Did Napoleon Really take the idea of Southport Lord Street

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Did Napoleon really copy the Lord Street design to use in Parisian boulevards? What do you say?

[MICK/GILLY]

Did Napoleon really copy the Lord Street design to use in Parisian boulevards? What do you say?

He designed Lord st didn’t he, there’s a plaque on the wall at the junction of Duke st and Lord st that says something like that ..

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He Came to Lrd Street and liked what he saw .Then went back to Paris and Designed it as he remembered it

[salus.populi]

At the time he stayed here Lord St was little more than a track in a valley between sand dunes mostly lined with small houses. It was hardly likely to inspire Parisian boulevards.

[*concerned*]

At the time he stayed here Lord St was little more than a track in a valley between sand dunes mostly lined with small houses. It was hardly likely to inspire Parisian boulevards.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

From Wikipedia :

In 1846, Prince Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte, the future Napoléon III, Emperor of the French, lived for a brief period in lodgings just off Lord Street. It is claimed the street is the inspiration behind the tree-lined boulevards of Paris.[1] Between 1854 and 1870, Napoléon III orchestrated the reconstruction of the French capital. The medieval centre of the city was demolished and replaced with broad tree-lined boulevards, covered walkways and arcade

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At the time he stayed here Lord St was little more than a track in a valley between sand dunes mostly lined with small houses. It was hardly likely to inspire Parisian boulevards.

Hi, interesting. How do we know the date of that photo?

[seivad]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

From Wikipedia :

In 1846, Prince Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte, the future Napoléon III, Emperor of the French, lived for a brief period in lodgings just off Lord Street. It is claimed the street is the inspiration behind the tree-lined boulevards of Paris.[1] Between 1854 and 1870, Napoléon III orchestrated the reconstruction of the French capital. The medieval centre of the city was demolished and replaced with broad tree-lined boulevards, covered walkways and arcade

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, yourself!

[salus.populi]

Hi, interesting. How do we know the date of that photo?

1830. He stayed here in 1838.
Here's Lord Street in 1860, still very basic and distinctly un-tree lined boulevard-like

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, yourself!

Wish they would make their mind up LOL

Some t'interweb sources state 1846 (even Southport Visitor) and others state 1838

[seivad]

Hi, interesting. How do we know the date of that photo?

It's a watercolour painted by a Mrs Fairfield in 1830. It's the oldest known image of Lord Street. I believe it's at the Atkinson.

I agree with Salus. From the many images I've seen of Lord St. in even later periods, there's no way it would have inspired anyone in the 1830s. In the 1860s many of the original scruffy old shops were demolished and the Lord Street we know today started to take form.

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But the black and white photo looks totally different from the painting. If you visualize the photo in colour then it could quite imagine it looking very nice.

Perhaps the painting was from a different period, or not an accurate representation?

[Lamparilla]

It's a watercolour painted by a Mrs Fairfield in 1830. It's the oldest known image of Lord Street. I believe it's at the Atkinson.

I agree with Salus. From the many images I've seen of Lord St. in even later periods, there's no way it would have inspired anyone in the 1830s. In the 1860s many of the original scruffy old shops were demolished and the Lord Street we know today started to take form.

I guess the Napoleon thing was a clever bit of PR by someone on the Tourist Board years ago, and it certainly took a lot of people in if that painting is really what Lord Street looked like.

[salus.populi]

But the black and white photo looks totally different from the painting. If you visualize the photo in colour then it could quite imagine it looking very nice.

Perhaps the painting was from a different period, or not an accurate representation?

There's 30 years difference between them.

[seivad]

But the black and white photo looks totally different from the painting. If you visualize the photo in colour then it could quite imagine it looking very nice.

Perhaps the painting was from a different period, or not an accurate representation?

The B&W photo was taken in 1860, some 30 years after the painting.

Lord Street was built on a dune slack, so that's the way it would have looked initially. As the Atkinson has possession of the painting, I would imagine that they verified the date of the painting.

The earliest pic I can find of Lord Street is 15 years later in 1845. That's 7 years after Napoleon supposedly visited Southport. It's paved by then, but not very inspirational!

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The B&W photo was taken in 1860, some 30 years after the painting.

Lord Street was built on a dune slack, so that's the way it would have looked initially. As the Atkinson has possession of the painting, I would imagine that they verified the date of the painting.

The earliest pic I can find of Lord Street is 15 years later in 1845. That's 7 years after Napoleon supposedly visited Southport. It's paved by then, but not very inspirational!

Moskau-Twewskoe 1850. Le Boulevard de la Twesko?e a Moscou. Von Cadolle/Engelmann, Paris 1850