Evading / Avoiding the Rules.

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How would that help if the person who was deaf / hard of hearing relied on lip reading ?

If you can’t wear a mask, wear a clear shield.

The majority of those who are exempt (or claim to be exempt) have respiratory problems, the very thing that the virus affects most, so why put yourselves at risk by going into busy shops.

There are individuals / organisations only to happy to help with shopping.

Its not forever.

A mask is meant to be worn with a shield.
The shield alone is no protection unfortunately.

I agree re the respiratory sufferers.

Information has always told us that wearing a mask is to protect people with no symptoms carrying/spreading the virus to others.
Perhaps that is why the none mask wearers are happy to mingle.

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You will find that most people disagree with wearing a mask and that includes many vulnerable people too. Not all of them visit your store. Like everything else - there are differences of opinion, and the scientific view is stronger.


WHO Web Page:
"Medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are:

• composed of 3 layers of synthetic nonwoven materials
• configured to have filtration layers sandwiched in the middle
• available in different thicknesses
• have various levels of fluid-resistance and filtration

Respirators (also known as filtering facepiece respirators – FFP) are available at different performance levels such as FFP2, FFP3, N95, N99.

Medical masks and respirator masks are similar in their protection value. However, respirators are specific for certain procedures and instances because they have a tightly fitted component to them. Respirator masks are designed to protect healthcare workers who provide care to COVID-19 patients in settings and areas where aerosol generating procedures are undertaken. Healthcare workers should be fit tested before using a respirator to ensure that they are wearing the correct size. Wearing a loose-fitting respirator will not offer the same protection to the wearer and may allow small particles to get inside the mask through the sides."


"Plastic visors are designed as spray protectors, so that if someone coughs in your face, it will protect you against the really big droplets – but smaller droplets can still be carried in the air, and under the visor.
This also applies to the droplets you breathe out: A recent Japanese study found that almost 100% of airborne droplets of less than 5 micrometres in size escaped through the kind of plastic visors often worn by people working in service industries. “The one thing they do provide, which a face mask doesn’t, is protection for your eyes,” says Noakes. Since some respiratory viruses, including coronavirus, can enter the body through this route, combining a face mask with a visor may provide an extra layer of protection." The Guardian

"It’s partly because surgical masks, whether store-bought or homemade, don’t protect the wearer against the COVID-19 virus, the CDC says. But face masks can help prevent infected people from spreading the virus, even if they have no symptoms — prompting the change.


“So it’s not going to protect you, but it is going to protectyour neighbor,” said infectious disease specialist Dr. Daniel Griffin atColumbia University, NPR reported.<o></o
There’sa catch, however. You have to wear the mask correctly and dispose of itproperly, or you might actually increase the infection risk to yourself orothers.<o></o
“That’swhat I see all the time,” Griffin said, NPR reported. “That’s why in thestudies, masks fail — people don’t use them (correctly). They touch the frontof it. They adjust it. They push it down somehow to get their nose stuck out.”Seattle Times<o></o

If you are going to copy and paste could you at least try to make the type face and font size the same so it's readable.

Regardless of the pro's & cons of mask wearing, whether you are a covididiot mask-denier it is compulsory to wear a mask unless you fall into one the specific categories so your post is pretty pointless.

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Can you answer just one question - a mask is supposed to protect other people from any contagion you may be carrying, right? So how is it that quite a few medical staff who wear a mask all the time when dealing with victims of C19 - still contract the virus?

That's simple Prof the virus lives on things and gets transferred and as we and especially you know masks are not 100% effective.

Anyway when you went to Splashworld and wore your mask did you feel you would be safer with it or without it?

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Can you answer just one question - a mask is supposed to protect other people from any contagion you may be carrying, right? So how is it that quite a few medical staff who wear a mask all the time when dealing with victims of C19 - still contract the virus?

Nobody is saying that masks are 100% effective, it’s all about minimising the risk.

If no one wears a mask the risk is greater, if one person wears one it will reduce the risk, if everyone wears one it will reduce further, if everyone wears one and keeps at least 2 mtrs apart and so on.

Whats so difficult to understand, the more precautions we take the better for all, it won’t eliminate the risk altogether but “every little helps”

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Can you answer just one question - a mask is supposed to protect other people from any contagion you may be carrying, right? So how is it that quite a few medical staff who wear a mask all the time when dealing with victims of C19 - still contract the virus?

A mask is not an impregnable shield, even wearing a spacesuit would not give 100% protection so like a vaccine these measures all give differing degrees of protection so if you require 100% protection you need to move to another planet, some say you already have, all corners of this planet now have the virus even Antarctica.

https://explorersweb.com/2020/12/22/...es-antarctica/

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Can you answer just one question - a mask is supposed to protect other people from any contagion you may be carrying, right? So how is it that quite a few medical staff who wear a mask all the time when dealing with victims of C19 - still contract the virus?

You really are a special kind of stupid aren't you!


How many times does it need explaining?

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He speaks with a forked tongue, he wore one when he went to Splashworld for his test for the "Flu"

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Whilst I agree with the supermarket stance, something they should have been doing from day one but how can this be enforced.

If you are the type to ignore the mask rule and are challenged you're simply going to reply I'm except, what can the supermarket do then?

I've posted on previous threads, I work in retail and 30 - 40% don't wear a mask, I've challenged and been told to f off or as I said "I'm exempt" there is a clear demographic 20's, with the smell of pot on most of the offenders, perhaps they think that gives them immunity!

"Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law."
There are no checks in place when it comes to downloading an exemption card template from the Government website. The authorities are, in effect, trusting people to be honest.
This leaves police in a difficult position because shoppers not wearing masks are under no obligation to show evidence that they have an exemption.
The guidance suggests the only realistic basis for police to issue a fine is if the customer admits they have no exemption and refuses to leave. Liverpool Echo

There is absolutely no evidence whatever to prove the masks have any effect. Just because people are customers does not mean they are dumb, many have a good understanding of science. The best stores to visit are those who display an adherence to the government request while treating customers with respect as given to adults, and not as children. These are the busiest stores in town.

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WARNING - THIS VIDEO CONTAINS SCENES YOU MAY FIND UPSETTING

THE ONLY THING UPSETTING, IS YOU CONSTANTLY POSTING DISINFORMATION.

VIDEO REMOVED.

Masks do not affect gas exchange

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...breathlessness

Wearing a mask does not reduce a person’s oxygen supply or cause a build-up of carbon dioxide

https://www.blf.org.uk/support-for-y...face-coverings

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If you are going to copy and paste could you at least try to make the type face and font size the same so it's readable.

Regardless of the pro's & cons of mask wearing, whether you are a covididiot mask-denier it is compulsory to wear a mask unless you fall into one the specific categories so your post is pretty pointless.

Sorry - When I copy and paste the print is fine, it is only when it is posted it changes. Being lazy I did not edit it - will do next time.

Went into two food shops today, I don't normally do much shopping - none of the customers were wearing masks unless you can count a guy who had his scarf over his face.

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Sorry - When I copy and paste the print is fine, it is only when it is posted it changes. Being lazy I did not edit it - will do next time.

Went into two food shops today, I don't normally do much shopping - none of the customers were wearing masks unless you can count a guy who had his scarf over his face.

Well, you know where not to shop now, perhaps you should let us all know so the more vulnerable and cautious posters here can avoid them as well.

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"Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law."
There are no checks in place when it comes to downloading an exemption card template from the Government website. The authorities are, in effect, trusting people to be honest.
This leaves police in a difficult position because shoppers not wearing masks are under no obligation to show evidence that they have an exemption.
The guidance suggests the only realistic basis for police to issue a fine is if the customer admits they have no exemption and refuses to leave. Liverpool Echo

There is absolutely no evidence whatever to prove the masks have any effect. Just because people are customers does not mean they are dumb, many have a good understanding of science. The best stores to visit are those who display an adherence to the government request while treating customers with respect as given to adults, and not as children. These are the busiest stores in town.

Here's some evidence for you prof;

Face masks: what the data say
The science supports that face coverings are saving lives during the coronavirus pandemic, and yet the debate trundles on. How much evidence is enough?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8


I suppose you will ignore this but as I keep saying and you keep ignoring me how was the covid test and was wearing your mask at splashworld ok?


Anyone would think you have gone off me

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"Carrying an exemption card or badge is a personal choice and is not required by law."
There are no checks in place when it comes to downloading an exemption card template from the Government website. The authorities are, in effect, trusting people to be honest.
This leaves police in a difficult position because shoppers not wearing masks are under no obligation to show evidence that they have an exemption.
The guidance suggests the only realistic basis for police to issue a fine is if the customer admits they have no exemption and refuses to leave. Liverpool Echo

There is absolutely no evidence whatever to prove the masks have any effect. Just because people are customers does not mean they are dumb, many have a good understanding of science. The best stores to visit are those who display an adherence to the government request while treating customers with respect as given to adults, and not as children. These are the busiest stores in town.

Yes, the best stores to visit are the ones adhering to the rules but putting somebody on the door to challenge somebody not wearing a mask does not make it safe . Today I visited Morrisons, there was nobody on the door controlling incoming customers and queues at the tills blocking the aisles, insufficient tills open and too many customers in the store and that was only Friday afternoon. The supermarkets are cramming customers in case they see a queue and they go somewhere else, they should disinfecting / cleansing the trollies not the customers and should only be allowing enough customers in the store to ensure there are not people queuing down the aisles.

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Yes, the best stores to visit are the ones adhering to the rules but putting somebody on the door to challenge somebody not wearing a mask does not make it safe . Today I visited Morrisons, there was nobody on the door controlling incoming customers and queues at the tills blocking the aisles, insufficient tills open and too many customers in the store and that was only Friday afternoon. The supermarkets are cramming customers in case they see a queue and they go somewhere else, they should disinfecting / cleansing the trollies not the customers and should only be allowing enough customers in the store to ensure there are not people queuing down the aisles.

Funny you should say that - there are people who are allergic to several cleaning agents. In one particular store I visited, the chemicals were so strong I got a sneezing fit. Two metre distancing?? The space around me was at least fifteen metres radius that day. Ha!Ha!

Seriously though - you all want to consider what you are saying. Many years ago people were far more gracious to others, far more tolerant. Society consists of either a load of gripers or tell tales nowadays - neither of which are particularly nice to socialise with.

Stand back and look around you rationally - that is all I am asking. You are all adults, you are not children - surely you can see, not what you are being told - you can see what most people can see. There is no misinformation - it is what is in front of your eyes. Think! Are there ambulance sirens going off all through the day? Are the cemeteries and crematoriums jammed packed full of hearses? Are the hospital car parks full? Are people suddenly coming over weak and having to sit down?

Do you honestly think disabled people like to wear a badge and lanyard? What is that reminiscent of where people were forced to be distinguished from others? What about those people who do not physically appear to be disabled? How do you know that they have not experienced some trauma in their lives where a mask could create anxiety? Or perhaps it reminds them of a period when they were confronted with dictatorial controls? Even those on illegal drugs and the like, may have other disabilities. The fact is you do not know and cannot know unless you feel it is your right to demand that these people give up their privacy rights. Then that again relates to a period of history resulting in the famous trials of such accusers, which is best forgotten except as a reminder of human attitudes.

That is the psychology bit - the science? Yes, I do know my stuff. What I have told you is absolutely correct - but I am no match for constant and continual misleading statements and reports covering every news outlet in every place you look. Can't do anything about that - but I will reiterate that viruses are a part of all living things, viruses are present in good number in all living beings and if they mutate or move around, no man nor God will stop them. They are everywhere in the environment all around you. There are around 200 viruses that will cause common cold like symptoms, alone.

You may have noticed that the official records now publish BOTH Covid 19 and Influenza together now. Have you such short memories that you do not recall smallpox, or anthrax etc.,? And it has not occurred to you why there has been such an explosion of events since 1970?

The Covid is the least of your worries - it is merely the seed of what is to come. Don't individualise people - we are all facing the same outcome.