Originally Posted by TDM900

A) To my mind Hoghton Street is quite wide. There is plenty of width for cars to park, allowing room for cyclists also, so no need for dedicated cycle lanes and the loss of parking spaces.

B) As for Queens Road no entry system, it is just a pain, pushing more traffic around onto Park Crescent and Albert Road, causing more congestion. Dread to think how it will be when lockdown starts to ease!!

A) Partly agree...Hoghton is wide enough to allow parking and cycling, if it's done right. Problem is, the job was done in a hurry and at minimal cost - hence the present situation.

There is room for parking along one side, whilst leaving enough tarmac for a decent cycle-lane each way and two-way traffic down the centre. That would have been the best compromise, it's just a pity they chose not to do that.

B) Yes, Albert Rd will be busier. However, I don't see the increased traffic volume as being a problem in itself. It's the constant obstruction caused by parked cars along the West side, that makes it a nightmare to negotiate......Put a yellow line along that side - and Bobs your Uncle!

I will own up to an error on the maths. It's 60/24.5 not 24.5/60

Mental block, usually good with maths.

Originally Posted by libraryguy

So, according to the figures of 392 journeys a day on the cycle lane, taking the average day of 16 hours (excluding being used at night) that equates to an average of seeing one cyclist every 41 seconds using Hoghton Street.

Wonder who gathered the figures together? An independent survey company?

I regularly cross Queens Rd and traverse Hoghton St and I as yet have seen the fantastic number of Zero cyclists YES ZERO using the lanes that are so popular according to a University census. I reckon being students they used the time they were supposed to be doing a census to do more popular student activities and just come up with some fantasy number.
Having been involved in a traffic census at Portland St/Duke St/Aughton Road/Birkdale Station/Ainsdale Station prior to the signal boxes being closed and replaced with remotely operated barriers I can assure you that the human body has ways of discharging waste which no matter how strong willed you are cannot be halted during the 12 hour length of each shift.

Originally Posted by roving-eye

Monitoring figures just published by Liverpool John Moores University show that the Council's Emergency Active Travel ‘pop up lanes’ along Hoghton Street and Chapel Street to and from Southport’s town centre ....

Does anyone have a link to this report?

Originally Posted by roving-eye

... show that the Council's Emergency Active Travel ‘pop up lanes’ along Hoghton Street and Chapel Street to and from Southport’s town centre recorded 28,976 individual cycling journeys between November 05th 2020 and January 21st 2020. Let’s break that figure down. That is 392 journeys per day in the middle of winter.

Now let's break down that figure correctly January 21st 2020 to November 05th 2020 is 77 trips a day during the non winter months.

Also most Sandgrounders know how to spell Houghton.

Originally Posted by roving-eye

Fact. It’s fair to assume that the vast majority of those are two journeys made by individual cyclists riding to and from the town centre. So that’s 196 commutes or shopping trips by bike along the lane every day. However there is a lobby to get rid of the lane and thus discourage people from using a bike to get into Southport. I read with interest the reasons for wanting to scrap the lane.

‘No one uses the lanes’

So that is under 40 commutes or shopping trips by bike along the lane every day. Most commutes or shopping trips take place between 0800h & 1700h
So using the unsubstantiated figures provided by the OP
"During peak times in non winter months, less than 5 people an hour use the lanes"

Originally Posted by r4dent

Does anyone have a link to this report?




Now let's break down that figure correctly January 21st 2020 to November 05th 2020 is 77 trips a day during the non winter months.

Also most Sandgrounders know how to spell Houghton.


So that is under 40 commutes or shopping trips by bike along the lane every day. Most commutes or shopping trips take place between 0800h & 1700h
So using the unsubstantiated figures provided by the OP
"During peak times in non winter months, less than 5 people an hour use the lanes"

It's obviously meant to say Jan 21st 2021 as the lanes didn't exist until autumn 2020.
And you be surprised how many Sandgrounders spell Hoghton incorrectly. Look, even you have.

This Dianne Abbott survey can clearly count pixies and Unicorns.

I have gone many times down that road on both bike and in car and clearly need some magic glasses to see all these cyclists.

Originally Posted by libraryguy

So, according to the figures of 392 journeys a day on the cycle lane, taking the average day of 16 hours (excluding being used at night) that equates to an average of seeing one cyclist every 41 seconds using Hoghton Street.

Wonder who gathered the figures together? An independent survey company?

You need to go back to education and get your Primary School maths qualification....
Until then, pipe down.