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Southport History Questions - Martin Mere
When was Martin Mere first drained, by Whom, and Why?
How large was Martin Mere and how far did it extend?
How deep was Martin Mere?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mere
Try this instead.
Martin Mere was once the largest lake in the UK. Some people believe it was the lake that inspired the legend of the Lady of the Lake / Lancelot / Authur etc.
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Originally Posted by joan ofarc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mere
Try this instead.
Martin Mere was once the largest lake in the UK. Some people believe it was the lake that inspired the legend of the Lady of the Lake / Lancelot / Authur etc.
My art teacher My Lally told many tales of Martin Mere and Arthurian Legend.
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Originally Posted by *concerned*
Oh very droll! You have missed your calling!
No - this is serious and of great interest to those who enjoy local history - where is Townie Chap - and also to those born in Southport. I am not referring to any old canoes found - it is more interesting than that.
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Originally Posted by said
Oh very droll! You have missed your calling!
No - this is serious and of great interest to those who enjoy local history - where is Townie Chap - and also to those born in Southport. I am not referring to any old canoes found - it is more interesting than that.
Did anyone have a rowing boat concession, were there any water sports carried out on the Mere, did the Romans trial bouncing bombs with their Ballistas, how high is the sky, how long is a piece of string, all questions that need answering.
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Originally Posted by Little Londoner
Did anyone have a rowing boat concession, were there any water sports carried out on the Mere, did the Romans trial bouncing bombs with their Ballistas, how high is the sky, how long is a piece of string, all questions that need answering.
Your questions are not relevant to the history of Southport, whereas the questions I have asked are. Anyone who claims that they are Southport born and bred, would take an interest in discovering little known facts about their home town. If there is any such person on Q local, that is. While looking up these facts they may find the link to something of greater interest. But I am not holding my breath - if it does not appear on the God box, why bother?
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Originally Posted by joan ofarc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mere
Try this instead.
Martin Mere was once the largest lake in the UK. Some people believe it was the lake that inspired the legend of the Lady of the Lake / Lancelot / Authur etc.
Wow. This is fascinating. I sometimes have to run workskops where you have those idiot 'round table' disussions afterwards and I can never resist showing off with a bit of Arthurian legend. Now I'll include the 'lady of Martin Mere lake'.
Many thanks, Joan. And shrukran to Said for starting the thread.
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Originally Posted by said
Your questions are not relevant to the history of Southport, whereas the questions I have asked are. Anyone who claims that they are Southport born and bred, would take an interest in discovering little known facts about their home town. If there is any such person on Q local, that is. While looking up these facts they may find the link to something of greater interest. But I am not holding my breath - if it does not appear on the God box, why bother?
Just because people are interested in local history, know the answers or may go to the trouble of looking them up doesn't necessarily mean they will be motivated to respond to you.
History suggests you'd reject correct answers anyway. There's no point entering a quiz when the quizmaster lives in a world of alternative facts.
See "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"
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Originally Posted by said
Your questions are not relevant to the history of Southport, whereas the questions I have asked are. Anyone who claims that they are Southport born and bred, would take an interest in discovering little known facts about their home town. If there is any such person on Q local, that is. While looking up these facts they may find the link to something of greater interest. But I am not holding my breath - if it does not appear on the God box, why bother?
Unless Methuselah is still alive and living in the area you are as able to Google it as well as anyone else, word of mouth passed down over hundreds of years generally gets distorted but Wikipedia is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
There may be someone on here who has been told stories of the mere that have been passed down but who can authenticate them.
Plus I thought one of your all knowing family posters would know.
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Originally Posted by salus.populi
Just because people are interested in local history, know the answers or may go to the trouble of looking them up doesn't necessarily mean they will be motivated to respond to you.
History suggests you'd reject correct answers anyway. There's no point entering a quiz when the quizmaster lives in a world of alternative facts.
See "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"
Yes, I know about the boy who cried wolf - but, I will go to the trouble of pointing out there can be no wrong answer - history has already been written. I will go further - I do not want the name of the man who owned the land at the time - I want the name of the man who drained Martin Mere in the 17 hundreds.
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Originally Posted by Little Londoner
Unless Methuselah is still alive and living in the area you are as able to Google it as well as anyone else, word of mouth passed down over hundreds of years generally gets distorted but Wikipedia is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
There may be someone on here who has been told stories of the mere that have been passed down but who can authenticate them.
Plus I thought one of your all knowing family posters would know.
Methusela only lived about a thousand years, poor man. Yes, DH - I am able to google it if I needed to, but how would that reveal any historical interest to you? I have lived in Southport/Chester for most of my life - but I was totally unaware of this particular line of very local history.
What difference does it matter whether any of my connections are aware of these facts - more to the point, are you sufficiently interested in finding out?
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Originally Posted by said
Yes, I know about the boy who cried wolf - but, I will go to the trouble of pointing out there can be no wrong answer - history has already been written. I will go further - I do not want the name of the man who owned the land at the time - I want the name of the man who drained Martin Mere in the 17 hundreds.
We've been through this before, not that long ago either. You were asking about a large lake which once covered certain areas. You obviously didn't know anything about Martin Mere, or the areas it did actually cover. I believe that you were given a lot of information about the mere on the thread, possibly including the names Thomas Fleetwood and Thomas Eccleston.
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A bit more info from a tour given at The Atkinson, or rather would be given if restrictions ever end.
• Martin Mere had a diameter of 2 miles and a circumference of 18 miles
• In comparison, the largest lake now is Windermere with a diameter of 1 mile and a circumference of only 11 miles
• Martin Mere has links to Arthurian legend. Excalibur was returned to the lake by Sir Bedevere according to the dying Arthur’s wishes.
• Lancelot was left by the lake by his mother during a spot of bother. He was adopted by Lady Vivian. When he turned up at Camelot at the age of 18 he was knighted Lancelot of the Lake
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Originally Posted by Hector
Wow. This is fascinating. I sometimes have to run workskops where you have those idiot 'round table' disussions afterwards and I can never resist showing off with a bit of Arthurian legend. Now I'll include the 'lady of Martin Mere lake'.
Many thanks, Joan. And shrukran to Said for starting the thread.
There are several references to a Round Table.
This one refers to a henge:
https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/...s-round-table/
Also a Round Table refers to a fete in the Middle ages - jousting, drinking dancing etc.,
South Wales, Caerleon, (I think) claims the rights to King Arthur and the round table.
I believe ROBY in his book "Traditions of Lancashire" mentions King Arthur.
There are many variations, legend has it that he existed in 2000BC while others claim14th/16th Century. So take your pick
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