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  1. Published on: 04/02/2021 09:38 PMReported by: rogerblaxall
    Drainage ditches at the side of Woodmoss Lane, Scarisbrick are an absolute disgrace and in need of an urgent clean up.

    It goes to show that employing a parish lengthsman would be a great idea rather than relying on the borough council.

    Mind you, drivers could be fined if caught by some strategic CCTV cameras which would probably pay for themselves...

    QLocal's Roger Blaxall took these pictures at the weekend, also capturing flytipping next to farmland near the Drummersdale Drain.







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  3. The PNP says:04/02/2021 09:43 PM
    When you've just poured a can/bottle or two down your neck whilst driving out of town, it obviously pays to get rid of the evidence asap.....out the car window!

  4. local says:05/02/2021 09:06 AM
    I have noticed fellow cyclists and walkers throwing cans onto verges.

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  6. Little Londoner says:05/02/2021 09:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    When you've just poured a can/bottle or two down your neck whilst driving out of town, it obviously pays to get rid of the evidence asap.....out the car window!
    DRIVERS at fault again in that void where your brain should be. I don't suppose it is beyond the realms of fantasy that a cyclist might partake of food and drink occasionally whilst wobbling along the country lanes.

    If your sole purpose in life is to antagonise everyone who doesn't follow the meaningless drivel you spew forth on a daily basis then perhaps you need a forum all of your own so you can be the moderator/poster/reader who agrees with every word you say to yourself.

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  8. The PNP says:05/02/2021 10:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    I have noticed fellow cyclists and walkers throwing cans onto verges.
    Tbh, that I have never seen, and I cycle a lot. Most carry a re-usable plastic drinks container on their downtube. A ring-pull can or crown-top bottle however, would be very difficult to open on the move without falling off.

    Cyclists reusable drinks containers cost money and are not intended for single-use. I have never seen one in amongst the usual fast-food packaging and beer/spirits debris.......I have however seen many riders in the Tour de France throw them, but that's another situation entirely - they can afford it.

  9. Sap33 says:05/02/2021 11:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Tbh, that I have never seen, and I cycle a lot. Most carry a re-usable plastic drinks container on their downtube. A ring-pull can or crown-top bottle however, would be very difficult to open on the move without falling off.

    Cyclists reusable drinks containers cost money and are not intended for single-use. I have never seen one in amongst the usual fast-food packaging and beer/spirits debris.......I have however seen many riders in the Tour de France throw them, but that's another situation entirely - they can afford it.
    I've seen a cyclist throw an empty water bottle away. A lot of water comes in bottles with 'sports caps' on them.
    I've seen plenty of rubbish from cars thrown as well, so it's not a case of one vs the other.

    Regardless of whether you ride or drive, throwing rubbish is just wrong!

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  11. local says:05/02/2021 12:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Tbh, that I have never seen, and I cycle a lot. Most carry a re-usable plastic drinks container on their downtube. A ring-pull can or crown-top bottle however, would be very difficult to open on the move without falling off.

    Cyclists reusable drinks containers cost money and are not intended for single-use. I have never seen one in amongst the usual fast-food packaging and beer/spirits debris.......I have however seen many riders in the Tour de France throw them, but that's another situation entirely - they can afford it.

    I'm afraid your innate bias yet again clouds your thinking.

    Untidy people of all ages and appearances walk, drive and ride bikes.

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  13. said says:05/02/2021 12:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Little Londoner View Post
    DRIVERS at fault again in that void where your brain should be. I don't suppose it is beyond the realms of fantasy that a cyclist might partake of food and drink occasionally whilst wobbling along the country lanes.

    If your sole purpose in life is to antagonise everyone who doesn't follow the meaningless drivel you spew forth on a daily basis then perhaps you need a forum all of your own so you can be the moderator/poster/reader who agrees with every word you say to yourself.
    A cyclist is very unlikely to drink that which the discarded cans indicate, nor are they likely to eat a MacDonald's meal while cycling. Now THAT is fantasy. Can you imagine being in a gym exercising while eating or drinking those? A bored, static, couch potato driver is more likely to do so, don't you think?

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  15. justbecause says:05/02/2021 02:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Tbh, that I have never seen, and I cycle a lot. Most carry a re-usable plastic drinks container on their downtube. A ring-pull can or crown-top bottle however, would be very difficult to open on the move without falling off.

    Cyclists reusable drinks containers cost money and are not intended for single-use. I have never seen one in amongst the usual fast-food packaging and beer/spirits debris.......I have however seen many riders in the Tour de France throw them, but that's another situation entirely - they can afford it.
    How strange, you’ve never seen a cyclist discard rubbish, although you know categorically that the rubbish in the picture was was discarded by motorists. I suppose it’s a little bit like the phantom car drivers who turn around the road signs, you alone know they do it, although you’re unable to provide any evidence to back up these ‘facts’.
    Oh, and just for good measure let’s label all these litter discarding motorists as drink drivers because that should score you a few more Brownie points.

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  17. The PNP says:05/02/2021 04:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    A) How strange, you’ve never seen a cyclist discard rubbish, although you know categorically that the rubbish in the picture was was discarded by motorists.

    B) I suppose it’s a little bit like the phantom car drivers who turn around the road signs, you alone know they do it, although you’re unable to provide any evidence to back up these ‘facts’.

    C) Oh, and just for good measure let’s label all these litter discarding motorists as drink drivers because that should score you a few more Brownie points.
    A) I didn't say that, only that unlike 'local' I hadn't seen a cyclist throw away a drinks container.

    B) Have a drive down Peel St/Cobden Rd (through lights at end of Susssex Rd)....The right-hand 20 roundel at entrance to Clifton Rd is at 90degs. The left-hand 20mph roundel at entrance to 'little' Wennington Rd is at 90degs. The left-hand 20mph roundel at entrance to Canning Rd is at 80degs. Then take a look at the left-hand 20mph roundel on Roe Lane at entrance to Bibby Rd. It was probably harder to shift, because they have only managed 75degs.

    This is just a small, but fairly representative sample that I noted on my way through today. Plenty more elsewhere, if you should care to look. Now, maybe it is a pedestrian or cyclist who's doing it, but what would they possibly have to gain? A pound to a penny, this will be the work of disgruntled motorists, i.e. the type who we see speeding through 20mph limits every day of the week.

    C) Could be that cyclists and/or pedestrians are having a jolly old street party. I can just see them stood guzzling drinks, whilst dodging traffic on that narrow de-restricted lane - or even living it up in the ditch and leaving their boozy residue behind. But let's be realistic, there's only one way that type of stuff in the pics has got there - it's been chucked out from passing vehicles.

  18. justbecause says:05/02/2021 04:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    A) I didn't say that, only that unlike 'local' I hadn't seen a cyclist throw away a drinks container.

    B) Have a drive down Peel St/Cobden Rd (through lights at end of Susssex Rd)....The right-hand 20 roundel at entrance to Clifton Rd is at 90degs. The left-hand 20mph roundel at entrance to 'little' Wennington Rd is at 90degs. The left-hand 20mph roundel at entrance to Canning Rd is at 80degs. Then take a look at the left-hand 20mph roundel on Roe Lane at entrance to Bibby Rd. It was probably harder to shift, because they have only managed 75degs.

    This is just a small, but fairly representative sample that I noted on my way through today. Plenty more elsewhere, if you should care to look. Now, maybe it is a pedestrian or cyclist who's doing it, but what would they possibly have to gain? A pound to a penny, this will be the work of disgruntled motorists, i.e. the type who we see speeding through 20mph limits every day of the week.

    C) Could be that cyclists and/or pedestrians are having a jolly old street party. I can just see them stood guzzling drinks, whilst dodging traffic on that narrow de-restricted lane - or even living it up in the ditch and leaving their boozy residue behind. But let's be realistic, there's only one way that type of stuff in the pics has got there - it's been chucked out from passing vehicles.
    A. Have another look at your post, Local said has seen cyclists discard empty CANS, to which you replied you have NEVER seen that, NO mention of drinks containers.

    B. Fine, but you have STILL failed to provide any evidence whatsoever that signs have been turned around by motorists. Just like your suggestion that cyclists or pedestrians would have nothing to gain from turning the signs, what would a motorist have to gain? Far more likely is someone like you, who hates all motorists with a passion, alters the signs, in the hope that they may pick up a speeding ticket.

    C. Once again, show us the evidence, all you’ve shown us so far, is how much you despise the motorist, who in your twisted opinion is responsible for anything and everything that goes wrong in life.

  19. The PNP says:05/02/2021 05:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    A. Have another look at your post, Local said has seen cyclists discard empty CANS, to which you replied you have NEVER seen that, NO mention of drinks containers.

    B. Fine, but you have STILL failed to provide any evidence whatsoever that signs have been turned around by motorists. Just like your suggestion that cyclists or pedestrians would have nothing to gain from turning the signs, what would a motorist have to gain? Far more likely is someone like you, who hates all motorists with a passion, alters the signs, in the hope that they may pick up a speeding ticket.

    C. Once again, show us the evidence, all you’ve shown us so far, is how much you despise the motorist, who in your twisted opinion is responsible for anything and everything that goes wrong in life.
    A) Cans are a type of drinks containers, as are bottles, etc. My point was, that opening a can requires two hands, as does unscrewing or using a crown opener for a glass bottle. Few people have the skill and confidence to do that whilst riding a bike, I know I don't.....Everyone though, has the ability to do it whilst driving - I rest my case.

    B) I already stated in the other cycling thread, that motorists can use defective signage as a defence in court, when found speeding. There are a number of cases where that defence has been successfully used.....Hence motive definitely exists for speeders to interfere with speed-limit signs. Btw, the one type of speed sign I have never seen disturbed - is the de-restricted variety!

    C) Depends entirely on the motorist tbh. I'm perfectly happy to share the road with responsible people, who look out for bikes at junctions. Who wait till they can pass me safely at 1.5+metres clearance. Who don't come charging down single-track country lanes, forcing me into the verge.

  20. justbecause says:05/02/2021 05:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    A) Cans are a type of drinks containers, as are bottles, etc. My point was, that opening a can requires two hands, as does unscrewing or using a crown opener for a glass bottle. Few people have the skill and confidence to do that whilst riding a bike, I know I don't.....Everyone though, has the ability to do it whilst driving - I rest my case.

    B) I already stated in the other cycling thread, that motorists can use defective signage as a defence in court, when found speeding. There are a number of cases where that defence has been successfully used.....Hence motive definitely exists for speeders to interfere with speed-limit signs. Btw, the one type of speed sign I have never seen disturbed - is the de-restricted variety!

    C) Depends entirely on the motorist tbh. I'm perfectly happy to share the road with responsible people, who look out for bikes at junctions. Who wait till they can pass me safely at 1.5+metres clearance. Who don't come charging down single-track country lanes, forcing me into the verge.
    It’s utterly pointless trying to debate with you, but if I can ask just one question of you, do the blinkers you wear completely cover your eyes?

  21. The PNP says:05/02/2021 07:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by justbecause View Post
    It’s utterly pointless trying to debate with you, but if I can ask just one question of you, do the blinkers you wear completely cover your eyes?
    They leave more than enough vision, to notice what's on the verge - at a leisurely 12mph.

    I've ridden that route literally 100's of times over the years, and that stretch has always suffered from food and drinks rubbish. It's at just the right distance from town/McD's, for car folk to have finished their snacks/drinks. Rubbish should, as we all know, be taken home for disposal. However, holding onto greasy burger wrappings stinks out a car.....

  22. justbecause says:05/02/2021 08:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    They leave more than enough vision, to notice what's on the verge - at a leisurely 12mph.

    I've ridden that route literally 100's of times over the years, and that stretch has always suffered from food and drinks rubbish. It's at just the right distance from town/McD's, for car folk to have finished their snacks/drinks. Rubbish should, as we all know, be taken home for disposal. However, holding onto greasy burger wrappings stinks out a car.....
    Still plenty of drivel, but an acute lack of any evidence.


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