Well Done Boris

[silver fox]

Strange you should expose your ignorance yet again but here's a piece for you oh and it's from your favourite place;




On the contrary, more Brits than Czechs, Italians, Greeks and Slovaks perceive EU membership as a good thing today. Stronger feelings for the EU outside the UK cannot explain limited support for an exit from the EU, however. In Czechia, Greece, Croatia, and Cyprus there is even less attachment to the EU than in the UK. Moreover, Greeks, Slovenians, Czechs, Latvians, Italians, Cypriots, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Austrians are more convinced than the British that their country’s interests are not taken into account in the EU.


Hans Vollaard (Utrecht University)

You really are cementing your place as the Euro dunce no wonder you voted for remain you didn't understand what you were doing.

There are numerous polls and studies which show a much more positive than negative support for the EU, in the UK support for EU membership is probably at it’s highest at 60%, sadly too late for us.

The polls I have looked at are all comparatively recent, based on polls rather than opinion.

When it comes to the Euro dunce, might suggest a rethink.

For better or worse the die is cast and we are all stuck with it, preliminary info from “the deal” doesn’t look like grounds for improving this country’s finances or prospects.

Brexiteers have got what they wanted, don’t forget what you voted for if the results don’t meet expectations.

[The PNP]

How very sad that the narrow-mindedness of the Brexit fans has been able to harm this useful and popular programme.

Completely agree......Sounds like the UK Govt has seen excluding Erasmus from the deal, as an opportunity to save money. If the political will had been there on the UK's part, Erasmus could very likely have been continued.

[said]

How very sad that the narrow-mindedness of the Brexit fans has been able to harm this useful and popular programme.

It is far from popular and it is about as useful as a bent rusty nail.

[said]

Completely agree......Sounds like the UK Govt has seen excluding Erasmus from the deal, as an opportunity to save money. If the political will had been there on the UK's part, Erasmus could very likely have been continued.

You don't get it do you - even the students themselves state that the programme is a waste of tax payers money. It won't be the only waste either from what I understand of the new deal -the UK still has to pay into the EU to fund unnecessary projects.

Richard Tice :

Mr. Tice said, “A few days on, we have now been able to absorb the 1,250-page Trade Deal thatBoris Johnson has agreed with the EU.“There are some good elements that we should all be grateful for. We are free as a sovereignindependent nation again, politically free of the European Court of Justice. We are free togovern ourselves as we see fit.“However, as expected, Boris has oversold the deal and not been honest about certain aspects.The UK will still in fact be paying, potentially hundreds of millions of pounds each year, to fundunnamed, questionable EU projects including the European Defence Fund via the opaqueHorizon Europe programme. This will have to be repealed”.Mr. Tice continued, “Once again, a Conservative Prime Minister has sold the fishing industryand coastal communities down the river, just like Ted Heath did in the early 1970s. Fishermenare rightly steaming with anger.“At a later date, this will have to be repealed. Until then we will campaign for substantialadditional support for the industry, so it does not disappear. Coastal communities were reallyhoping this could herald regeneration and they have been let down. Their Tory MPs shouldhang their heads in shame.“The deal will be passed in Parliament and it does “get Brexit done”. Overall, it is a giant leapforward.

[Hamble]

UK students using Erasmus+ to study abroad : only 9,615
Non-UK students using Erasmus+ to study in UK : 18,702
Almost twice as many EU27 students benefit, compared to UK students
Total number of UK students : 1.87 million
Proportion of UK students using the EU’s Erasmus+ programme : only 0.51%
Pro-rata by population, the UK should be 11.0% of the total Erasmus+ student numbers
In fact the figure for the UK is only 4.3%
Non-UK Erasmus+ students benefit 2.5 times more than UK students, pro-rated by population
EU’s Erasmus+ budget is set to double, from €14.7 billion to €30 billion
According to the UN, more UK students go to the US and Australia than the rest of the EU combined.

[silver fox]

You don't get it do you - even the students themselves state that the programme is a waste of tax payers money. It won't be the only waste either from what I understand of the new deal -the UK still has to pay into the EU to fund unnecessary projects.

Richard Tice :

Mr. Tice said, “A few days on, we have now been able to absorb the 1,250-page Trade Deal thatBoris Johnson has agreed with the EU.“There are some good elements that we should all be grateful for. We are free as a sovereignindependent nation again, politically free of the European Court of Justice. We are free togovern ourselves as we see fit.“However, as expected, Boris has oversold the deal and not been honest about certain aspects.The UK will still in fact be paying, potentially hundreds of millions of pounds each year, to fundunnamed, questionable EU projects including the European Defence Fund via the opaqueHorizon Europe programme. This will have to be repealed”.Mr. Tice continued, “Once again, a Conservative Prime Minister has sold the fishing industryand coastal communities down the river, just like Ted Heath did in the early 1970s. Fishermenare rightly steaming with anger.“At a later date, this will have to be repealed. Until then we will campaign for substantialadditional support for the industry, so it does not disappear. Coastal communities were reallyhoping this could herald regeneration and they have been let down. Their Tory MPs shouldhang their heads in shame.“The deal will be passed in Parliament and it does “get Brexit done”. Overall, it is a giant leapforward.

You chose your quotes well???? Tice a Brexit Party politician, the least trustworthy people on the planet.

[said]

UK students using Erasmus+ to study abroad : only 9,615
Non-UK students using Erasmus+ to study in UK : 18,702
Almost twice as many EU27 students benefit, compared to UK students
Total number of UK students : 1.87 million
Proportion of UK students using the EU’s Erasmus+ programme : only 0.51%
Pro-rata by population, the UK should be 11.0% of the total Erasmus+ student numbers
In fact the figure for the UK is only 4.3%
Non-UK Erasmus+ students benefit 2.5 times more than UK students, pro-rated by population
EU’s Erasmus+ budget is set to double, from €14.7 billion to €30 billion
According to the UN, more UK students go to the US and Australia than the rest of the EU combined.

Those numbers quoted cover a total in 33 years.

[said]

You chose your quotes well???? Tice a Brexit Party politician, the least trustworthy people on the planet.

The EU/UK agreement has now been published. I have begun reading this - so far there seems to be a great bias towards the EU which was never intended.

"If a tax regime meets the gateway criterion of imposing a significantly lower effective level of taxationthan those levels which generally apply in the Participants, including zero taxation, it should beconsidered potentially harmful. Such a level of taxation may operate by virtue of the nominal tax rate,the tax base or any other relevant factor."

- I sincerely hope this relates only to goods into the EU.

Further reading is worrying for there does not appear to be a clear break from existing legislation. The UK will be expected to financially support high cost, low benefit programmes created by the EU that will be almost as expensive as membership fees as far as I can tell at the present. These projects will encroach on the private lives of UK citizens and place them under some form of EU control - this is not acceptable because it has nothing to do with EU/UK trade.

"2. As from 2021, and until 2027, each year, the contribution of the United Kingdom to HorizonEurope shall be adjusted by an amount obtained by multiplying the estimated amounts to be allocatedto beneficiaries of the EIC Fund established under the programme, excluding the amount stemmingfrom repayments and reflows, by the contribution key as defined in Article UNPRO.2.1(6)."...to be continued

[local]

It's a good idea but doesn't work well for us, lets hope the new scheme can get students around the world.

The obsession with the EU will wane as people realise what we have been missing.


https://ec.europa.eu/assets/eac/educ...figures_en.pdf

[local]

There are numerous polls and studies which show a much more positive than negative support for the EU, in the UK support for EU membership is probably at it’s highest at 60%, sadly too late for us.

The polls I have looked at are all comparatively recent, based on polls rather than opinion.

When it comes to the Euro dunce, might suggest a rethink.

For better or worse the die is cast and we are all stuck with it, preliminary info from “the deal” doesn’t look like grounds for improving this country’s finances or prospects.

Brexiteers have got what they wanted, don’t forget what you voted for if the results don’t meet expectations.

Don't be dragged down by the Euro dunce I was quoting from a fan of the EU he writes in the UK support for EU membership is probably at it’s highest at 60%, sadly too late for us.


As we all know people lie to pollsters even the orange one far exceeded

his poll numbers.

He does though mention the dissatisfaction with the EU across Europe the very same problems that led to us going.

As I have repeatedly said if the EU had been friendly to us and helped we would still be in whether I liked it or not.

[Hamble]

I notice Turkey is on the list Local posted.

Absolute proof to those lefty doubters of Turkey being coinsidered a serious candidate for succession.

https://studyinturkey.com/erasmus-exchange-programme/

[The PNP]

It's a good idea but doesn't work well for us, lets hope the new scheme can get students around the world.

The obsession with the EU will wane as people realise what we have been missing.

English-speaking students who go elsewhere in the world to study in English-speaking countries like the USA and Oz, are taking the easy option. They will miss out on a golden opportunity to acquire a second European language.....And lets not forget, even after Brexit, that Europe remains by far the major area the UK trades with. Ability to speak a European language, often gives the job applicant a clear advantage.

[local]

Who said English speaking ?

We already and will continue trading with Europe it's the rest of the world we have been missing out on.

[seivad]

The EU/UK agreement has now been published. I have begun reading this - so far there seems to be a great bias towards the EU which was never intended.

"If a tax regime meets the gateway criterion of imposing a significantly lower effective level of taxationthan those levels which generally apply in the Participants, including zero taxation, it should beconsidered potentially harmful. Such a level of taxation may operate by virtue of the nominal tax rate,the tax base or any other relevant factor."

- I sincerely hope this relates only to goods into the EU

The above declaration has nothing to do with goods going into the EU, or vice versa. It has nothing to do with domestic taxes or goods at all.

It's a declaration that both parties will continue to fight tax avoidance, uphold global standards and counter harmful tax regimes. It's nothing new, and is more concerned with initiatives developed by the OECD/G20, in which the UK/EU have been major contributors. The fewer companies that shift their profits offshore, the wealthier you will be. It's a good thing!

What could be harmful, is reading the agreement without understanding what certain items actually mean. I'm sure there are a few bogeymen hiding between the sheets of paper, but the above isn't one of them.

[local]

More than a few die-hards from all sides of the debate will be wading through the text over the holiday period looking for whatever suits their position.

The reality is we have an agreement the doom-mongers said we wouldn't, from a Prime Minister they said didn't want one.

It appears Von Der Layen (Who I am warming to) and Boris succeeded. Only the most optimistic would think we won't have more problems to overcome.

I now look forward to the empty shops (except mackerel) miles of tailbacks and economic disasters forecast by the doom-mongers.

The reality is people like Von der Layen and Boris will be out there taking advantage and providing jobs and tax receipts so that the economically illiterate can whine from their chairs.