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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Parking near to where your visiting or shopping that's what the visitors and customers of our town's amenities want.
    And that's exactly what they have in Southport.
    Car parks in London Street and Tulketh Street perfectly accessible for Chapel Street.
    On street parking most of the length of Lord St and it's side roads.
    Parking at Central 12
    Parking at Morrisons and every other supermarket.
    Parking at Ocean Plaza
    Parking at Meols Cop retail park
    Park and ride.
    And a beach that in summer becomes a car park.
    I'm struggling to see a shortage of parking close to where anyone is visiting or shopping

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Parking near to where your visiting or shopping that's what the visitors and customers of our town's amenities want.
    Well, you can't 'park' a bike any closer than the actual front door of a shop, unless they let you take it inside - and some do!

    Btw, as a self-declared 'cyclist' how come you never use the bike to go into town?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bensherman View Post
    I know they have been controversial but a number of streets have now become one-way .

    I live on the Aughton Road end of Talbot Street and overall think it has calmed the traffic.

    Well for most people.

    In the last week I have seen three vehicles ignore the no entry sign, and one in the last hour go through at let's say certainly in excess of 20mph
    So I was away for months and have been back for about six weeks. It is clear now that this stretch of one way street is being observed by about 90% of drivers, and the remainder either simply ignore it or in a few cases stop, look at the sign then ignore it anyway. Most common offenders taxis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salus.populi View Post
    And that's exactly what they have in Southport.
    Car parks in London Street and Tulketh Street perfectly accessible for Chapel Street.
    On street parking most of the length of Lord St and it's side roads.
    Parking at Central 12
    Parking at Morrisons and every other supermarket.
    Parking at Ocean Plaza
    Parking at Meols Cop retail park
    Park and ride.
    And a beach that in summer becomes a car park.
    I'm struggling to see a shortage of parking close to where anyone is visiting or shopping
    Yes thats what people want.
    Who would want to park their car and then get a bus to your house when going home so why would you want it in town ?
    Its irrational.
    Park and ride gets my vote when Tesco introduces it at kew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Yes thats what people want.
    Who would want to park their car and then get a bus to your house when going home so why would you want it in town ?
    Its irrational.
    Park and ride gets my vote when Tesco introduces it at kew.
    There could have been a PnR calling at Tesco but the Kew system failed because the Hospital refused to allow the bus onto their property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    A)

    B) Depends on the cycle-lane in question. Some work well, others less so. E.g. you can't argue with the excellent new two-way cycle route right down the centre of Chapel St. After years of riders being regularly fined for trying to pass through, it's a real pleasure to be able to do it guilt-free!
    Sorry, but as a regular cyclist, I can argue with the cycle lane down Chapel Street. The signposting for pedestrians is almost non-existent. Shoppers just do not realise that cycling is now permitted and are wandering all over the place without looking. The cycle lane through the pedestrianised road needs yellow lines all the way along to alert pedestrians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-T View Post
    Sorry, but as a regular cyclist, I can argue with the cycle lane down Chapel Street. The signposting for pedestrians is almost non-existent. Shoppers just do not realise that cycling is now permitted and are wandering all over the place without looking. The cycle lane through the pedestrianised road needs yellow lines all the way along to alert pedestrians.
    Back when Chapel St was being 'pedestrianised', I put that idea to the Area Committee. The Tech Services officer present (Dave Marrin) replied that putting dedicated lanes through, would quote: 'give cyclists ownership' of that part of the tarmac. He preferred a non-defined solution, i.e. to allow cycling generally, rather than on painted cycle-lanes.

    What we have now, is a compromise solution. Where bike-logos are painted along the central strip, to indicate where to ride, but not to confine 'legal' cycling to that strip. As things now stand, you can cycle anywhere in Chapel St, but you also have a suggested route through.....and I'm happy with that.

    Painted-in lanes that you suggest, would have downsides. Not only would they restrict where you could cycle. But it would encourage cyclists to ride through at speed, expecting everyone to get out of the way...I can just see some ignorant jerk blasting along his lane at 20mph, colliding horribly with shoppers.
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    Personally, I think its a CRAZY idea to allow cyclists at all along Chapel ST, its a pedestrian area.

    All a cyclist has to do is get off and walk, if they need to use Chapel St, if using it as a 'through route' then they can use London St or Eastbank St, to get to where they are going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *concerned* View Post
    A) Personally, I think its a CRAZY idea to allow cyclists at all along Chapel ST, its a pedestrian area.

    B) All a cyclist has to do is get off and walk, if they need to use Chapel St, if using it as a 'through route' then they can use London St or Eastbank St, to get to where they are going.
    A) Depended on which signage you looked at. E.g. from Tulketh St, the red circle with a motorbike and car in it, actually only means: 'no motor vehicles'. Also, you could ride in via Scarisbrick St (the narrow entry between Town Hall and the church) without encountering prohibitive signage.

    B) Maybe they could have allowed private cars through as well - provided they pushed them, lol! Tbh, it was always an unfair one-sided arrangement, where delivery cars and trucks could drive through at defined times of day - but not the humble bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Well, you can't 'park' a bike any closer than the actual front door of a shop, unless they let you take it inside - and some do!

    Btw, as a self-declared 'cyclist' how come you never use the bike to go into town?

    Where does it say I never use my bike to go into town?
    Have you got me mixed up with someone else.
    I wouldn't dream of balancing heavy shopping on it if thats what you are getting at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Where does it say I never use my bike to go into town?
    Have you got me mixed up with someone else.
    I wouldn't dream of balancing heavy shopping on it if thats what you are getting at.
    Let's put it this way.....when was the last time you even cycled into town?

    Btw, I myself don't have 'balance' issues when shopping with the bike in town, I don't know many who do tbh. A large supermarket bag goes nicely either side of my rear wheel, in two roomy panniers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Let's put it this way.....when was the last time you even cycled into town?

    Btw, I myself don't have 'balance' issues when shopping with the bike in town, I don't know many who do tbh. A large supermarket bag goes nicely either side of my rear wheel, in two roomy panniers.

    Two times last week into town and maybe tomorrow went to the Bank and an office.

    No way could you feed our household on two pannier loads and I don't consider them safe or convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Two times last week into town and maybe tomorrow went to the Bank and an office.

    No way could you feed our household on two pannier loads and I don't consider them safe or convenient.
    Twice a week? Filling two large bags each trip, would make more use of your bike, as it's going there anyway. You could easily bring back at least four large bags per week - if your bike was suitably equipped.

    What have you got against panniers? They put the weight relatively low down...and packed properly, balance equally. Much safer than the riders you see about, carrying stuff high up on their backs in a rucksack. When it comes to balance, a high C of G is never a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Twice a week? Filling two large bags each trip, would make more use of your bike, as it's going there anyway. You could easily bring back at least four large bags per week - if your bike was suitably equipped.

    What have you got against panniers? They put the weight relatively low down...and packed properly, balance equally. Much safer than the riders you see about, carrying stuff high up on their backs in a rucksack. When it comes to balance, a high C of G is never a good idea.
    Like many people, particularly at the moment, supermarket shopping trips are kept to a minimum, this does mean a pretty heavy shop to say the least, no way would you carry my shopping trip on your bike and please don't mention hitching a trailer to the bike.

    You always come back with this that or the other is possible, we know this, the questions you should ask yourself, is it practical for all? is it safe? will it possibly reduce trips to the shops? how good an idea in inclement weather? the answer to all those is NO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Twice a week? Filling two large bags each trip, would make more use of your bike, as it's going there anyway. You could easily bring back at least four large bags per week - if your bike was suitably equipped.

    What have you got against panniers? They put the weight relatively low down...and packed properly, balance equally. Much safer than the riders you see about, carrying stuff high up on their backs in a rucksack. When it comes to balance, a high C of G is never a good idea.


    It was twice last week but it would not happen in the rain.

    An overloaded bike is dangerous as bikes brakes
    Are for just a rider.

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