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Originally Posted by said
Really? Supposedly, cases are increasing here and why then are people still catching the common cold? Masks or no masks, in a couple of weeks we will be heading into the virus season.
We have good data to show you are wrong on that;
This year, Australia began with relatively high flu rates: it had 6962 laboratory-confirmed flu cases in January and 7161 in February. However, cases have since nosedived, with 5884 recorded in March and only 229 in April, compared with 18,705 in April 2019. This is despite more flu testing being conducted this year.
https://www.newscientist.com/article...irus-measures/
Data from Australia, Chile and South Africa shows a tiny fraction of influenza cases from April to July, the months that constitute the typical flu season in the Southern Hemisphere.
In those three regions, there were just 51 influenza positive specimens among 83,307 tests for a positivity rate of 0.06 percent.
In contrast, the positive rate in those regions during the same time period in years prior was close to 14 percent.
I could fill these pages with similar data.
You say you follow the science so here it is, we shall see if you have the scientific rigour to accept it.
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Originally Posted by said
Really? Supposedly, cases are increasing here and why then are people still catching the common cold? Masks or no masks, in a couple of weeks we will be heading into the virus season.
How many times do you need to be told? masks offer only limited protection to the wearer, but they do offer protection from the wearer, no matter what you say or think, no-one can send mucous or any other fluids from the mouth or nose through a mask and that is most certainly a prime carrier of any virus or undesirable bacteria.
I'm fairly sure that the vast majority are very aware that a virus is incredibly tiny and containing a virus would be very difficult, but we don't live in laboratories, if everyone plays their part we are very unlikely to be subjected to stream of virus alone.
But of course self opinionated "experts" know better, reducing emissions from the mouth and nose, containing those emissions so that they don't scatter all over every nearby surface, must all contribute to reducing the spread of the virus, remember a virus can do many things, however it can't walk, fly nor even self replicate, it needs some form of transport, it needs to invade cells in order to reproduce, everything we can do to prevent that is a help.
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I think we are generally talking to ourselves with the pseudo-Prof, evidence such as above from countries in their flu season is wasted.
The ignorance bomb is dropped and then Said withdraws, the pretence of some scientific background or justification continues but its wholly unconvincing.
I only hope that people are not taken in by this specious nonsense that wouldn't make a flat earth society coffee morning.
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Originally Posted by silver fox
How many times do you need to be told? masks offer only limited protection to the wearer, but they do offer protection from the wearer, no matter what you say or think, no-one can send mucous or any other fluids from the mouth or nose through a mask and that is most certainly a prime carrier of any virus or undesirable bacteria.
I'm fairly sure that the vast majority are very aware that a virus is incredibly tiny and containing a virus would be very difficult, but we don't live in laboratories, if everyone plays their part we are very unlikely to be subjected to stream of virus alone.
But of course self opinionated "experts" know better, reducing emissions from the mouth and nose, containing those emissions so that they don't scatter all over every nearby surface, must all contribute to reducing the spread of the virus, remember a virus can do many things, however it can't walk, fly nor even self replicate, it needs some form of transport, it needs to invade cells in order to reproduce, everything we can do to prevent that is a help.
Your virus is a 'smart virus' it appears to know dates and times and follows government instructions. It dislikes noise, travels in straight lines but does not appear to get through windows, doors and gaps. The next virus season is December to March - wonder what that one will do?
READ:
https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/...-social-policy
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Originally Posted by local
I think we are generally talking to ourselves with the pseudo-Prof, evidence such as above from countries in their flu season is wasted.
The ignorance bomb is dropped and then Said withdraws, the pretence of some scientific background or justification continues but its wholly unconvincing.
I only hope that people are not taken in by this specious nonsense that wouldn't make a flat earth society coffee morning.
You are talking among yourselves - I do not adhere to superstition. I need to know facts, I have to know facts, it is my job to be completely familiar with facts. It is each of you who have not taken the trouble to learn even basic science. I mean, think about what you have been asked to believe - in all honesty? Think about previous epidemics and pandemics. Forget what the TV has been telling you - stand back and think about it?
The vaccine which you will be encouraged to have is claimed to be 95% safe - right? This virus affect just 0.03% of the population, you got that? - this means that the virus is 4.97% safer than the vaccine they are issuing to destroy it. These facts are what you have been told! Does that not sound ridiculous to you?
As Assistant Prof. Mohammed Ghani, Independent University, Bangladesh - says
"Superstition persist because nature makes people with severe learning disabilities who refuse to use their brains. Instead of practicing the math exercises, they will much rather watch the Simpsons on TV or read and write utter nonsense on Facebook. They do not want to do the hard work of learning the balancing of opposites. Superstition is easy: it does not require learning."
This is not the only time the Government has misled people - there have been many events in the past, all glaringly obvious - but this is the first time I have seen anything connected Worldwide - even then, overseas newspapers only mentioned this virus as an 'Add On', a small front page section, the rest of the papers were far more concerned with their other affairs.
The next drama is said to have an agreement signed by 178 countries. Countries leaders have not even embarked on it yet - and already the cracks are showing.
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Originally Posted by said
You are talking among yourselves - I do not adhere to superstition. I need to know facts, I have to know facts, it is my job to be completely familiar with facts. It is each of you who have not taken the trouble to learn even basic science. I mean, think about what you have been asked to believe - in all honesty? Think about previous epidemics and pandemics. Forget what the TV has been telling you - stand back and think about it?
The vaccine which you will be encouraged to have is claimed to be 95% safe - right? This virus affect just 0.03% of the population, you got that? - this means that the virus is 4.97% safer than the vaccine they are issuing to destroy it. These facts are what you have been told! Does that not sound ridiculous to you?
What sounds ridiculous to me, is someone who claims that it's his job to be completely familiar with facts, then makes a mistake by saying 'the vaccine is claimed to be 95% safe-right?' Wrong!
Here are two facts you should familiarise yourself with:
The vaccine is claimed to be safe and have 95% efficacy.
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Originally Posted by said
You are talking among yourselves - I do not adhere to superstition. I need to know facts, I have to know facts, it is my job to be completely familiar with facts. It is each of you who have not taken the trouble to learn even basic science. I mean, think about what you have been asked to believe - in all honesty? Think about previous epidemics and pandemics. Forget what the TV has been telling you - stand back and think about it?
The vaccine which you will be encouraged to have is claimed to be 95% safe - right? This virus affect just 0.03% of the population, you got that? - this means that the virus is 4.97% safer than the vaccine they are issuing to destroy it. These facts are what you have been told! Does that not sound ridiculous to you?
As Assistant Prof. Mohammed Ghani, Independent University, Bangladesh - says
"Superstition persist because nature makes people with severe learning disabilities who refuse to use their brains. Instead of practicing the math exercises, they will much rather watch the Simpsons on TV or read and write utter nonsense on Facebook. They do not want to do the hard work of learning the balancing of opposites. Superstition is easy: it does not require learning."
This is not the only time the Government has misled people - there have been many events in the past, all glaringly obvious - but this is the first time I have seen anything connected Worldwide - even then, overseas newspapers only mentioned this virus as an 'Add On', a small front page section, the rest of the papers were far more concerned with their other affairs.
The next drama is said to have an agreement signed by 178 countries. Countries leaders have not even embarked on it yet - and already the cracks are showing.
But I give you facts and data and you ignore it.
This "job" of yours is let's put it politely more theoretical than actual isn't it.
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Originally Posted by local
We have good data to show you are wrong on that;
This year, Australia began with relatively high flu rates: it had 6962 laboratory-confirmed flu cases in January and 7161 in February. However, cases have since nosedived, with 5884 recorded in March and only 229 in April, compared with 18,705 in April 2019. This is despite more flu testing being conducted this year.
https://www.newscientist.com/article...irus-measures/
Data from Australia, Chile and South Africa shows a tiny fraction of influenza cases from April to July, the months that constitute the typical flu season in the Southern Hemisphere.
In those three regions, there were just 51 influenza positive specimens among 83,307 tests for a positivity rate of 0.06 percent.
In contrast, the positive rate in those regions during the same time period in years prior was close to 14 percent.
I could fill these pages with similar data.
You say you follow the science so here it is, we shall see if you have the scientific rigour to accept it.
It is not scientific rigour - to do that you would need to refer to technical Biological details and journals.
Alice Klein is the author of the New Scientist Article. This person appears to be publishing while continuing in study. The information published under her name, contains the same information given in media reports - the Australians have less patience than we do with false news.
"The rate of death in Australia is now the lowest it has ever been, but some specific causes of death are on the rise, according to new data – and experts say we could be doing more to fix this.Death rates in Australia have been falling for a while, and the latest figures released on Wednesday by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW), are no different." The Guardian.
Since 1907, the death rate has fallen by 74% to an all-time low of 529 deaths per 100,000 people:
Had Ms.Klein been educated in the field of Biology as opposed to Chemistry, she would have given more details with regard to viruses in general. She would have been able to query the information with which she was confronted in light of modern research.
There are no figures given for any Coronavirus cases in Australia until March - and just like all other countries, they supposedly had their first case January 29th, rising to a peak in March - just like all other countries. The Covid scenario is a COMPUTER MODEL - the results you have given above support this. Viruses are active only during certain seasons of the year. When the virus was claimed to be first detected in Australia, it would not have been contagious. The weather was far too hot and dry - it could not have been borne on the air. But in Europe - it was covid/influenza season.
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Originally Posted by local
But I give you facts and data and you ignore it.
This "job" of yours is let's put it politely more theoretical than actual isn't it.
As you wish.
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Here's a good place for you to deal with some of the myths you perpetuate;
https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...c/myth-busters
Happy learning oh and don't go booking that Australia trip
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Originally Posted by said
As you wish.
Well what is your job then?
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