Brexit again

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If only we had the wit to not shoot ourselves in both feet in the first place, in or out of the EU, we would have had every right to make our own decisions as regards combatting C19 and the vaccination programme, are you getting desperate looking for positives for Brexit?

No very happy with Brexit.

The EU vaccines project we swerved is indicative of the benefits of looking for the bigger picture.

These major advantages will shine far far above paperwork teething problems as we adjust.

It is certainly a time for the bureaucrats to flex their puny muscles.

[silver fox]

It was a bit more than a bulk buying scheme but still your grudging appreciation of the ides of summer is a breakthrough and you might just imagine that its indicative of the way the EU works, well not straight away.

No very happy with Brexit.

The EU vaccines project we swerved is indicative of the benefits of looking for the bigger picture.

These major advantages will shine far far above paperwork teething problems as we adjust.

It is certainly a time for the bureaucrats to flex their puny muscles.

Currently the bigger picture doesn’t look great, hopefully things do improve, because remember even Remainers don’t cherish hopes of failure, we live here as well.

[sandGroundZero]

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A commercial cheesemaker in Cheshire has been left with a £250,000 Brexit hole in his business as a direct result of the UK’s departure from the EU on 1 January.
Simon Spurrell said he has lost 20% of his sales overnight after discovering he needed to provide a £180 health certificate on retail orders to consumers in the EU, including those buying personal gift packs of his award-winning wax-wrapped cheese worth £25 or £30.
He says he had hoped to take part in the “sunny uplands” promised by the government post-Brexit but has instead seen the viability of his online retail come to a “dead stop”.
“Our business had high hopes of continued growth in the EU market, after seeing the avoidance of the no-deal and announcement of a free trade deal.
“What has only become clear in the last week is that our successful B2C [business to consumer] online sales to EU consumers is now impossible to operate,” he said.
To save his business he will now have to switch a £1m investment he was planning to make in a new distribution centre in Macclesfield to the EU, with the loss of 20 jobs and tax revenue to the UK.
“It is a real shame because that means I’m now going to invest in France, provide French employment, and then contribute to the EU tax system, which was pretty much going against the whole reason that we were meant to be leaving.
…It is an oversight in the agreement that does not affect EU producers at all, but is a dead stop for all UK producers selling into the EU via online sales,” he added.”

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— Simon Spurrell says his firm lost 20% of sales and will switch £1m investment to France

Small business remain unprepared for Brexit

[silver fox]

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A commercial cheesemaker in Cheshire has been left with a £250,000 Brexit hole in his business as a direct result of the UK’s departure from the EU on 1 January.
Simon Spurrell said he has lost 20% of his sales overnight after discovering he needed to provide a £180 health certificate on retail orders to consumers in the EU, including those buying personal gift packs of his award-winning wax-wrapped cheese worth £25 or £30.
He says he had hoped to take part in the “sunny uplands” promised by the government post-Brexit but has instead seen the viability of his online retail come to a “dead stop”.
“Our business had high hopes of continued growth in the EU market, after seeing the avoidance of the no-deal and announcement of a free trade deal.
“What has only become clear in the last week is that our successful B2C [business to consumer] online sales to EU consumers is now impossible to operate,” he said.
To save his business he will now have to switch a £1m investment he was planning to make in a new distribution centre in Macclesfield to the EU, with the loss of 20 jobs and tax revenue to the UK.
“It is a real shame because that means I’m now going to invest in France, provide French employment, and then contribute to the EU tax system, which was pretty much going against the whole reason that we were meant to be leaving.
…It is an oversight in the agreement that does not affect EU producers at all, but is a dead stop for all UK producers selling into the EU via online sales,” he added.”

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— Simon Spurrell says his firm lost 20% of sales and will switch £1m investment to France

Small business remain unprepared for Brexit

He’s not alone, already those fishermen who can, are landing their catch in Denmark and Holland due to the delays and paperwork require if shipping from the UK, this ludicrous pantomime is looking to hit small to medium businesses hard, how many will switch to the EU to avoid the delays and extra costs?

Noticeable in one supermarket this week, the shelves normally filled with what is, at this time of the year, imported fresh produce, many empty and very little of anything else, but of course there are no problems :rolleyes.

[The PNP]

this ludicrous pantomime is looking to hit small to medium businesses hard, how many will switch to the EU to avoid the delays and extra costs?

Removing delays, costs, red tape and bureocracy between member States, is what the EU is all about. Now we're sitting outside in the cold and looking in, all those issues have returned with a vengeance. How anyone can think that leaving was a good idea is beyond me!

[Alikado]

Removing delays, costs, red tape and bureocracy between member States, is what the EU is all about. Now we're sitting outside in the cold and looking in, all those issues have returned with a vengeance. How anyone can think that leaving was a good idea is beyond me!

But the fish are happier.

[The PNP]

But the fish are happier.

Pure codology!

[local]

Your lucky I can't find anything to eat here except herring.

My NI relatives went to their local Lidl and the shelves were full, it was a disgraceful sight and not what we voted for.

And now to compound the con Nissan are not only staying here but expanding.

We should have had elected Jeremy he would have sorted everything, with Keir going to Brussels to give away as much as he could.

If we had stayed in the EU and joined the vaccine group we would have vaccinated 2 or 3 people by now.

Humbug its all going to pot.

[silver fox]

Your lucky I can't find anything to eat here except herring.

My NI relatives went to their local Lidl and the shelves were full, it was a disgraceful sight and not what we voted for.

And now to compound the con Nissan are not only staying here but expanding.

We should have had elected Jeremy he would have sorted everything, with Keir going to Brussels to give away as much as he could.

If we had stayed in the EU and joined the vaccine group we would have vaccinated 2 or 3 people by now.

Humbug its all going to pot.

Whataboutery, ifs, buts and maybes par excellence, deny if you can that many businesses and private individuals are suddenly finding extra charges, considerably more paperwork and unwanted delays, you constantly bring up the vaccine group, we had the choice at the time to go our own way or join the EU programme, it was never on the cards that we would have joined in the EU group, on this issue we would have gone our own way regardless of membership or not.

Nissan have announced they are staying and forecasting expansion, thank goodness for one bit of positivity, because right now there is little to cheer about, in our great quest for "freedom".

Most of the signs are not good, we need every bit of good news going, with so many companies simply getting out, just to remind you Remainers DON'T relish things going the wrong way, we bloody live here as well.

[sandGroundZero]

A caricature of the problems arising from BREXIT

…I can't find anything to eat here except herring.
…and the shelves were full, it was a disgraceful sight and not what we voted for.

…is no consolation for those individuals and businesses adversely effected.

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Time will tell whether the costs assoicated with BREXIT are balanced by benefits.

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[sandGroundZero]

Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told

[Hamble]

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"When proposals for a European customs union were advanced after World War II, there was widespread political opposition in the UK: the Federation of British Industries and the government's economic ministries opposed British participation as the establishment of a common external tariff would mean the end of the Imperial Preference system of trade within the British Empire and the Commonwealth of Nations, and would expose British business to increased competition from the continent, in particular from Germany. Meanwhile the Labour Party believed that it would lead to cost-of-living increase for the British working class, forcing them to consume more expensive agricultural produce from continental Europe instead of cheaper food from the imperial dominions, and that what they saw as the domination of mainland western European politics by anti-socialist Christian democracy would threaten the newly constructed welfare state introduced by the Attlee ministry. As a result the UK's initial attitude to moves toward European economic integration was rather detached: it was only an observer to the negotiations on the creation of the ECSC which culminated in the 1951 Treaty of Paris, and similarly sent a mid-ranking civil servant from the Board of Trade as an observer to the ministerial Messina Conference which led to the Treaty of Rome.[7]

Shortly after the creation of the ECSC in 1952, the UK became the first country to establish a Delegation in Luxembourg, the seat of the High Authority (present-day European Commission) at the time. On 24 December 1953 the High Authority invited the British Government to enter into negotiations for the establishment of an association. On 29 April 1954 the British Government invited the High Authority to London to begin discussions on the proposed association and on 21 December 1954 the Agreement of Association was signed in London entering into force on 23 September 1955. This was the first example of an EU Association Agreement.[8]

The Agreement of Association established a Standing Council of Association which was intended to provide 'a means for the continuous exchange of information and for consultation in regard to matters of common interest concerning coal and steel' (Article 6). The first meeting took place on 17 November 1955 in Luxembourg. At the second meeting on 22 March 1956 in London, the High Authority and the British Government agreed to open tariff negotiations.[9] That year the British government also made a counter-proposal to the Treaty of Rome negotiations, advocating the creation of a larger but less integrated free-trade area encompassing all members of the Organisation for European Economic Co-operation (now the OECD): this would have established a European trade bloc but would not have introduced a common external tariff, which would have allowed the UK to maintain an Imperial Preference policy. However, this effort was not successful. Subsequently, political opinion in Britain shifted towards greater engagement with the European Communities.[7]"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access...an_Communities

[local]

Whataboutery, ifs, buts and maybes par excellence, deny if you can that many businesses and private individuals are suddenly finding extra charges, considerably more paperwork and unwanted delays, you constantly bring up the vaccine group, we had the choice at the time to go our own way or join the EU programme, it was never on the cards that we would have joined in the EU group, on this issue we would have gone our own way regardless of membership or not.

Nissan have announced they are staying and forecasting expansion, thank goodness for one bit of positivity, because right now there is little to cheer about, in our great quest for "freedom".

Most of the signs are not good, we need every bit of good news going, with so many companies simply getting out, just to remind you Remainers DON'T relish things going the wrong way, we bloody live here as well.

Some businesses have been caught out by changes in process that is understandable but is not indicative of permanence.

Some businesses is the point though.


The point about the vaccine group you miss is that was an EU initiative and fully indicative of the general incompetence they have demonstrated year after year.

More importantly, it fully undermines the argument that we can only manage as part of a bigger group it's clearly untrue.

When you get your jab, get down on your knees and thank those of us capable of thinking beyond the EU

[The PNP]

A) The point is some businesses have been caught out by changes in process that is understandable but is not indicative of permanence.

B) The point about the vaccine group you miss is that was an EU initiative and fully indicative of the general incompetence they have demonstrated year after year.

A) Sounds permanent, when a UK cheese exporter has to move an operation away. In order to avoid paying £180 for a health certificate, to export a £20 pack of cheese!

B) From what I hear, the shortage was down to Pfizer, who have production issues - not in any way the fault of their customers.

[local]

A) Sounds permanent, when a UK cheese exporter has to move an operation away. In order to avoid paying £180 for a health certificate, to export a £20 pack of cheese!

B) From what I hear, the shortage was down to Pfizer, who have production issues - not in any way the fault of their customers.

Get back off your knees and appreciate those who thought a little bit beyond their own nose.

The country flying away with vaccinations is Israel who did an independent deal*

We are second because we realise you do not have to be part of the co-op to get bread.

We are also a customer of Pfizer as is Israel so you don't get any remoaner brownie points for that.



**** Israel should definitely be looking after the Palestinians who's lives they control.

As to your Cheese point I will get back to you on that because it sounds absurd.