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[seivad]

Does your neighbour have an electric bike?

This is the reality for people living near to these super polluters and the glib comments from the eco clown who sells them and those who seek to defend him are nauseating.

They clearly don't care about people like you

I think she was talking about a neighbour who has a coal fire.

[The PNP]

Does your neighbour have an electric bike?

This is the reality for people living near to these super polluters and the glib comments from the eco clown who sells them and those who seek to defend him are nauseating.

They clearly don't care about people like you

If you'd actually bothered to read my earlier post about this, you'd know we're regularly decommissioning open coalfires, and replacing them with smokeless DEFRA stoves!

[local]

I think she was talking about a neighbour who has a coal fire.

The government said wood burning stoves and coal fires are the largest source of fine particulate matter (PM2.5), small particles of air pollution which find their way into the body's lungs and blood.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51581817


The newer stoves are still bad for the environment.

[The PNP]

[I]The government said wood burning stoves and coal fires are the largest source of fine particulate matter (PM2.5), small particles of air pollution which find their way into the body's lungs and blood.....The newer stoves are still bad for the environment.

The Govt should make its mind up....On the one hand it's approving smokeless DEFRA stoves, while on the other apparently disapproving of same!

What is becoming clear, is the Govt's plan to ban sales of coal in the near future. The Govt is also apparently coming out against gasfires. Their policy on this, is helping to accelerating the move away from coalfires and gasfires, causing an increase in demand for woodstoves.

[silver fox]

The Govt should make its mind up....On the one hand it's approving smokeless DEFRA stoves, while on the other apparently disapproving of same!

What is becoming clear, is the Govt's plan to ban sales of coal in the near future. The Govt is also apparently coming out against gasfires. Their policy on this, is helping to accelerating the move away from coalfires and gasfires, causing an increase in demand for woodstoves.

In your dreams, increasing demand for wood burning stoves is a total negative, you know very well that hundreds, possibly thousands of homes simply can’t install wood burners, plus of course increase the burning of wood in a major way and all your renewable argument goes out the window.

[The PNP]

A) In your dreams, increasing demand for wood burning stoves is a total negative, you know very well that hundreds, possibly thousands of homes simply can’t install wood burners,

B) plus of course increase the burning of wood in a major way and all your renewable argument goes out the window.

A) True, but by the same token many homes can - and have done/are doing.

B) Provided demand for dry logs doesn't exceed capacity to grow fresh product, I can't see that being a problem. Imo, electric heating coupled with better insulation will be the way forward for the majority of dwellings.

[silver fox]

A) True, but by the same token many homes can - and have done/are doing.

B) Provided demand for dry logs doesn't exceed capacity to grow fresh product, I can't see that being a problem. Imo, electric heating coupled with better insulation will be the way forward for the majority of dwellings.

There is your instant problem, if wood became a major source for heating, you couldn't grow enough wood quickly enough to supply, in the USA away from the big cities wood burning is very often the major fuel, however it is reckoned that anything from 4 to 10 acres of woodland is needed to supply just one home, even at 4 acres per house in the UK we couldn't possibly achieve that and grow food, therefore you finish up buying wood in from all over the world, not exactly a good move.

That alone is a defeater for wood burning, plus of course storage of a very bulky fuel is another problem.

[Rigsby]

Most housing built since the 70’s don’t have a suitable flue, many were built with narrow pre-cast flue for use with gas fires.
As far as I’m aware no new builds are built with flues these days as part of the building regs requires the property needs to be “pressure tested” to eliminate air leakage so putting in flues and vents renders the air test useless.

[sandGroundZero]

Arguments in this thread are muddling complex considerations and distinct problems with respect of

• e-vehicles;
• climate change; and
• cardiovascular health.

1. Policy initiatives and guidance from government has been at fault. The example of the DRAX power station's conversion to biomass is a study in 'greenwash '.
2. The legacy of superannuated housing stock some of which retain originally coal-burning fire places (now in principle using 'smokeless' fuel) is a problem.
3. Governments' pandering to the over-powerful, large national house builders, allowing the persistence of poorly designed modern housing is a problem.
4. Inequality of wealth and income is a problem.

There are no simple solutions to the multitude of problems separating us from a healthy and sustainable environment — general public complacency, NOT LEAST!

[The PNP]

Most housing built since the 70’s don’t have a suitable flue, many were built with narrow pre-cast flue for use with gas fires.
As far as I’m aware no new builds are built with flues these days as part of the building regs requires the property needs to be “pressure tested” to eliminate air leakage so putting in flues and vents renders the air test useless.

Not an uncommon situation on newer homes.....Solution is an external steel flue.

[The PNP]

There is your instant problem, if wood became a major source for heating, you couldn't grow enough wood quickly enough to supply, in the USA away from the big cities wood burning is very often the major fuel, however it is reckoned that anything from 4 to 10 acres of woodland is needed to supply just one home, even at 4 acres per house in the UK we couldn't possibly achieve that and grow food, therefore you finish up buying wood in from all over the world, not exactly a good move.

That alone is a defeater for wood burning, plus of course storage of a very bulky fuel is another problem.

I can see your point.....If woodstoves/woodburning rapidly became widespread, there could be supply problems. But tbh, although there is a modest ongoing woodstove 'boom', I don't see demand for logs overtaking supply in the foreseeable future.

[Rigsby]

Not an uncommon situation on newer homes.....Solution is an external steel flue.

Sometimes difficult on a town house or mid terrace.

What type of flue is required, Class 1 / 2, if external is Twin or single wall used, I know someone who who installed a solid fuel fire in a modern house, it had to go external and was Class 1 Stainless Steel insulated twin wall, it cost a fortune and looked terrible.

[The PNP]

Sometimes difficult on a town house or mid terrace.

What type of flue is required, Class 1 / 2, if external is Twin or single wall used, I know someone who who installed a solid fuel fire in a modern house, it had to go external and was Class 1 Stainless Steel insulated twin wall, it cost a fortune and looked terrible.

Has to be twin-wall, and yes it's not cheap. Imo, 'looks' of external flues reminiscent of what you might see sticking out the back wall of a chinese chippy . But when it can be sited more or less out of view from the road, 'looks' become a relatively minor issue.