Public Sector Pay

[salus.populi]

I have been unable to find this again.

What a surprise.

There are NO ex-servicemen in this type of employment not that I have heard of anyway.

And how exactly would you be aware of the existence of all ex service personnel in the public sector?

The last I knew of, was a Squadron Leader who on retirement, was given a highly financially rewarding position as Head of a prestigious College. Poor Guy! He chucked it in after less than one year, completely disillusioned - and last I heard was requesting to be taken back into the Air Force to teach Cadets.

RAF cadets aren't actually in the RAF. It's a separate organisation run by volunteers.

Lie after lie after lie.

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What a surprise.



And how exactly would you be aware of the existence of all ex service personnel in the public sector?


RAF cadets aren't actually in the RAF. It's a separate organisation run by volunteers.

Lie after lie after lie.

You issue insults without a shred of evidence. I refrain from coming down to your level - I doubt very much if the RAF would allow volunteers to fly the Hurricanes! If you are not able to think why ex-service people would not work in the SS, you need to exercise your brain a lot more - try thinking deeper with it. Did your parents bring you up to be rude, or is it self taught to put them to shame?

[seivad]

You issue insults without a shred of evidence. I refrain from coming down to your level - I doubt very much if the RAF would allow volunteers to fly the Hurricanes! If you are not able to think why ex-service people would not work in the SS, you need to exercise your brain a lot more - try thinking deeper with it. Did your parents bring you up to be rude, or is it self taught to put them to shame?

In order to avoid the all too frequent image of egg sliding down your face, you should have checked who runs the RAF Air Cadets and the type of aircraft they can learn to fly. I think you'll find that you owe Salus an apology.

There were probably a quite a few ex-servicemen in the Schutzstaffell. I don't know how many are in the CS, and neither do you.

[salus.populi]

You issue insults without a shred of evidence. I refrain from coming down to your level - I doubt very much if the RAF would allow volunteers to fly the Hurricanes! If you are not able to think why ex-service people would not work in the SS, you need to exercise your brain a lot more - try thinking deeper with it. Did your parents bring you up to be rude, or is it self taught to put them to shame?

RAF Cadets is a youth organisation for age 12 upwards. They don't get to fly in Hurricanes much to my 14 yr old son's disappointment. They don't go up in planes with retirees either.
You may consider me to be rude but I don't suffer serial liars. Did your parents bring you up to be a liar?

[silver fox]

You issue insults without a shred of evidence. I refrain from coming down to your level - I doubt very much if the RAF would allow volunteers to fly the Hurricanes! If you are not able to think why ex-service people would not work in the SS, you need to exercise your brain a lot more - try thinking deeper with it. Did your parents bring you up to be rude, or is it self taught to put them to shame?

Hurricanes?????? Very few people in the entire world will get the chance to fly a Hurricane, sorry to break it to you but it is currently 2020 soon to be 2021 not 1940 going on 1941.

[Little Londoner]

Hurricanes?????? Very few people in the entire world will get the chance to fly a Hurricane, sorry to break it to you but it is currently 2020 soon to be 2021 not 1940 going on 1941.

Hurricanes, Typhoons, not much difference except speed and firepower

One question for whichever Said is posting on this Have You Ever Worked In The Public Sector.

I along with many of the Public Sector have gone on to have successful careers in the Private Sector, many ex servicemen/women and ex emergency servicemen/women have made a success of Private Sector Roles.
So unless you have done both how can you possibly comment. Not all Public Sector workers are street sweepers, cleaners, bin emptying technicians.
The other thing to consider is when Councils ran everything they trained up very skillful tradesmen who could walk into any similar role in the Private Sector, not like now where "Private Sector" Cowboy Outfits give a nudge nudge wink wink to a "Council Cabinet" member and absolute botch jobs are costing Council Tax payers £millions.

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Hurricanes, Typhoons, not much difference except speed and firepower

One question for whichever Said is posting on this Have You Ever Worked In The Public Sector.

I along with many of the Public Sector have gone on to have successful careers in the Private Sector, many ex servicemen/women and ex emergency servicemen/women have made a success of Private Sector Roles.
So unless you have done both how can you possibly comment. Not all Public Sector workers are street sweepers, cleaners, bin emptying technicians.
The other thing to consider is when Councils ran everything they trained up very skillful tradesmen who could walk into any similar role in the Private Sector, not like now where "Private Sector" Cowboy Outfits give a nudge nudge wink wink to a "Council Cabinet" member and absolute botch jobs are costing Council Tax payers £millions.

I think you look back with Rose tinted glasses.

there are a lot professions in the public sector but for many it's where you go when you cannot succeed in the real world.

If you can give an example of the nudge nudge wink wink jobs to a Council Cabinet member that would be interesting.

It does of course though openly question the honesty of the public sector employees who would have had to keep quiet about it but still lets hear it.

Are the Council providing brown paper bags full of money ?

Sending money to off-shore accounts ?

Keeping anyone who might oversee any aspect of these contracts bound and gagged ?

[sandGroundZero]

Rubbishing the public sector vis-à-vis the private is an ideological cliché which betrays a variety of social (and political) snobbery.

In Britain's post WWII decades Labour governments nationalized swathes of industry and Conservative governments reversed these steps. This had a deleterious effect on the quality of management. One perverse consequence was an unbalanced relationship between managers and the unions representing workers. Much resentment resulted from the poor service provided by the likes of the Gas Board. The reputation of the 'public sector' still suffers from this.

It is not altogether surprising that now many private sector firms are accused of poor services and abuse of customers. Plus in the absence of collective bargaining, much of the private sector have restored the sort of abuses (e.g. casualization) typical of 19th and early 20th century.

The prejudices of (notably retirement aged) individuals are lagging the realities of the workplace experienced by too many!

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Rubbishing the public sector vis-à-vis the private is an ideological cliché which betrays a variety of social (and political) snobbery.

In Britain's post WWII decades Labour governments nationalized swathes of industry and Conservative governments reversed these steps. This had a deleterious effect on the quality of management. One perverse consequence was an unbalanced relationship between managers and the unions representing workers. Much resentment resulted from the poor service provided by the likes of the Gas Board. The reputation of the 'public sector' still suffers from this.

It is not altogether surprising that now many private sector firms are accused of poor services and abuse of customers. Plus in the absence of collective bargaining, much of the private sector have restored the sort of abuses (e.g. casualization) typical of 19th and early 20th century.

The prejudices of (notably retirement aged) individuals are lagging the realities of the workplace experienced by too many!

The reality is not in your favour.

My peers and relatives all considered, and still do, public sector work as a failure from accountancy to the legal profession and others.

We are not of retirement age.

The younger members of our family in higher education are not using their degrees to win public sector jobs.

[Mint]

As much as I sympathise with the public sector workers there wages / salaries are met by the public purse and that is scint .
We are living in strange times and unprecedented borrowing, I can see this situation lasting for a very long time . I'm sure you would all agree .

I'm in the public sector. I don't agree.

In the last few months, I've been taken away from my usual work, and tasked with dealing with disaster scale badness. Names and life histories are something that stick. Pen pushing this isn't.

I'd much rather go back to how it was before, incrementally improving aspects of normal people's lives. The idea that we have been rolling in clover for the last few months is for the birds.

Would I like a payrise? Of course. Do I think I deserve one? After the ***** that 2020 has thrown my way, probably.

[Mint]

The only training Public service workers are put through is how to read and check forms.

Boil yer heid.

[salus.populi]

The younger members of our family in higher education are not using their degrees to win public sector jobs.

Do let us know how that goes.