing and shouting 'LLLLAAABBBBOOOOUURRRRR!!!!'
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[Hamble]

Again, details please. Not hand picked morsels from your favourite neo-Nazi.

I'd no more patronise that scum than UKIP, the BNP or any other extreme right fascist rag.

You said his speech was a disgrace. What about it was disgraceful?

Guido is not a Neo Nazi you made it all up remember?.

Plus it is a bit galling you voted for a party found wanting on racism quite happy to have the ring leader as PM.

Starmer's speech.
1.Electioneering speech.
2.Voting for the deal says it could have been better.
3.Voting for a deal he has no faith(excluding any advantages).
4.Uses hindsight knowledge to fool the gullible.

I cannot believe you fall for his rhetoric.
Thank goodness Labour voters are diluted by the other party's.

[Alikado]

Guido is not a Neo Nazi you made it all up remember?.

Plus it is a bit galling you voted for a party found wanting on racism quite happy to have the ring leader as PM.

Starmer's speech.
1.Electioneering speech.
2.Voting for the deal says it could have been better.
3.Voting for a deal he has no faith(excluding any advantages).
4.Uses hindsight knowledge to fool the gullible.

I cannot believe you fall for his rhetoric.
Thank goodness Labour voters are diluted by the other party's.

Glass Houses, if Starmer is racist at least he not a homophobic racist going on about piccaninnies with watermelon smiles and tanktlopped bum boys.

[sandGroundZero]

"…So, to all Europeans, I think it is time to leave Brexit behind."

— The European commission president, Ursula von der Leyen

Flying Dutchman
by Albert Pinkham Ryder c. 1887
(Smithsonian American Art Museum)

[Toodles McGinty]

Guido is not a Neo Nazi you made it all up remember?.

Plus it is a bit galling you voted for a party found wanting on racism quite happy to have the ring leader as PM.

No, I provided the links on several occasions.

https://www.wikicorporates.org/wiki/Paul_Staines

Remember the 'gas them all' song? The connections to extreme right South African apartheid groups?

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2018/...-gas-them-all/

Starmer's speech.
1.Electioneering speech.
2.Voting for the deal says it could have been better.
3.Voting for a deal he has no faith(excluding any advantages).
4.Uses hindsight knowledge to fool the gullible.

I cannot believe you fall for his rhetoric.
Thank goodness Labour voters are diluted by the other party's.

The deal, by all accounts, could have been better. I'm assuming he's seen the detail and you haven't?

Voting for the deal or no deal at all? Would you rather leave without a deal? Having seen the detail, I assume, he's going to hold the government to account. Did Cameron never hold Blair to account, or did he just sit there nodding like a plastic dog in the back of a car?

Hindsight knowledge? Explain this please? As opposed to a crystal ball? Hindsight as in watching what this current government has done and making decisions based upon that?

Rhetoric? Saying they want to protect the NHS? That's 'rhetoric'?

As for gullible, you refuse to see anything, and I do mean anything at all questionable in your party, regardless of the MPs, leader, policy. As I said, no nuance, no discussion apart from 'it is Tory so it must be correct'.

As for racism, at least I have the capacity to see when it is wrong and criticise accordingly. And that's got nothing at all to do with Starmer.

If the subject was jelly babies or corn plasters, you'd steer the discussion to Labour. It's an obsession.

[Hamble]

Glass Houses, if Starmer is racist at least he not a homophobic racist going on about piccaninnies with watermelon smiles and tanktlopped bum boys.

Or objecting to non European asylum seekers or Travellers?

[Hamble]

No, I provided the links on several occasions.

https://www.wikicorporates.org/wiki/Paul_Staines

Remember the 'gas them all' song? The connections to extreme right South African apartheid groups?

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2018/...-gas-them-all/



The deal, by all accounts, could have been better. I'm assuming he's seen the detail and you haven't?

Voting for the deal or no deal at all? Would you rather leave without a deal? Having seen the detail, I assume, he's going to hold the government to account. Did Cameron never hold Blair to account, or did he just sit there nodding like a plastic dog in the back of a car?

Hindsight knowledge? Explain this please? As opposed to a crystal ball? Hindsight as in watching what this current government has done and making decisions based upon that?

Rhetoric? Saying they want to protect the NHS? That's 'rhetoric'?

As for gullible, you refuse to see anything, and I do mean anything at all questionable in your party, regardless of the MPs, leader, policy. As I said, no nuance, no discussion apart from 'it is Tory so it must be correct'.

As for racism, at least I have the capacity to see when it is wrong and criticise accordingly. And that's got nothing at all to do with Starmer.

If the subject was jelly babies or corn plasters, you'd steer the discussion to Labour. It's an obsession.

The sum total of your character assassination is that Guido sang a distasteful song in as a student in 1986?

Same reference 2 links?

[Toodles McGinty]

The sum total of your character assassination is that Guido sang a distasteful song in as a student in 1986?

Same reference 2 links?

I've given you links before. The links with the neo-Nazi South Africans?

I knew the Tories were hurtling further and further right, but not their supporters. The Tories of Macmillan, who oversaw nationalised industries, public transport, utilities, postal services, and built 300,000 council houses a year have more in common with Starmer. Modern Conservatives (and their media attack dogs) are extreme right neoliberal ideologues. They aren't even recognisable from 4 years ago.

And all debate is slammed down. I'm done.

Have a Merry Christmas and I hope the New Year is kind to you. xx

[Hamble]

I've given you links before. The links with the neo-Nazi South Africans?

I knew the Tories were hurtling further and further right, but not their supporters. The Tories of Macmillan, who oversaw nationalised industries, public transport, utilities, postal services, and built 300,000 council houses a year have more in common with Starmer. Modern Conservatives (and their media attack dogs) are extreme right neoliberal ideologues. They aren't even recognisable from 4 years ago.

And all debate is slammed down. I'm done.

Have a Merry Christmas and I hope the New Year is kind to you. xx

I have posted before what was actually said over this one incident in context in 1986.



"Quote
A leader of the Federation of Conservative Students wrote to an organiser of the British National Party proposing joint ‘direct action’ to disrupt the meetings of leftwing students.

Secrecy, he emphasised, was essential: ‘The Reds would simply go wild if they got to hear of a BNP-FCS link. I would personally be in danger of being expelled from the Conservative Party.’

The author of the letter is Mr Paul Delarie-Staines, the chairman of the federation’s 50-strong branch at the Humberside college of Higher Education.

Mr Delarie-Staines, who is in his first year of a degree course in business information studies, wrote on May 22 to Mr Ian Walker, a BNP organiser in Hull.

He was, he said, against several of the aims of the BNP, which campaigns for the repatriation of black citizens. Several of its members have been convicted of offences under the Race Relations Act, and others for crimes of violence against ethnic minorities. Its leader, Mr John Tyndall, is a former chairman of the National Front.

Mr Delarie-Staines said he did not share the BNP view on immigration: as a member of the ‘libertarian’ faction of the FCS he advocated the free movement of labour, albeit with the caveat that ‘you come here to work – or starve. ‘

He went on: ‘I share a lot of your objectives.‘ These included a return to leadership and statesmanship, the abolition of the welfare state, and ‘the elimination of Communism in Britain – the mass media, the trade unions, and the schoolroom. ‘

Mr Delaire-Staines continued: ‘Nevertheless, even though we have our differences, I know a lot of BNP people at college do support the FCS (some are members of the FCS). I can certainly envisage some degree of cooperation.

‘For instance, we are moving away from just the normal political debate and towards more direct action – anti-Communist slogans on bridges, disrupting the leftist meetings by posing as leftists and then causing trouble, and also convincing individual leftists of the error of their ways.

‘Perhaps members of the BNP would care to join us in our anti-leftist activities. We can arrange a meeting to discuss possible joint future activities. ‘

Other examples of Mr Delaire-Staines work reached the Guardian, including a number of songs. One, entitled FCS Bootboys, reads: ‘Gas them all, gas them all, the Tribune group trendies and all. Crush Wedgwood Benn and make glue from his bones, Burn the broad left in their middle class homes.

‘Yes we’re saying goodbye to the Left, as safe in their graveyards they rest. ‘Cos they’ll get no further, we’ll stop with murder, the bootboys of FCS. ‘

In a letter to a friend, Mr Delaire-Staines said that he had been on a ‘community arts course – well. not exactly community arts, more spraypainting a bridge at 3am. Quite good fun really, ducking out of sight of passing police cars’



Mr Delaire-Staines told the Guardian that he had not meant violence by direct action at leftist meetings, only ‘causing as much noise as possible’. He said that he had tried to forge links with the BNP because ‘we share their anti-Communist view’.

He added: ‘They’re not far-right. They’re just racists, they believe in one colour. ‘

Mr John Barrow, the national chairman of FCS and a Lambeth councillor, said that Mr Delaire-Staines was ‘a bit silly. I wouldn’t hold it against him. I’m sure he’ll grow out of it.’ After hearing extracts from the letter to the BNP he added. ‘He’s absolutely right that he’s in danger of being thrown out of the Conservative Party.’"

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2018/...-gas-them-all/

Guido was proved right to be suspicious of Corbyn and Labour over antisemitism.


Goodnight god bless have a happy Christmas Day.
love you TM. X

[silver fox]

Or objecting to non European asylum seekers or Travellers?

Immigration and illegal entry to the country was a main reason for the Brexit vote, if you think that only applied to EU immigration ,you're fooling yourself.

[The PNP]

Immigration and illegal entry to the country was a main reason for the Brexit vote, if you think that only applied to EU immigration ,you're fooling yourself.

Precisely. This year has seen more boats than ever, making the clandestine trip across the Channel, despite the fact we were no longer a member of the EU.....So if anything, Brexit appears to have increased the flow of illegals!

[silver fox]

We are now into our third week of this glorious freedom and independence, so far we have empty shelves on NI supermarkets, one third of the Scottish fishing fleet tied up going nowhere, in shore fishermen around the country struggling to sell their catch, haulage companies on both sides of the Channel declining cross Channel work, some EU companies have decided not to bother supplying to the UK, all because of the increased paper work, delays, and lack of direction for what is needed.

Obviously this is affecting mainly smaller companies, hauliers doing groupage work and clearly fresh produce.

Then in response we get prize idiot Mogg, this damn fool stands up in Parliament comes out with "the fish are better and happier now that they are British fish", that little comment has gone down well with UK fishermen.

[local]

I suppose we could dig up a few of the comments made on here about the EU vaccine project we opted out of just imagine if we had stayed in.

The fishing teething troubles was well telegraphed and a £100 milion pot is available.

We musn't of course forget which gobby little frenchman kyboshed the fishing deal as it was.

[silver fox]

I suppose we could dig up a few of the comments made on here about the EU vaccine project we opted out of just imagine if we had stayed in.

The fishing teething troubles was well telegraphed and a £100 milion pot is available.

We musn't of course forget which gobby little frenchman kyboshed the fishing deal as it was.

This is all as a result of the totally useless and unneeded Brexit, based on false premise, backed up with lies, the fishing problems were well telegraphed along with others, but we still went ahead with this masochist madness.

We, as a country instigated this, we as a country failed to execute anything good, again as expected by many, there is no point whatsoever in trying to blame anyone else for what we created.