Brexit again

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Seems Johnson is waiting for the results of the US election before he decides on a no deal or a shite deal.

Trump is pro-Brexit, Biden is pro-Belfast Agreement and less likely to hand us a deal.

So we've gone from being a leading nation in the world's largest trading bloc to being dependent on an orange psychopath thousands of miles away.

All those cards we hold, do they show a picture of Johnson, pants down, bending over, with the Trumpaloompa behind him? And if Biden gets in, will the cards show Al Kemal on his knees in front of Barnier?

We've taken back control - and handed it to American voters.

Such sovereignty. Fingers crossed for that sequinned turd of a deal, then.

US Polls have Biden in the lead but the people have Trump in the lead - anyone's guess really. In France the voting for newby Macron was fudged, (he never divulged who was funding his campaign) Le Penn was the most favoured among the people. So anything goes.

COPIED AND PASTED AS FOLLOWS:
The UK has the world's 5th largest GDP despite being the 80th largest country. Despite the disruption of Brexit, the UK had a robust gross domestic product of $2.64 trillion in 2017, according to the World Bank. The country continues to have the fifth largest GDP in the world, after the US, China, Japan, and Germany

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Seems Johnson is waiting for the results of the US election before he decides on a no deal or a shite deal.

Trump is pro-Brexit, Biden is pro-Belfast Agreement and less likely to hand us a deal.

So we've gone from being a leading nation in the world's largest trading bloc to being dependent on an orange psychopath thousands of miles away.

All those cards we hold, do they show a picture of Johnson, pants down, bending over, with the Trumpaloompa behind him? And if Biden gets in, will the cards show Al Kemal on his knees in front of Barnier?

We've taken back control - and handed it to American voters.

Such sovereignty. Fingers crossed for that sequinned turd of a deal, then.

Johnson and Brexit supporters are naive if they believe that a Trump presidency will automatically mean a better trade deal. Don't be fooled by Trump's flattery of 'his good friend' Boris Johnson. Trump doesn't have allegiances. He may not be an intellectual powerhouse, but he's a dumb like a fox opportunist who can sense weakness and use it to his advantage. This is why he supports Brexit and a Johnson government. Ideologically he doesn't give a damn.

That said, it really doesn't matter who the President is. The President can't give anyone a trade deal. He can relay objectives to his negotiating team, but those objectives are unlikely to differ much on a party basis. The issues that have caused so many problems in the EU/UK negotiations will raise their ugly head again in US/UK negotiations. State aid and an investor state dispute resolution scheme are standard fare. Acceptance of US food standards is another given. The US is the more powerful party, it's extremely unlikely that they would concede to UK demands on any of the aforementioned issues. You simply don't have enough bargaining power.

This is where the rub is. Unlike the UK, where Parliament doesn't get to vote on a trade deal, trade deals in the US must be passed by Congress and the Senate. The power to grant a trade deal belongs to them.

Also unlike the UK, the parties holding the majority in Congress and the Senate are not necessarily the same political party as the President. When you and I vote in a General Election, we only vote for the MP representing the party we support. The party who has the most seats wins the election. The leader of that party, and the MPs representing the people will always be members of the same party.

On a US ballot, you vote for the Presidential candidate, plus a representative for the US Congress, and a Senator. Congressional representatives have 2 year terms and are up for election in the General Election on even numbered years. Senators have 6 year terms For election purposes their term is split into thirds, therefore 1/3 are up for election in the November GE.

Two years later the mid term elections are held. All Congressional representatives are up for election, and 1/3 of Senators. This is how the Dems took control of the Republican held Congress in the 2018 midterms.

The Dems are extremely unlikely to lose their majority in Congress in the GE. Gaining a majority in the Senate is another kettle of fish. If Trump is re-elected, nothing will change. A Republican President and a Democratic held Congress means that unless a trade deal meets Democratic expectations, it will never be passed by Congress and sent on to the Senate. It's also worth mentioning that members of both parties support the Belfast Deal.

Let's be honest here, Johnson will be well aware of everything I've said, but he knows that to the majority of British people the US political system is a mystery. It's in Johnson's best interests to keep schtum and dangle his shiny carrot. Trump or Biden, the end result will be the same.

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Are we there yet ?

Are we there yet ?

I'm waiting for my orange Michael Phelps chicken.

Do you think we will get food parcels, will Cummings sell us out to Russia, will China invade......

Will we still have electricity, when Boris abdicates after a no deal exit will spit the dog be Prime Minister.

Will I have to eat Mackerel,Coley and Ling.

[Alikado]

Britians powering away into the future, we've now got a trade deal with The Ivory Coast !

Trade Secretary Liz Truss hailed the UK’s agreement with Ivory Coast, saying it would "provide continuity for business and opportunities for the future".

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...affic.outbrain

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We have to secure our Chocolate.

Don't panic they will roll in as countries understandably don't want to miss out on trade.

It's only the EU holding things up to try and retain control over us and our waters a completely untenable position.

Who would let their ex keep control of them and their "garden" its simply a preposterous stance.

What countries leader would give control away ?

[Toodles McGinty]

So, after the US election, what has changed? Now that they have a president that regards our PM as “a physical and emotional clone” of Trump.

I'm betting Johnson had better get a shift on to get that EU deal now.

Shades of Neville Chaimberlain stepping off a plane clutching a piece of paper? Johnson's marvellous new deal to save Britain?

Business Insider:
Joe Biden's election victory could soon spell trouble for Britain's 'mini-Trump' Boris Johnson

[silver fox]

So, after the US election, what has changed? Now that they have a president that regards our PM as “a physical and emotional clone” of Trump.

I'm betting Johnson had better get a shift on to get that EU deal now.

Shades of Neville Chaimberlain stepping off a plane clutching a piece of paper? Johnson's marvellous new deal to save Britain?

Business Insider:
Joe Biden's election victory could soon spell trouble for Britain's 'mini-Trump' Boris Johnson

Johnson has work to do, the US now has a President who has publicly stated that Johnson isn't one of his favourite people, doesn't like Brexit and again has stated he will keep a close eye on any interference with the Irish protocol, couldn't care less about Johnson, do care about the possible problems for this country and people.

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Don't panic neither side have thrown their toys out of the pram yet and are still acting like grownups.

Von Der Layen cites the same two problems as Boris Fish and Fields level playing ones that is.

i propose we can pick what we want from EU fields in return for fishing access and unfair state aid issues go to the WTO.

[The PNP]

Johnson has work to do, the US now has a President who has publicly stated that Johnson isn't one of his favourite people, doesn't like Brexit and again has stated he will keep a close eye on any interference with the Irish protocol, couldn't care less about Johnson, do care about the possible problems for this country and people.

So much for a quick chlorine-enhanced deal with the US.

But take a look on the bright side. The sooner things go down the pan post-Brexit, the sooner we'll get back to normal - via a referendum to re-join!

[silver fox]

Yesterday, Tuesday the 24th of November, at the entrance to the Channel Tunnel a brief trial to check just 1 part of the new procedures which will come into effect as from January 1st, the trial ran from 6am to 3pm, net result a queue of standing HGVs on the hard shoulder of the M20, the queue variously reported of from 3 miles to 5 miles long.

All this from just checking 1 part of the procedure and of only 9 hours duration.

Yea, roll on freedom, huh.

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Don't want to burst your remoaner bubble but the FRENCH tests are simply a puny effort to put pressure on us.

They did of course close off half the lanes just to make a point.

Freedom sounds better and better the nearer we get.

[silver fox]

Don't want to burst your remoaner bubble but the FRENCH tests are simply a puny effort to put pressure on us.

They did of course close off half the lanes just to make a point.

Freedom sounds better and better the nearer we get.

Where did you get that from? this test was merely a run of the passport and id checks which will come into play, this was not a check on loads, origin or destination, these checks will be there for everyone after Jan 1st, don't forget as far as HGVs are concerned there would normally only be 1 possibly 2 people with the vehicle, oh what fun when they get the family cars and tour coaches going through.

Yes this was a French test in exactly the same way that British Border forces operate in France, for exactly the same reason, to ease delays when arriving in France or Britain.

At least at the moment the French Border forces won't be having to check for illegal migrants, although that could quite possibly change.

There will be more enforcement and checks after Jan, it matters not which side of the Channel they are done, it will create delays, it is reckoned that this test was a success giving an average delay of only 75/80 seconds per vehicle, but with the large numbers going through that will soon accumulate to hours, the first vehicles going through would barely notice the delay, but just do a bit of maths, by the time 50 vehicles have gone through, the delay is now over an hour.

Nothing to do with remainer, merely highlighting the sheer stupidity of what we are doing, I know we're leaving, we can't stop it now, but the folly will last for a long, long time.

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Where did you get that from? this test was merely a run of the passport and id checks which will come into play, this was not a check on loads, origin or destination, these checks will be there for everyone after Jan 1st, don't forget as far as HGVs are concerned there would normally only be 1 possibly 2 people with the vehicle, oh what fun when they get the family cars and tour coaches going through.

Yes this was a French test in exactly the same way that British Border forces operate in France, for exactly the same reason, to ease delays when arriving in France or Britain.

At least at the moment the French Border forces won't be having to check for illegal migrants, although that could quite possibly change.

There will be more enforcement and checks after Jan, it matters not which side of the Channel they are done, it will create delays, it is reckoned that this test was a success giving an average delay of only 75/80 seconds per vehicle, but with the large numbers going through that will soon accumulate to hours, the first vehicles going through would barely notice the delay, but just do a bit of maths, by the time 50 vehicles have gone through, the delay is now over an hour.

Nothing to do with remainer, merely highlighting the sheer stupidity of what we are doing, I know we're leaving, we can't stop it now, but the folly will last for a long, long time.

Come on surely you can work it out get one man and his dog to do some checks and hey presto you have a big queue.

Don't forget we haven't left yet so there is no need to stop everyone surely you can see that.

"It is reckoned it was a success" surely you don't believe this tosh how can it by any measure be a success unless of course your aim is to create delays then of course it was great.

We really are in silly season.

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Come on surely you can work it out get one man and his dog to do some checks and hey presto you have a big queue.

Don't forget we haven't left yet so there is no need to stop everyone surely you can see that.

"It is reckoned it was a success" surely you don't believe this tosh how can it by any measure be a success unless of course your aim is to create delays then of course it was great.

We really are in silly season.

We’ve been in silly season for a long time now, any and every problem arising from Brexit is our failure, no matter what sort of Brexit we eventually get it will not come remotely close to the garbage pushed out by Brexiteers.

Enough people were convinced to support the false promises, but of course it’s all the fault of the EU

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We’ve been in silly season for a long time now, any and every problem arising from Brexit is our failure, no matter what sort of Brexit we eventually get it will not come remotely close to the garbage pushed out by Brexiteers.

Enough people were convinced to support the false promises, but of course it’s all the fault of the EU

It's only the EU and nobody else that wants to keep us as a colony.

That fault clearly lies at their door.

If they acted responsibly and fairly the negotiations would conclude quickly.

Which country hands out its sovereign powers to a trade body of its competitors?

which the members of the EU have and always will be.