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Oh dear, if the 12 weeks gap hasn’t come from government, where has it come from pray tell?

Scientists, medics, the manufacturers, indeed anyone with knowledge, no-one has recommended the 12 week gap, yes I fully understood the desire to get at least one injection into as many people as possible, but if this interferes with the effectiveness of the vaccine, then of course the exercise becomes self defeating, currently most recommended intervals between injections are not in excess of 6 weeks.

Plus with the delivery hiccups we have already seen the second injections could be delayed, that would not be good.

This demonstrates the lamentable lack of understanding that seems endemic amongst the covidiots and helps the anti-vaxxers to gain traction in their dangerous campaign.


The "guvvernment" did not come up with the 12 week second jab proposal.

I would ask that this post above be removed its on par with our Professor of nonsense posts.



The four Chief Medical Officers and The JCVI who did are;

Membership
Professor Andrew Pollard, Chair (University of Oxford)
Professor Lim Wei Shen, Chair COVID-19 immunisation (Nottingham University Hospitals)
Professor Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair (University of Oxford)
Dr Kevin Brown (Public Health England)
Dr Rebecca Cordery (Public Health England)
Dr Maggie Wearmouth (East Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust)
Professor Matt Keeling (University of Warwick)
Alison Lawrence (lay member)
Professor Robert Read (Southampton General Hospital)
Professor Anthony Scott (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine)
Professor Adam Finn (University of Bristol)
Dr Fiona van der Klis (National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Netherlands)
Professor Maarten Postma (University of Groningen)
Professor Simon Kroll (Imperial College London)
Dr Martin Williams (University Hospitals Bristol)

They have a covid sub committee.

COVID-19 sub-committee
Professor Lim Wei Shen (Chair) (Nottingham University Hospitals)
Professor Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair (University of Oxford)
Dr Kevin Brown (Public Health England)
Dr Rebecca Cordery (Public Health England)
Dr Maggie Wearmouth (East Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust)
Professor Matt Keeling (University of Warwick)
Alison Lawrence (lay member)
Professor Robert Read (Southampton General Hospital)
Professor Anthony Scott (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine)
Professor Adam Finn (University of Bristol)
Dr Fiona van der Klis (National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Netherlands)
Professor Maarten Postma (University of Groningen)
Professor Simon Kroll (Imperial College London)
Dr Martin Williams (University Hospitals Bristol)
Professor Jeremy Brown (University College London Hospitals)
Professor Bryan Charleston (The Pirbright Institute)
Professor Lucy Yardley (University of Southampton)
Professor Robert Dingwall (Nottingham Trent University)
Professor Liz Miller (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine)

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This demonstrates the lamentable lack of understanding that seems endemic amongst the covidiots and helps the anti-vaxxers to gain traction in their dangerous campaign.


The "guvvernment" did not come up with the 12 week second jab proposal.

I would ask that this post above be removed its on par with our Professor of nonsense posts.



The four Chief Medical Officers and The JCVI who did are;

Membership
Professor Andrew Pollard, Chair (University of Oxford)
Professor Lim Wei Shen, Chair COVID-19 immunisation (Nottingham University Hospitals)
Professor Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair (University of Oxford)
Dr Kevin Brown (Public Health England)
Dr Rebecca Cordery (Public Health England)
Dr Maggie Wearmouth (East Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust)
Professor Matt Keeling (University of Warwick)
Alison Lawrence (lay member)
Professor Robert Read (Southampton General Hospital)
Professor Anthony Scott (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine)
Professor Adam Finn (University of Bristol)
Dr Fiona van der Klis (National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Netherlands)
Professor Maarten Postma (University of Groningen)
Professor Simon Kroll (Imperial College London)
Dr Martin Williams (University Hospitals Bristol)

They have a covid sub committee.

COVID-19 sub-committee
Professor Lim Wei Shen (Chair) (Nottingham University Hospitals)
Professor Anthony Harnden, Deputy Chair (University of Oxford)
Dr Kevin Brown (Public Health England)
Dr Rebecca Cordery (Public Health England)
Dr Maggie Wearmouth (East Sussex Healthcare NHS Trust)
Professor Matt Keeling (University of Warwick)
Alison Lawrence (lay member)
Professor Robert Read (Southampton General Hospital)
Professor Anthony Scott (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine)
Professor Adam Finn (University of Bristol)
Dr Fiona van der Klis (National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Netherlands)
Professor Maarten Postma (University of Groningen)
Professor Simon Kroll (Imperial College London)
Dr Martin Williams (University Hospitals Bristol)
Professor Jeremy Brown (University College London Hospitals)
Professor Bryan Charleston (The Pirbright Institute)
Professor Lucy Yardley (University of Southampton)
Professor Robert Dingwall (Nottingham Trent University)
Professor Liz Miller (London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine)

Impressive list, but there are just as many who do not share this view, just to keep you up to date the Oxford vaccine has now been cleared for an interval of 12 weeks between jabs, the Pfizer vaccine has not yet been cleared for a longer gap than 6 weeks.

Just how the hell does my post support anti- vaxxers? that is total nonsense, but I suppose you need to invent something, anything, to oppose anyone who dares to utter criticism of the government.

The decision was and is taken by the government, all other bodies are advisory, the government then selects which advice it chooses to follow, to repeat I fully understand the reasons for the gap, the thinking that the more people getting just one jab the better, however the question still remains does this have any effect on the efficiency of the vaccine.

Just to put your mind at rest, if it were possible to inject the entire population today I would certainly approve, in the meantime I along with others will have to wait our turn and will most certainly accept the opportunity.

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Impressive list, but there are just as many who do not share this view, just to keep you up to date the Oxford vaccine has now been cleared for an interval of 12 weeks between jabs, the Pfizer vaccine has not yet been cleared for a longer gap than 6 weeks.

Just how the hell does my post support anti- vaxxers? that is total nonsense, but I suppose you need to invent something, anything, to oppose anyone who dares to utter criticism of the government.

The decision was and is taken by the government, all other bodies are advisory, the government then selects which advice it chooses to follow, to repeat I fully understand the reasons for the gap, the thinking that the more people getting just one jab the better, however the question still remains does this have any effect on the efficiency of the vaccine.

Just to put your mind at rest, if it were possible to inject the entire population today I would certainly approve, in the meantime I along with others will have to wait our turn and will most certainly accept the opportunity.

How many times ITS NOT THE GOVERNMENT I even gave you a bloody list of who.


The anti-vaxxers will use anything that suggests that the government are behind this not a panel of medical experts to undermine the vaccine. .

Please edit your post at the least I would prefer it removed but its not up to me.

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How many times ITS NOT THE GOVERNMENT I even gave you a bloody list of who.


The anti-vaxxers will use anything that suggests that the government are behind this not a panel of medical experts to undermine the vaccine. .

Please edit your post at the least I would prefer it removed but its not up to me.

You gave a list of advisory groups, policy decisions are taken by government, now how that can have the slightest effect on assorted anti-vaxxer nut jobs?

Come on man are you trying to say that unelected quangos can now implement policy decisions without the government’s agreement.

At no time have I ever been in any way supportive of anti-vaxxers and you know it, your only problem is that anyone dares to question the government, frankly I would feel free to question any government of any persuasion, but with you there must not be a hint of holding the saintly Johnson to account for anything.

[Toodles McGinty]

Discussing people having the vaccine gives fuel to anti-vaxxers?

How odd.

A primitive attempt to distract from scrutiny of the issue, I'd say.

Regardless of what any experts say, it is the government who makes the decisions. Just as they've occasionally ignored the advice of experts since the start of this pandemic. All that 'Battling Experts'. Disregarding the new strain in September. Even the start of it, waiting until after a horse racing weekend run by the apparently missing Diana Harding.

Here's hoping the decision is correct, for all our sakes. Both the government and the opposition backing them will have (more) blood on their hands if it goes wrong. The Pfizer protocol is clear. the AZ less so. As one expert said, ‘If we do see immunity tailing off before 12 weeks we can rapidly change the policy’. So basically if people die they’ll just change their minds.

What I find really puzzling about this is the blind, sycophantic faith in a government or party. Particularly one with one of the worst death rates in the world. This bizarre belief that politicians, never the most honest or decent set of human beings going, (nor the brightest, looking across Parliament) cannot be questioned by the public they are meant to be serving. What is this servile grovelling?

It's like some kind of Stockholm Syndrome. 100,000 dead (just counting those who died within 28 days of a test) and no questions are to be asked? No independent thought? I'm not sure if it's particular to the right, or there is this besotted thrall across the political spectrum. Although it was witnessed with the Corbynistas, so I'm guessing the latter.

If any government or party can't be questioned, it is not a democracy. It's a dictatorship.

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How many times ITS NOT THE GOVERNMENT I even gave you a bloody list of who.


The anti-vaxxers will use anything that suggests that the government are behind this not a panel of medical experts to undermine the vaccine. .

Please edit your post at the least I would prefer it removed but its not up to me.

How do you come up with people who want the vaccine to be administered as per the manufacturers instructions and the approval authorities approval conditions being antivaxers?

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How do you come up with people who want the vaccine to be administered as per the manufacturers instructions and the approval authorities approval conditions being antivaxers?

Nothing to do with anti-vaxxers, that's just a smoke screen, this is just stamping of little feet, that anyone dare to question in any way the decisions of the government.

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How do you come up with people who want the vaccine to be administered as per the manufacturers instructions and the approval authorities approval conditions being antivaxers?

You need to re-read the post I put;


The anti-vaxxers will use anything that suggests that the government are behind this not a panel of medical experts to undermine the vaccine. .

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Nothing to do with anti-vaxxers, that's just a smoke screen, this is just stamping of little feet, that anyone dare to question in any way the decisions of the government.

How many times do you need it putting to you, are you being deliberately obtuse?

The Government did not come up with this plan they just followed the advice of an esteemed group of experts to vaccinate as many people as possible to save as many lives as possible with a limited supply.


The Oxford Covid vaccine is more effective when the second dose is delayed, according to the UK medicines regulator, with the Government’s expert vaccine committee adding that this is likely to also be the case for the Pfizer vaccine.

Regulatory documents filed by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said there was ‘more certainty’ of the efficacy of Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine if the second dose is delayed by eight to 12 weeks after the first.

And documents published by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) this afternoon added that there was ‘no strong reason’ to believe the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine would be any different.

The MHRA has authorised the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine to be given as two doses, separated by four to 12 weeks, and the Pfizer one at two doses between three to 12 weeks.

However, in regulatory documents it has drawn up for healthcare professionals the MHRA said its analysis revealed ‘increased immunogenicity was associated with a longer dose interval’.

It said that giving the second dose eight to 12 weeks after the first provided a more certain immune response.

Oxford University, which developed the vaccine, has also noted the MHRA’s finding about longer intervals between doses ‘may translate into better protection’.

It comes after the UK’s four chief medical officers changed their advice about prolonging the interval between the two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

GPs are now recommended to delay the second dose by up to 12 weeks – when initially they had been told to give it after three weeks.

The MHRA’s regulatory documents on the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, published this week, said: ‘Exploratory analyses showed that increased immunogenicity was associated with a longer dose interval.

‘Efficacy is currently demonstrated with more certainty for dose intervals from 8 to 12 weeks. Data for intervals longer than 12 weeks are limited.’



https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/cl...nment-experts/

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Discussing people having the vaccine gives fuel to anti-vaxxers?

How odd.

A primitive attempt to distract from scrutiny of the issue, I'd say.

Regardless of what any experts say, it is the government who makes the decisions. Just as they've occasionally ignored the advice of experts since the start of this pandemic. All that 'Battling Experts'. Disregarding the new strain in September. Even the start of it, waiting until after a horse racing weekend run by the apparently missing Diana Harding.

Here's hoping the decision is correct, for all our sakes. Both the government and the opposition backing them will have (more) blood on their hands if it goes wrong. The Pfizer protocol is clear. the AZ less so. As one expert said, ‘If we do see immunity tailing off before 12 weeks we can rapidly change the policy’. So basically if people die they’ll just change their minds.

What I find really puzzling about this is the blind, sycophantic faith in a government or party. Particularly one with one of the worst death rates in the world. This bizarre belief that politicians, never the most honest or decent set of human beings going, (nor the brightest, looking across Parliament) cannot be questioned by the public they are meant to be serving. What is this servile grovelling?

It's like some kind of Stockholm Syndrome. 100,000 dead (just counting those who died within 28 days of a test) and no questions are to be asked? No independent thought? I'm not sure if it's particular to the right, or there is this besotted thrall across the political spectrum. Although it was witnessed with the Corbynistas, so I'm guessing the latter.

If any government or party can't be questioned, it is not a democracy. It's a dictatorship.

Who are the anti-vaxxers? Are they the people who have turned down having a vaccine?

It is NOT a new strain of Covid 19 that gave rise to concern in September - it is a variant. Any variant from an original virus - that is, up until now - have always been weaker than the parent virus.

The period between vaccines cannot be determined since it is not known how long any vaccine will remain effective for, if it even does.

The number of deaths which have been quoted for Covid 19, have not exceeded the normal number of deaths in any one year. Italy has claimed that after a research program, it was found that 99% of those who died, were older people who had three or more other illnesses.(BLOOMBERG) Unfortunately, this same number of people would have died naturally with Covid or without it. Italy is set to get the largest payout from the Pandemic Fund of E222 billion. The UK will receive a little more than this from a second fund.

Democracy? Only in the weakest sense. The US has moved from a democratic status to one of Plutocracy, and we are likely to follow.

[SteveandLois]

My wife had stem-cell procedure in September 2020,and I am her 24/7 "carer"..And as my wife is listed as being very vulnerable for Covid,we are waiting patiently for our postal appointment/s dates for the vaccine to arrive in the near future...No chance of travelling out of the area,due to my wife's immune system being affected with the chemo during her SCP last year...

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How many times do you need it putting to you, are you being deliberately obtuse?

The Government did not come up with this plan they just followed the advice of an esteemed group of experts to vaccinate as many people as possible to save as many lives as possible with a limited supply.


The Oxford Covid vaccine is more effective when the second dose is delayed, according to the UK medicines regulator, with the Government’s expert vaccine committee adding that this is likely to also be the case for the Pfizer vaccine.

Regulatory documents filed by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said there was ‘more certainty’ of the efficacy of Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine if the second dose is delayed by eight to 12 weeks after the first.

And documents published by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) this afternoon added that there was ‘no strong reason’ to believe the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine would be any different.

The MHRA has authorised the Oxford/Astra Zeneca vaccine to be given as two doses, separated by four to 12 weeks, and the Pfizer one at two doses between three to 12 weeks.

However, in regulatory documents it has drawn up for healthcare professionals the MHRA said its analysis revealed ‘increased immunogenicity was associated with a longer dose interval’.

It said that giving the second dose eight to 12 weeks after the first provided a more certain immune response.

Oxford University, which developed the vaccine, has also noted the MHRA’s finding about longer intervals between doses ‘may translate into better protection’.

It comes after the UK’s four chief medical officers changed their advice about prolonging the interval between the two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

GPs are now recommended to delay the second dose by up to 12 weeks – when initially they had been told to give it after three weeks.

The MHRA’s regulatory documents on the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine, published this week, said: ‘Exploratory analyses showed that increased immunogenicity was associated with a longer dose interval.

‘Efficacy is currently demonstrated with more certainty for dose intervals from 8 to 12 weeks. Data for intervals longer than 12 weeks are limited.’



https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/cl...nment-experts/

Me being obtuse???? You must be joking.

Any National disaster, crisis or critical situation, whether that be financial, medical, natural or even hostile, there will be groups advising the government, but the final decision on response or action will be made by the government, this isn’t some sort of attack just a simple statement of fact.

Did you actually read the article you quoted from, first of all your “experts” are “fairly” sure that the Oxford vaccine is safe with the longer interval between jabs and they believe that the Pfizer vaccine will react similarly, this is all opinion, granted educated opinion but not proven in any way.


Also if you bothered to read the complete article you would also find considered opinion which does not agree with the longer intervals between particularly the Pfizer vaccine.

[Grassroots.]

Had my first jab Sunday , had the Oxford , only reaction was yesterday felt very tired other than that no problems, feel great today .

[Toodles McGinty]

My wife had stem-cell procedure in September 2020,and I am her 24/7 "carer"..And as my wife is listed as being very vulnerable for Covid,we are waiting patiently for our postal appointment/s dates for the vaccine to arrive in the near future...No chance of travelling out of the area,due to my wife's immune system being affected with the chemo during her SCP last year...

Fingers crossed you both get it soon. It's frightening out there without it.

Had my first jab Sunday , had the Oxford , only reaction was yesterday felt very tired other than that no problems, feel great today .

Good news. I've read the immunity gets stronger with a larger gap with the AZ jab, so that may be the best one to have in the long term.

It's all new, though the research into coronaviruses has been ongoing for a long time. I don't know if life will ever get back to 'normal' again but heres hoping we can get to some semblance of normality in the next 12 months.

I reckon mask wearing will be here to stay for years yet, and hand-washing / hygiene routines will stick with us, but that's a small price to pay. Might eventually cut down on all manner of diseases.

[Grassroots.]

Had my first on Sunday, felt very tired yesterday, other than that no problems .