Public Sector Pay

[said]

No, its about time private sector workers had the same conditions that public sector workers have.

Most private sector workers could not do public service work - it is far too mundane for active thinkers. That is why Private service workers need higher pay.

[salus.populi]

Most private sector workers could not do public service work - it is far too mundane for active thinkers. That is why Private service workers need higher pay.

Yes it's that simple isn't it?
Stacking shelves and flipping burgers trumps nursing and teaching.
Another sad bitter soul.

[Alikado]

Oh! Boo-hoo! There are millions in the private sector who have lost their jobs, have been put on part time work, zero hour contracts or even have to work voluntarily. It has now got to the point where EVERYONE has to fight for jobs or drown. It is about time the Public workers were placed on a level playing field with the Private workers.

Many in the Public Sector are on zero hours, many who work in schools also have term time only contracts which the Private Sector don't have, yes it is time for the Public Sector whipping boys to be put on a level playing field.

[local]

Yes it's that simple isn't it?
Stacking shelves and flipping burgers trumps nursing and teaching.
Another sad bitter soul.

You have to accept the best don't go into Local Authorities in most professions it's something of a career failure.

Medicine does not have a place for many people in this country in the private sector.

Entry level jobs such as fast food and retail are simply that.

[salus.populi]

You have to accept the best don't go into Local Authorities in most professions it's something of a career failure.

Medicine does not have a place for many people in this country in the private sector.

Entry level jobs such as fast food and retail are simply that.

I've come across plenty incompetence at all levels in both the public and private sectors.
It seems to be the nation's most lauded quality these days.

[local]

I've come across plenty incompetence at all levels in both the public and private sectors.
It seems to be the nation's most lauded quality these days.

No doubt but you can't argue with my central point that the Public Sector is seen as a failure in many professions.

[silver fox]

No doubt but you can't argue with my central point that the Public Sector is seen as a failure in many professions.

The biggest failure is glad handing public sector work to private contractors, that’s were you find failures, downward pressure on pay and delivery of service.

Why anyone believes that allowing anyone to take a profit from non profit public service, will somehow improve that service, that is totally illogical.

[said]

Yes it's that simple isn't it?
Stacking shelves and flipping burgers trumps nursing and teaching.
Another sad bitter soul.

Now you are equating intelligence levels erroneously. Stacking shelves and frying burgers would be in the same class as unskilled labour the same as porters in a hospital or classroom assistants. Both require the skill of team work, speed and public facing. Basic nursing is hands on skill learning similar to machine room workers or accountants, with the choice of further learning. These require a degree of common sense, accuracy and an understanding of their chosen field. Teaching used to require degree level people - but is now little more than a teaching assistant in a management role at Primary/Secondary school level. The work requires a knowledge of child psychology and the ability to control a large group of students whose daily target is to create classrooom disruption. The greater majority of Public Services work is that of general clerks, no previous knowledge nor special skills required since everything is learned by rote. Teachers and Nurses are public workers who each carry out invaluable work - though teachers will probably be replaced in future while nursing will not. Most unskilled labour is likely to be replaced also, both in private and the public sectors with the public sector requiring degree level staff.

[silver fox]

Most private sector workers could not do public service work - it is far too mundane for active thinkers. That is why Private service workers need higher pay.

Hit the like button in error, the above is total rubbish, there are brilliant people in both private and public sector, equally there are not so brilliant in both sectors, I spent my entire working life in the private sector, I progressed from my own efforts, but also encountered plenty who were doing just what they had to do, without self thought or decision.

This type of generalised division is rubbish.

[salus.populi]

No doubt but you can't argue with my central point that the Public Sector is seen as a failure in many professions.

If you're a professional in any sector you haven't failed.

[Alikado]

No doubt but you can't argue with my central point that the Public Sector is seen as a failure in many professions.

One company I worked for actively sought out Public Sector applicants due to the better training programmes they had been through, ex forces often offered jobs because of the lower salaries in the forces.

[said]

The biggest failure is glad handing public sector work to private contractors, that’s were you find failures, downward pressure on pay and delivery of service.

Why anyone believes that allowing anyone to take a profit from non profit public service, will somehow improve that service, that is totally illogical.

As opposed to the Private sector workers, I would suggest that most of these 'agencies' were what used to be known as 'Wide Boy concerns'. On one side you have a bottomless pit of public money, and people who require a certain service to be carried out, who have absolutely no knowledge of business, costing and associated administration because they have never needed to know. On the other side, you have a very confident blagger who can convince most people that cow pats can be turned into rainbows, etc., The blagger sets up a company, with a glowing web page and media advertising, persuades a known name to front the company - and submits an offer for work. So easy! This tactic has been copied so many times especially when dealing with Government and Councils who do not want to look foolish when it all goes wrong, and it is us who have to pick up the tab. Just look how many of these agencies have been done for fraud?

If the Government are going to call in outside agencies, then they should allow true and trusted business people to hire them. Because these people have to face such scammers on a regular basis and know how to differentiate between those and an honest company, if there is such a thing these days.

[Alikado]

As opposed to the Private sector workers, I would suggest that most of these 'agencies' were what used to be known as 'Wide Boy concerns'. On one side you have a bottomless pit of public money, and people who require a certain service to be carried out, who have absolutely no knowledge of business, costing and associated administration because they have never needed to know. On the other side, you have a very confident blagger who can convince most people that cow pats can be turned into rainbows, etc., The blagger sets up a company, with a glowing web page and media advertising, persuades a known name to front the company - and submits an offer for work. So easy! This tactic has been copied so many times especially when dealing with Government and Councils who do not want to look foolish when it all goes wrong, and it is us who have to pick up the tab. Just look how many of these agencies have been done for fraud?

If the Government are going to call in outside agencies, then they should allow true and trusted business people to hire them. Because these people have to face such scammers on a regular basis and know how to differentiate between those and an honest company, if there is such a thing these days.

Pray how do these companies get through the financial checks, before contracts are awarded checks are made with Companies House and accounts examined.

[said]

One company I worked for actively sought out Public Sector applicants due to the better training programmes they had been through, ex forces often offered jobs because of the lower salaries in the forces.

The only training Public service workers are put through is how to read and check forms. When there was a great many laid off from the Public services a few years back, there was a poll taken among business companies asking how many would be willing to give these people employment. I have been unable to find this again. But the answer was a resounding none, because they did not have the training, ability nor knowledge required, and most were not familiar with facing the public.

Those from the Public services who put themselves forward for more important positions which do involve the public, have proven to be a huge liability in being completely useless. i.e. Politician's. But in their original placements - well someone has got to do the job, until it becomes fully automated, and it will be.

There are NO ex-servicemen in this type of employment not that I have heard of anyway. The last I knew of, was a Squadron Leader who on retirement, was given a highly financially rewarding position as Head of a prestigious College. Poor Guy! He chucked it in after less than one year, completely disillusioned - and last I heard was requesting to be taken back into the Air Force to teach Cadets.

Guardian 2011: "In its revised November estimates, the OBR shifted its estimate of the number of government employees in 2010-11 down by a further 40,000; but yesterday's 111,000 figure means job losses are running twice as fast as it expected"

[said]

Pray how do these companies get through the financial checks, before contracts are awarded checks are made with Companies House and accounts examined.

If you would like to check out any of these companies - you will see that many set up either on the same year as their application to the Government or pretty recent anyway. So there are few accounts to be checked out. This was the case with several contractors involved in modernising Liverpool. It was the case with several agencies too. When companies have gone bust or have been done for fraud - that is the first thing I checked out. Even more worrying - is those who have been found guilty of fraud, still remain on the Government paybill??