Councils are being given extended powers to fine motorists

[gsgsgs]

Minor motoring offences currently Policed by the Police are to be handed over to Councils later this year. This means that in addition to fines for offences like speeding and parking, motorists will now be at risk of being fined for smaller contraventions like driving in cycle lanes, failing to follow one-way systems, failing to adhere to no-entry signs, entering yellow-box junctions and failing to give priority to oncoming traffic.

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Just a money grabbing exercise, simple answer stay out of town, any town, apart from when there is no alternative.

Even simpler, don't go down one-way streets the wrong way, don't drive in bus lanes, don't ignore no-entry signs, don't enter yellow box junctions unless you know how to use them and give way if priority is for oncoming traffic.

[silver fox]

But sometimes there's a gap between the side of the yellow box and the kerb that is just wide enough for a bicycle. So would that be breaking the rules, bending the rules or perfectly compliant with the rules?

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Come on you know as well as anyone, the rules don’t apply to cyclists, or they simply pavement hop, our cycling guru is constantly babbling on about impatient motorists, frankly they don’t come close to impatient cyclists, the Lycra clad variety being some of the worst in believing that nothing must impede their progress.

[salus.populi]

Come on you know as well as anyone, the rules don’t apply to cyclists, or they simply pavement hop, our cycling guru is constantly babbling on about impatient motorists, frankly they don’t come close to impatient cyclists, the Lycra clad variety being some of the worst in believing that nothing must impede their progress.

I was asking a genuine question as someone who abides by the rules when I cycle. But still you come out with same old repeated anti cyclist prejudice. It's getting tedious.

[The PNP]

Hear we go again, you do realise that that cyclists will be equally liable to face fines for breaking the rules, yes I know, you’ve never seen a cyclist do any wrong.

I think it's a great plan....After cyclists have been handed out so many fines for riding through Chapel St (btw, it's now become legal to ride through). I look forward to seeing cars similarly fined for gate-crashing the no-entry into London St!

[silver fox]

I was asking a genuine question as someone who abides by the rules when I cycle. But still you come out with same old repeated anti cyclist prejudice. It's getting tedious.

I am not anti cyclist, in reality I used to cycle a lot, in truth at one time was my only means of transport, what I am anti is the current approach from far too many cyclists who believe that they can go anywhere without the slightest concern for anyone else, yet when things go wrong for them, it’s someone else’s fault.

By the law of averages we should see more wrong or law breaking manoeuvres from drivers than cyclists, unfortunately I have seen far more wrong and even outright dangerous manoeuvres from a much smaller number of cyclists.

Call me anti cycling if you wish, but that isn’t the case.

[The PNP]

By the law of averages we should see more wrong or law breaking manoeuvres from drivers than cyclists, unfortunately I have seen far more wrong and even outright dangerous manoeuvres from a much smaller number of cyclists.

Well, that may be so....But take today. I was overtaken whilst driving at the posted limit (50mph) by a steady stream of cars on the dual carriageway, just North of Ince Woods. Illegally speeding, every single one of them. Further along my route however, on the Coast Rd between Sands and Weld Rd, I counted nine cyclists - all were riding sensibly and all were using the upgraded cycle-path provided for them.

[Alikado]

Well, that may be so....But take today. I was overtaken whilst driving at the posted limit (50mph) by a steady stream of cars on the dual carriageway, just North of Ince Blundell. Illegally speeding, every single one of them. Further along my route however, on the Coast Rd between Sands and Weld Rd, I counted nine cyclists - all were riding sensibly and all were using the upgraded cycle-path provided for them.

The Formby Bypass is 60 mph upto the airfield.

[The PNP]

The Formby Bypass is 60 mph up to the airfield.

Yes it is, but not the first part heading North at Ince Blundell (the limit remains at 50mph even after exiting Ince Woods)...and it's that part of the dual carriageway where the speeding took place.

[salus.populi]

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By the law of averages we should see more wrong or law breaking manoeuvres from drivers than cyclists, unfortunately I have seen far more wrong and even outright dangerous manoeuvres from a much smaller number of cyclists.

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Speeding cars alone would outnumber every cycling offence on any given day unless you're blinkered to what you see.

[Little Londoner]

The Formby Bypass is 60 mph upto the airfield.

Yes from the very point the idiot was moaning about. Shows how much notice HE takes of road signs.

[Little Londoner]

Speeding cars alone would outnumber every cycling offence on any given day unless you're blinkered to what you see.

Yes I agree thanks to Theresa May and Gideon Osborne Traffic/Roads Policing has been decimated and speeding by a lot of drivers, who realise the chances of being caught are slim, is nearing epidemic proportions. But the cyclist in chief will not acknowledge that NOT ALL drivers do that. I hope one day when there is a sufficient Police deterrent to speeding he gets stopped and fined for Not making sufficient progress on his personal crusade to slow down drivers driving legally. Duh! whatever his regular expletive means.

[silver fox]

Even simpler, don't go down one-way streets the wrong way, don't drive in bus lanes, don't ignore no-entry signs, don't enter yellow box junctions unless you know how to use them and give way if priority is for oncoming traffic.

I don't drive through no entry signs, park where I shouldn't, I won't even park in disabled or mother and child spots at supermarkets, when it comes to yellow box junctions, certainly I know how to use them, but tell me do you physically stop at those junctions and wait until there is clear space? or do you do what most drivers do? that is look ahead take note of whether traffic is moving freely along your exit and follow other traffic through the junction.

If you do that and traffic suddenly stops for no reason that you are aware of, then you can be easily be marooned in the junction, install cameras on a busy junction and the pickings will be good.

[gsgsgs]

I don't drive through no entry signs, park where I shouldn't, I won't even park in disabled or mother and child spots at supermarkets, when it comes to yellow box junctions, certainly I know how to use them, but tell me do you physically stop at those junctions and wait until there is clear space? or do you do what most drivers do? that is look ahead take note of whether traffic is moving freely along your exit and follow other traffic through the junction.

If you do that and traffic suddenly stops for no reason that you are aware of, then you can be easily be marooned in the junction, install cameras on a busy junction and the pickings will be good.

I use a yellow box junction correctly, if I am turning right and my exit from the box junction is clear but there is on coming traffic I enter the junction and wait to turn right, if the box already has a car in it waiting to turn right my exit isn't clear so wait outside the boxed area.

With the boxed area at the Haig Avenue junction, this is to keep the area clear for vehicles to turn from right from Norwood Road into Haig avenue, if the lights are red and cars have backed up I wait outside the area to allow free flow of traffic, ignoring the muppets I have had honking and gesturing as they want to turn left into Haig Avenue.

[justbecause]

Well, that may be so....But take today. I was overtaken whilst driving at the posted limit (50mph) by a steady stream of cars on the dual carriageway, just North of Ince Woods. Illegally speeding, every single one of them. Further along my route however, on the Coast Rd between Sands and Weld Rd, I counted nine cyclists - all were riding sensibly and all were using the upgraded cycle-path provided for them.

Perhaps those speeding drivers were taking a leaf out of your book, you know, choosing to ignore the speed limits when it suits them, and before you try denying it, you have openly stated on others forums how you break speed limits, if, and when it suits you, AND, unlike you, I can produce the evidence to back this up.

[The PNP]

Perhaps those speeding drivers were taking a leaf out of your book, you know, choosing to ignore the speed limits when it suits them, and before you try denying it, you have openly stated on others forums how you break speed limits, if, and when it suits you, AND, unlike you, I can produce the evidence to back this up.

That's odd, because in the UK I only use this forum. And as for so-called speeding, I don't - and have a clean license to prove it!

Personally, I find nothing's more satisfying than adhering to the limits. A particularly satisfying experience in our 20mph zones, where my vehicle always attracts lots of followers!