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    [QUOTE=said;6752802]What is wrong with you people? The UK is a predominantly white country - so what are you saying? That white people in the West are unable to do anything constructively unless they have Black person helping them? The history of the UK does not support that.

    When the Caribbean people came to the UK in 1953 - it was the first time the UK had ghettos and violent crime. It was necessary to organise a special Police agency to deal purely with Black crime. Black crime is far in excess of their minority numbers in the UK.

    The Pakistani people and the Bangladeshi people feature the highest number of the population to be receiving Housing Benefit. Moreover, the number of children in such families are far higher than for those of white people and as such these people demand a much higher percentage of larger houses.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-police.html

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...-and-benefits/

    Jsus, just when you think it is safe to look at an old thread you come across racist cr'p like this.
    There was no violent crime and there were no ghettos before 1953? Gorbals anyone? Or areas of London, Liverpool or Birmingham before migration on any scale.

    As for your other assertions you make the classic mistake of the uneducated....attributing the actions of the few to the entire race. That's racism 101.
    Why is this allowed on this forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    What is wrong with you people? The UK is a predominantly white country - so what are you saying? That white people in the West are unable to do anything constructively unless they have Black person helping them? The history of the UK does not support that.

    When the Caribbean people came to the UK in 1953 - it was the first time the UK had ghettos and violent crime. It was necessary to organise a special Po in such families are far higher than for those of white people and as such these people demand a much higher percentage of larger houses.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-police.html

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...-and-benefits/

    The examples found do not support the fact that any of those peoples you have mentioned benefit the UK in anyway at all.
    Takeaway the Carabbean, Pakistani & Bangladeshi people and there would not be a NHS and hardly any markets or curry houses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    What is wrong with you people? The UK is a predominantly white country - so what are you saying? That white people in the West are unable to do anything constructively unless they have Black person helping them? The history of the UK does not support that.

    When the Caribbean people came to the UK in 1953 - it was the first time the UK had ghettos and violent crime. It was necessary to organise a special Police agency to deal purely with Black crime. Black crime is far in excess of their minority numbers in the UK.

    The Pakistani people and the Bangladeshi people feature the highest number of the population to be receiving Housing Benefit. Moreover, the number of children in such families are far higher than for those of white people and as such these people demand a much higher percentage of larger houses.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-police.html

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...-and-benefits/

    Jsus, just when you think it is safe to look at an old thread you come across racist cr'p like this.
    There was no violent crime and there were no ghettos before 1953? Gorbals anyone? Or areas of London, Liverpool or Birmingham before migration on any scale.

    As for your other assertions you make the classic mistake of the uneducated....attributing the actions of the few to the entire race. That's racism 101.
    Why is this allowed on this forum?


    My, you do carry a massive chip on your shoulders, don't you? You are very rude - which is totally uncalled for and should most definitely not be allowed on any social site - and you appear to have some hang up over education too, did you not receive any? I am really getting pi...d off with libel from people like you - I think it is about time I seriously considered suing people.

    The Gorbals was a poor district in Glasgow from Victorian times until about 1970. These are tenements where people had very little money and crime was a way of life. The people of that district were all linked by survival in desperate times. I found the area very quaint myself when I visited it.

    There were various nationality 'quarters' for example the 'Jewish Quarter' in London, or 'Chinatown' but they were completely safe to walk around when you wanted to. I most certainly never felt threatened in any of those places.

    It is to be expected from some q local posters who are ignorant of the definition of 'racism' to accuse those who know the law better than they do. Your personal claim for superiority is in itself a form of 'racism'. My post does not include 'racism', nothing even like it - it discusses other nationalities of the world with respect to the UK. The response was in reply to another Q local poster, and was supported by government and other publishings.

    You do not know your history either very well do you? Yes, there was violent crime obviously - but not anywhere near the scale from 1950 onwards.

    "During the first two decades of the 20th century the police in England and Wales recorded an average of 90,000 indictable offences each year, a figure which increased to over 500,000 during the 1950s"
    https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/olympic-britain/crime-and-defence/crimes-of-the-century/.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    Hoped to avoid that kind of talk.

    Skin colour is immaterial. Nor is it political. All the major parties in this country have people of all colours and cultures. The Tories had a co-chair from a Pakistani Muslim family. Labour has many Muslim MPs. It's about extremism.

    It's a delicate area when discussing religion, particularly Islam. I'm not of the view British Muslims are a threat to anyone. If they were, I'd expect our leaders to say the same as Macron. Practise your religion, ten religions or no religion, but our law comes first.

    But it IS political - it has very little to do with race or religion. Islam is a political way of life. The followers are a brotherhood. One example of this being when three young Muslim men were killed in an RTA. Thousands turned up for their funeral, many had no connection to those who had died.

    This same brotherly adherence is very evident in our own voting process.
    "If Muslims vote as a bloc, they will show their power and strength. Insha Allah (if God wills) political candidates will understand and acknowledge that Muslims and Arabs in America have come home." Abdul Malik Mujahid
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    What is wrong with you people? The UK is a predominantly white country - so what are you saying? That white people in the West are unable to do anything constructively unless they have Black person helping them? The history of the UK does not support that.

    When the Caribbean people came to the UK in 1953 - it was the first time the UK had ghettos and violent crime. It was necessary to organise a special Police agency to deal purely with Black crime. Black crime is far in excess of their minority numbers in the UK.

    The Pakistani people and the Bangladeshi people feature the highest number of the population to be receiving Housing Benefit. Moreover, the number of children in such families are far higher than for those of white people and as such these people demand a much higher percentage of larger houses.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-police.html

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...-and-benefits/

    The examples found do not support the fact that any of those peoples you have mentioned benefit the UK in anyway at all.
    If you want to be taken seriously, Said, please don't refer to history when clearly you are not well-versed in that area.

    Of course the Caribbeans and Pakistanis were required after the Second World War. There was a boom and a labour shortage in certain fields. Two of those were transport and textiles, and this short-fall was ameliorated by inviting the groupings I mentioned to come to the UK. Please do a web search and you will find the advertisements that London Transport published in Jamaica and the other islands.

    I hope this helps.

    Regarding the rest of your post, this does not merit a response as it is mere off-topic rambling.
    Last edited by Hector; 05/12/2020 at 06:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    But it IS political - it has very little to do with race or religion. Islam is a political way of life. The followers are a brotherhood. One example of this being when three young Muslim men were killed in an RTA. Thousands turned up for their funeral, many had no connection to those who had died.

    This same brotherly adherence is very evident in our own voting process.
    "If Muslims vote as a bloc, they will show their power and strength. Insha Allah (if God wills) political candidates will understand and acknowledge that Muslims and Arabs in America have come home." Abdul Malik Mujahid
    Political Islam is indeed a potential danger that should not be ignored as it is not by the Middle Eastern nations who are most threatened by it, as demonstrated by the recent banning of the Muslim Brotherhood in Saudi Arabia. But it is also a threat to ordinary, everyday, non-extreme Moslems and we should not make their life even more difficult by encourageing others to single them out. By doing so you are playing into the hands of the extremists.
    Last edited by Hector; 05/12/2020 at 06:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post

    When the Caribbean people came to the UK in 1953 - it was the first time the UK had ghettos and violent crime. It was necessary to organise a special Police agency to deal purely with Black crime. Black crime is far in excess of their minority numbers in the UK.
    That's the biggest load of racist horsecrap I ever read. Like most racists, your ignorance is utterly astounding. You obviously know Sweet FA about the history of this country and the 'whiteness' you defend so vociferously. There have been ghettos of one sort or another since the 1200s when there was Jewish immigration to England. There has been violent crime forever. Particularly when there was an influx of country and town dwellers into cities. Poverty is usually the driving force behind crime, not levels of melanin or country of origin.

    The Pakistani people and the Bangladeshi people feature the highest number of the population to be receiving Housing Benefit. Moreover, the number of children in such families are far higher than for those of white people and as such these people demand a much higher percentage of larger houses.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-police.html

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...-and-benefits/
    You've quoted one article of benefit fraud that was dealt with. And a link by 'Migration Watch', which is the about as reliable as the idiot Farage lurking around Dover, watching for dinghies.

    You don't mention how many Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrants are perfectly entitled to benefits, nor how many don't claim benefits.

    Completely clueless. You spread nothing but disinformation and lies on about every subject under the sun. Pathological Britain First bullshitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hector View Post
    If you want to be taken seriously, Said, please don't refer to history when clearly you are not well-versed in that area.

    Of course the Caribbeans and Pakistanis were required after the Second World War. There was a boom and a labour shortage in certain fields. Two of those were transport and textiles, and this short-fall was amteliorated by inviting the groupings I mentioned to come to the UK. Please do a web search and you will find the advertisements that London Transport published in Jamaica and the other islands.

    I hope this helps.

    Regarding the rest of your post, this does not merit a response as it is mere off-topic rambling.
    It won't help any more than it helped the first time you told him/her. Nor has it helped when I've told him countless times about the post war British government's recruiting drive for nurses in British colonies, the majority of whom came from Caribbean countries. Without Caribbean and Irish nurses the newly formed NHS could not have functioned.

    I guess you could say that I have a colour prejudice too. Not in regard to the colour of people's skin... to the large brown stain (s)he leaves on the forum every time this topic arises.

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    My, you do carry a massive chip on your shoulders, don't you? You are very rude - which is totally uncalled for and should most definitely not be allowed on any social site - and you appear to have some hang up over education too, did you not receive any? I am really getting pi...d off with libel from people like you - I think it is about time I seriously considered suing people.

    The Gorbals was a poor district in Glasgow from Victorian times until about 1970. These are tenements where people had very little money and crime was a way of life. The people of that district were all linked by survival in desperate times. I found the area very quaint myself when I visited it.

    There were various nationality 'quarters' for example the 'Jewish Quarter' in London, or 'Chinatown' but they were completely safe to walk around when you wanted to. I most certainly never felt threatened in any of those places.

    It is to be expected from some q local posters who are ignorant of the definition of 'racism' to accuse those who know the law better than they do. Your personal claim for superiority is in itself a form of 'racism'. My post does not include 'racism', nothing even like it - it discusses other nationalities of the world with respect to the UK. The response was in reply to another Q local poster, and was supported by government and other publishings.

    You do not know your history either very well do you? Yes, there was violent crime obviously - but not anywhere near the scale from 1950 onwards.

    "During the first two decades of the 20th century the police in England and Wales recorded an average of 90,000 indictable offences each year, a figure which increased to over 500,000 during the 1950s"
    https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/olympic-britain/crime-and-defence/crimes-of-the-century/.



    My, you do carry a massive chip on your shoulders, don't you? You are very rude - which is totally uncalled for and should most definitely not be allowed on any social site - and you appear to have some hang up over education too, did you not receive any? I am really getting pi...d off with libel from people like you - I think it is about time I seriously considered suing people.

    Pfft! Go ahead and sue. It's only libel if it's not true and I think your posts pretty much prove my point.
    One thing you said is true... I do have a hang up over education. I believe that life long learning, but not necessarily academic qualification, is essential for personal development. Your problem is you have no discernment or ability to sort facts from 'alternative facts'. You think you have knowledge but you don't have the wisdom to sort the gold from the cr@p. You are gullible. But what is worse is that you make no effort to really educate yourself. It's lazy thinking and leads to lazy conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    What is wrong with you people? The UK is a predominantly white country - so what are you saying? That white people in the West are unable to do anything constructively unless they have Black person helping them? The history of the UK does not support that.

    When the Caribbean people came to the UK in 1953 - it was the first time the UK had ghettos and violent crime. It was necessary to organise a special Police agency to deal purely with Black crime.
    Your contention that there was no violent crime prior to the arrival of immigrants from the Caribbean in 1953, is quite simply untrue. It's easily dispelled by examining historic violent crime statistics, which are available on several government sites.

    As for considering suing members for libel, although it's obviously an empty threat, I wouldn't advise it. The burden of proof in UK libel cases lies with the defendant. There are reams of your posts on this forum which would prove without a doubt that the alleged libel is in fact true. If required, we would be more than happy to provide evidence.

    Please stop posting the same old, same old lies and misinformation, all of which has been thoroughly debunked many times over.

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