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Originally Posted by Rigsby
Agreed
The people that had a reaction to the Pfizer vaccine, had a history of allergic reactions to any vaccines they have had in the past. So it's a bit of a non story really.
The only question is “why were they given the vaccine if their medical history was known”
I also wondered why that was. Before any vaccination you're always asked if you have any allergies. As both NHS workers were aware of their allergies, and carried an epipen, I assume that their allergens weren't an ingredient in the Pfizer vaccine. Eggs and gelatin are the most common vaccine allergens. The Pfizer vaccine doesn't contain egg. I'm not sure about gelatin.
I wish they knew what caused the severe reaction. I'm allergic to milk and go into anaphylactic shock. I carry an epipen with me at all times. Hopefully they will ascertain what the cause was before it's my turn for a shot.
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The one and only time I had clams, I went into anaphylactic shock and had to be revived.
It's only clams, though. I'm perfectly OK with any other seafood, including mussels, which I really like.
There must be something in clams that other molluscs don't have, although I now avoid all of them.
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Originally Posted by seivad
Hopefully they will ascertain what the cause was before it's my turn for a shot.
Just heard that Canada has approved the Pfizer vaccine so it might not be too long.
Never, ever, argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience
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Vaccine ingredients
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I know what various vaccines might contain, but, apart from the fact that the Pfizer vaccine doesn't contain eggs, I didn't know what the non medicinal ingredients were. Health Canada has since posted them on their site and warned about taking the vaccine if you're allergic to any of the ingredients.
I've never had a problem with vaccines before. None of the ingredients seem to be milk products, but I'll give my GP a call and check with her. It will be a while before my age group gets the vaccine, so more might be known by then.
Non-medicinal ingredients:
ALC-0315 = ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
ALC-0159 = 2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine
cholesterol
dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate
monobasic potassium phosphate
potassium chloride
sodium chloride
sucrose
water for injection
EDIT:
Forgot to add that the US FDA issued its report yesterday. The final step before approval takes place tomorrow. A committee of independent scientists will pick apart the FDA reports before the FDA decides if the vaccine is safe and effective. The full proceedings is live streamed for the public to see. I'm not sure if you can get it in the UK, but I intend to watch it. They really do have the most rigorous process before they agree to emergency authorization.
You can read the FDA report on the link below.
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download
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Originally Posted by seivad
I also wondered why that was. Before any vaccination you're always asked if you have any allergies. As both NHS workers were aware of their allergies, and carried an epipen, I assume that their allergens weren't an ingredient in the Pfizer vaccine. Eggs and gelatin are the most common vaccine allergens. The Pfizer vaccine doesn't contain egg. I'm not sure about gelatin.
I wish they knew what caused the severe reaction. I'm allergic to milk and go into anaphylactic shock. I carry an epipen with me at all times. Hopefully they will ascertain what the cause was before it's my turn for a shot.
The finger seems to be pointed at the preservative used in the vaccine, nothing confirmed as yet, the only recommendation being that those who suffer from allergic reaction to avoid the injection, hope this is soon cleared, as this could prevent a considerable number from getting the vaccine.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
Underrated comment. That deserved more 'likes'.
Thanks.
I thought so, too.
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I presume this vaccine is available to be taken orally ?
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Originally Posted by seivad
I know what various vaccines might contain, but, apart from the fact that the Pfizer vaccine doesn't contain eggs, I didn't know what the non medicinal ingredients were. Health Canada has since posted them on their site and warned about taking the vaccine if you're allergic to any of the ingredients.
I've never had a problem with vaccines before. None of the ingredients seem to be milk products, but I'll give my GP a call and check with her. It will be a while before my age group gets the vaccine, so more might be known by then.
Non-medicinal ingredients:
ALC-0315 = ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate)
ALC-0159 = 2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide
1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine
cholesterol
dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate
monobasic potassium phosphate
potassium chloride
sodium chloride
sucrose
water for injection
EDIT:
Forgot to add that the US FDA issued its report yesterday. The final step before approval takes place tomorrow. A committee of independent scientists will pick apart the FDA reports before the FDA decides if the vaccine is safe and effective. The full proceedings is live streamed for the public to see. I'm not sure if you can get it in the UK, but I intend to watch it. They really do have the most rigorous process before they agree to emergency authorization.
You can read the FDA report on the link below.
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download
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"People who have a history of a significant allergic reaction to a vaccine, medicine, or food or who have been advised to carry an adrenaline autoinjector should not receive the Pfizer/BioNtech covid-19 vaccine, the UK’s medicine regulator has said.
The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is currently investigating two cases of anaphylactoid reactions in NHS staff who received the vaccine on 8 December. Both people—who have recovered—had a history of severe allergic reactions and carried adrenaline auto injectors.1
The MHRA has told people running sites that administer the vaccine to report any suspected adverse reactions through the yellow card scheme website2 and to ensure that they have appropriate resuscitation facilities available.
The mRNA vaccine has so far been approved in Canada and the UK, where people over 80 who are attending hospital or being discharged, as well as healthcare workers, are being prioritised. A phase III trial found it to be as much as 95% effective 28 days after the first dose.3 The data from the trial have not yet been published or peer reviewed.
In a statement Pfizer said, “We have been advised by MHRA of two yellow card reports that may be associated with allergic reaction due to administration of the covid-19 BNT162b2 vaccine. As a precautionary measure, the MHRA has issued temporary guidance to the NHS while it conducts an investigation in order to fully understand each case and its causes. Pfizer and BioNTech are supporting the MHRA in the investigation.”
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4780
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Originally Posted by local
I presume this vaccine is available to be taken orally ?
I don't think so, I read something the other day that the Russians are looking at making theirs in powder form, I also read somewhere else that a trial is to take place with the Oxford & Russian together.
All the spouting that was being made about Pfizer vaccine (& probably the Oxford) being rigorously tested is just poppycock it wasn't tested on anybody with any allergies how many other groups were also missed out to ensure that they got the test results they wanted? We can't have confidence in any vaccines or medicine authorities who have obviously passed something that had not been rigorously tested in the rush to market.
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