Sefton Council decided to press on with the ordering of up to 100,000 new blue bins after Conservative and Labour members on the Overview and Scrutiny Committee blocked a Liberal Democrat move to hold back until the public had been properly consulted.

The meeting took place on Monday night.

The Liberal Democrats argued that the scheme would fail unless it had widespread public support and could then fail to meet its environmental and financial targets.

“There are genuine concerns amongst the public about the need for a fourth Sefton bin and the numbers of properties prepared to accommodate them”, stated Cllr. John Pugh, Liberal Democrat council leader, “ so its just good sense to consult rather than impose. "

"Sefton has spent millions of pounds on consultants over the years- a little money spent asking the public about such a basic day to day issue should not be a problem.”

"Glass recycling is something we all want to do as a community, but how to do it best is the issue. The Council have chosen a path that they hope will leave them in profit but there are so many untested assumptions in their calculations, no-one would bet on it.

With the government promising to review re-cycling credits, introduce bottle deposit schemes and the public uptake of blue bins in doubt, it's hard to be sure."

Cllr. Pugh welcomed the undertaking by Sefton officers, given at Monday’s meeting, that they would be flexible as they rolled out the new scheme.

However, Liberal Democrats remain convinced that an accurate assessment of the levels of likely participation should occur before the council commits the £1.7 million necessary to purchase the new bins.

“ Many might prefer a smaller container within the existing recycling bin”.

Going to take a long time to fill with my one jam jar a week and may be a pickle jar!!
What buffoons, no thoughts at all on what the public want or need. Don't you just despair.

Just think how many potholes they could have repaired,or anything else that needed doing with the money spent on Blue bins,that virtually NOBODY wanted in the first instance,as it is another eyesore for their gardens..This council loves to waste money on needless items,when there are other things that TAXPAYERS MONEY could be spent on instead,the mind boggles as to how these people in charge of the funding can waste so much and get away with doing so,anybody in a normal job would be sacked for wasting so much money on pointless items.

Simply no space for another bin so will be left on road outside for Council to take away

Likewise, it would take me about two years to fill a bin with the odd glass jar we use.

The green box was sufficient previously.

Why not a blue box? Or a red one?

Originally Posted by Little Londoner

Likewise, it would take me about two years to fill a bin with the odd glass jar we use.

Have you heard the racket from the bin wagon on brown bin day of all the empties, the glass weighs heavier than the metal and paper collected, it's government instructions and it's tonnage that counts.

Once upon a time, the glorious leaders of the revolution at Bootle told us that the brown bin would be provided to collect recyclables including glass and the sorting process would separate the contents for recycling.

Was this untrue ?

Has anyone done an audit to give the cost of extra bins and collections over and above the current collection regime.

Is there actually a legal requirement that a householder has to recycle?

Originally Posted by Lawrence

Is there actually a legal requirement that a householder has to recycle?

In a way yes, under s46 of the 1990 Environmental Protection Act the Local Authority can serve Notice requiring you to dispose of your waste in a specified way. The terms of the Notice can include when and where the waste is presented for collection. It can also specify how the waste is presented , i.e. what type of container.

There are only two grounds to appeal such a Notice and they are -

(i) The request is unreasonable or,
(ii) You are already doing what the Notice is instructing you to do.

Breaching the Notice can result in prosecution.

Hope that helps.

Will I be committing a grave sin if I put my empty vintage Krug bottles in the Brown recycling bin as usual?

I would like to keep the blue one for collecting dysfunctional council employees.

It’s quite a big bin, only the hardened boozers will be able to fill it up and that will take a month I bet. So what if you can’t be arsed with one can you say no don't drop one off for me saying that you present what little you have at recycling bins in supermarkets and places like that or what if most people don’t put them out for a month or more at a time?, is that a waste of time making the bin men go round collecting little from every 5th house?. What if you put it down the back of the garden and grow potatoes in it or cut it up and put it in the brown bin and never put it out.

The people on the committee that have spent MILLIONS on private paid for consultation (at best is a waste and they should be sacked off) and have control of who they choose to consult and the money to buy 100,000 and DONT want public consultation so they let on about this at the last minute, is this because they have already consulted friends with consultation companies that are giving them backhanders or similar skulduggery with friends that own blue bin making companies.

Because it’s not the party that has no control over the funds (or it’s bonuses) nor the general public that wants this.
And the public must not be asked as they know they won’t get the answer they want so as they can skim off this . Yea I think it’s all obviously bent, crooked, it’s a twist, you will be paying for something that’s not fit for purpose, that you won’t use and it’s only happening because of backhanders.

Where there is massive amounts of money comes corruption, what colour bin will we have next and how many MILLIONS will they allocate themselves for them .
Crooked it is I say and if you can’t see it yer thick, and if you can who you gonna tell. .

I would have thought there was more chance of the glass breaking as the bins tipped glass on glass rather than the cushioning effect of the cardboard, paper and cans in the current brown bins.

Originally Posted by toothache

I would have thought there was more chance of the glass breaking as the bins tipped glass on glass rather than the cushioning effect of the cardboard, paper and cans in the current brown bins.

The bin wagons have a ram which pushes and compacts the load. The issue is glass contaminating the cardboard making it less commercially desirable.
As I recall the funding for the bins is from Central Government and, ironically, has a significant European contribution.

Can you imagine the noise at 6,30am when the glass hits the hopper over and over again! its loud enough with the brown bin with cardboard and paper to cushion the fall! The clowns who agreed to this should have road tested the sound emitted first{decibels etc}...preferably outside their house!! As stated previously, the old green box would surley suffice the piffling amount of glass an average household disposes of?