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  1. Sap33 says:22/01/2021 08:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Or make a lay-by for the buses to park in - and extend the lane full length of the street - on both sides....
    So, just for clarification, you're suggesting reducing some of the pavement for a bus lay-by?






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  3. The PNP says:22/01/2021 10:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Sap33 View Post
    So, just for clarification, you're suggesting reducing some of the pavement for a bus lay-by?
    Yes, it is a practical solution if done correctly. A half-width layby leaves space for bikes to overtake a parked bus, without having to ride across the solid white line into the live traffic lane. The pavement is wide enough to take it, whilst still allowing space for pedestrians to walk past. A full-width bus layby would however require hiving off part of the memorial garden, which would be difficult to achieve because there would undoubtedly be much opposition.

  4. Sap33 says:22/01/2021 11:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Yes, it is a practical solution if done correctly. A half-width layby leaves space for bikes to overtake a parked bus, without having to ride across the solid white line into the live traffic lane. The pavement is wide enough to take it, whilst still allowing space for pedestrians to walk past. A full-width bus layby would however require hiving off part of the memorial garden, which would be difficult to achieve because there would undoubtedly be much opposition.
    So, while a cyclist can pass, the other traffic (not just the taxi's and buses, but the self important half-wits who want to queue jump), has to move into the 'live traffic lane'?

    In my opinion, (which is just that, an opinion!), Lord Street should be just opened up to traffic. I'd put double yellows along Albert Road, to help with flow, leave Queens Road as restricted access, to help keep cyclists and motorists a bit more separate, (With cameras at the junctions of Queens Road/Manchester Road and at Queens Road/Park Road) and open up Hoghton Street.

    My thoughts behind this are:-

    Remove the restrictive parking on Albert Road, which is the main Road in.

    Queens Road is narrower, when passing parked cars on a bike, I've lost count of the those 'less patient' trying to force their way past in a car.

    Hoghton Street is generally fairly quiet and plenty wide enough for cyclists and the traffic without the need for the bollards.

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  6. said says:22/01/2021 02:09 PM
    Most cyclists enjoy the countryside far more than urban areas - if anything, there should be more cycle lanes connecting to existing outlying cycle paths. A bridge over the Ribble would be good. There are very few commuting cyclists in town now because of the risk of having a bike stolen.

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  8. said says:22/01/2021 02:16 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Sap33 View Post
    So, while a cyclist can pass, the other traffic (not just the taxi's and buses, but the self important half-wits who want to queue jump), has to move into the 'live traffic lane'?

    In my opinion, (which is just that, an opinion!), Lord Street should be just opened up to traffic. I'd put double yellows along Albert Road, to help with flow, leave Queens Road as restricted access, to help keep cyclists and motorists a bit more separate, (With cameras at the junctions of Queens Road/Manchester Road and at Queens Road/Park Road) and open up Hoghton Street.

    My thoughts behind this are:-

    Remove the restrictive parking on Albert Road, which is the main Road in.

    Queens Road is narrower, when passing parked cars on a bike, I've lost count of the those 'less patient' trying to force their way past in a car.

    Hoghton Street is generally fairly quiet and plenty wide enough for cyclists and the traffic without the need for the bollards.

    Have you noticed by chance, that the cycle lane bollards on Hoghton Street which have been demolished by 'vandals' coincide with the business fronts? Very thoughtful those vandals.

  9. lawed143 says:22/01/2021 05:15 PM
    Jaysus, there are some right selfish bell ends on here aren't there. The number of me me me idiots is astounding.
    So what if there is a small percentage of road space allocated to cyclists. There should be far more. And penalties for dangerous drivers who put their own time limited self centred right of entitlement above the health and safety of vulnerable road users should be strengthened too.

    Drivists are feeling putout because they've had the allocation of all space to themselves for far too long, but that space is being re-allocated without 'their say'. Well BooHoo to you. Get out of bed 5 minuets earlier, if those few minutes are having such a detrimental impact one your life.

    Grow uo and stop bloody moaning.

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  11. Sap33 says:22/01/2021 05:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    Most cyclists enjoy the countryside far more than urban areas - if anything, there should be more cycle lanes connecting to existing outlying cycle paths. A bridge over the Ribble would be good. There are very few commuting cyclists in town now because of the risk of having a bike stolen.
    Where would you put this bridge and, far more importantly, have you any idea how much something like that would cost?

    You seem to completely miss the point that the idea to these cycle lanes is to encourage people to use bikes to get in to town, not just cycle around it!

    There are a few cyclists who commute, if the facilities were there, you'd probably get more! I drive to and from work at the start of a set of shifts, with my kit ironed ready, after that I'll cycle as it's better for my health, benefits my pocket and the environment. At the same time, it's one less car on the road, making it easier for others.

  12. The PNP says:22/01/2021 05:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    A) Most cyclists enjoy the countryside far more than urban areas - if anything, there should be more cycle lanes connecting to existing outlying cycle paths.

    B) A bridge over the Ribble would be good. There are very few commuting cyclists in town now because of the risk of having a bike stolen.
    A) True, a ride in the countryside on quiet lanes, is an enjoyable experience. Riding in town is fraught with risk and can be an angst-inducing experience....The big roundabout at Kew in particular is a nightmare to negotiate.

    B) I suspect you mean a foot/cycle bridge over the Douglas at Tarleton. There was a design competition for one, several years ago. However, nothing further has come of it so far....There are also long-term ambitions for a roadbridge over the Ribble, linking Pemberton and the Blackpool Rd (A583).

  13. The PNP says:22/01/2021 05:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Sap33 View Post
    A) In my opinion, (which is just that, an opinion!), Lord Street should be just opened up to traffic. I'd put double yellows along Albert Road, to help with flow, leave Queens Road as restricted access, to help keep cyclists and motorists a bit more separate, (With cameras at the junctions of Queens Road/Manchester Road and at Queens Road/Park Road) and open up Hoghton Street.
    Agree with some of that. Albert Rd certainly needs yellow lines on both sides. Properties along it have off-road parking, so would be little affected. The big problem at present, is the people who park there all day, to avoid the pay and display in town.

    Lord St and Hoghton St are wide enough to accommodate a variety of schemes. My preference would be to allow parking along one side of these streets. This would be far more acceptable to businesses, than removing all the parking. I would then put a cycle-lane along both sides, whilst motor traffic would have a lane each way down the centre.

  14. Tallboy says:23/01/2021 11:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    The town's in lockdown, almost all the shops are shut - just how many shoppers do you expect to see in these circumstances?
    Then why do you need your private highway to the shops? The rest of us out getting our daily exercise and there's no discernable increase in the number of cyclists. Meanwhile I enjoy ample social distancing on my bike on the beach......

  15. The PNP says:24/01/2021 11:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    Then why do you need your private highway to the shops? The rest of us out getting our daily exercise and there's no discernable increase in the number of cyclists. Meanwhile I enjoy ample social distancing on my bike on the beach......
    By the same token, one could equally argue that motorists don't need such extensive 'private' tarmac for parking!


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