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Good or Bad Deal
In most things Brexit supporters did get a good deal, but in the most contentious demands made by Brexit supporters the EU has completed the deal with the greatest benefit to itself while also punishing the UK.
However - I cannot see the situation lasting, since he EU has already broken the agreement over the vaccinations.
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Your a bit early, it's very much still a work in progress.
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Well, we officially left a year ago - and immediately went into the biggest ever recorded contraction in our economy. Of course the spread of Covid didn't help things along, but a 10% loss of GDP is not what I'd call a positive result.
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Just goes to show you should really read something before signing it.
Also, when you've campaigned to become a third country, don't complain when you're treated like a third country.
Like the shellfish traders in Scotland. They were quite happy with the rules when on the inside of the EU, excluding third countries, taking advantage of the access to the market. What did they think would happen when we left?
The EU haven't changed the rules. Nobody is getting punished. You claimed you knew what you were voting for. This is it. You got what you voted for.
You won, get over it.
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Originally Posted by local
Your a bit early, it's very much still a work in progress.
The 'Work in Progress' has long finished, the reality has now set in or do you think it is 'Poetry in Motion'?
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Originally Posted by said
However - I cannot see the situation lasting, since he EU has already broken the agreement over the vaccinations.
They didn't. They threatened to. Just as Johnson did a few weeks earlier, only there wasn't the same outcry, for some reason.
I'll assume it's the English exceptionalism that has been on display for about 400 years.
Then VDL backed down when she knew she was wrong. Not a bad trait in a politician, or anyone if it comes to that. Being able to admit you're wrong.
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When the reality dawns that trade is a two way street and EU countries don't want their industries held up or overcharged here the problems will be overcome.
A UK Government that introduced ludicrous restrictions on imports to us wouldn't get my support.
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Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty
They didn't. They threatened to. Just as Johnson did a few weeks earlier, only there wasn't the same outcry, for some reason.
I'll assume it's the English exceptionalism that has been on display for about 400 years.
Then VDL backed down when she knew she was wrong. Not a bad trait in a politician, or anyone if it comes to that. Being able to admit you're wrong.
Doesn’t apply to Brexiteers, never admit that Brexit isn’t their glorious dream come true.
NOTE, no Brexiteer on this forum has ever spelled out the advantages or gains from Brexit, just the standard flag waving, Rule Britannia, the hypothetical freedom and independence, never at any time anything which benefits the country or more to the point, the people of this country.
Brexiteers won the referendum, but have lost out everywhere else.
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Originally Posted by local
When the reality dawns that trade is a two way street and EU countries don't want their industries held up or overcharged here the problems will be overcome.
A UK Government that introduced ludicrous restrictions on imports to us wouldn't get my support.
The EU protects itself/its members, via 'restrictions' on what and how things enter. If you're expecting them to relax/change their rules just for us, because we used to be a member, you'll wait a very long time!
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Originally Posted by The PNP
The EU protects itself/its members, via 'restrictions' on what and how things enter. If you're expecting them to relax/change their rules just for us, because we used to be a member, you'll wait a very long time!
Would you think it's acceptable for us to impose ludicrous rules and charges on NL cheese exporters bringing in your Edam ?
Or holding up EU lorry drivers returning home as the French did.
That harms EU members not protects them.
As I said trade goes both ways some on here including you need to get your head around it.
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Originally Posted by local
Would you think it's acceptable for us to impose ludicrous rules and charges on NL cheese exporters bringing in your Edam ?
Or holding up EU lorry drivers returning home as the French did.
That harms EU members not protects them.
As I said trade goes both ways some on here including you need to get your head around it.
Of course trade is a two way street, but the regulations and rules regarding trade with non EU members was well known, not something new, incidentally there are delays on both sides of the Channel, this isn’t some attack on the UK, apart from of course those who naively felt that controls wouldn’t apply to us.
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Originally Posted by local
Would you think it's acceptable for us to impose ludicrous rules and charges on NL cheese exporters bringing in your Edam
Or holding up EU lorry drivers returning home as the French did.
That harms EU members not protects them.
As I said trade goes both ways some on here including you need to get your head around it.
Trade deal notwithstanding, transactions between the EU/UK are now conducted between 3rd countries. UK food exports are now subject to checks at EU border points. The UK now has its own GB food standards, and food imports from the EU will be subject to checks at your border. The only difference is, the UK has elected to defer border checks on EU imports until July in order to minimise the possibility of hold ups at the border, which might result in UK food shortages. They also need more time to build border points to check imports.
I can't figure out why people can't understand or accept that the UK is now a 3rd country, and can't possibly expect to be extended the same terms it had as a bloc member. You need to get your head around that!
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Originally Posted by local
A) Would you think it's acceptable for us to impose ludicrous rules and charges on NL cheese exporters bringing in your Edam ?
B) Or holding up EU lorry drivers returning home as the French did.
A) We're 'free' now, so can introduce as much red tape as we want, on incoming foodstuffs/animal imports, etc. Btw, I prefer gouda to Edam.
B) Again, we're independent now, and perfectly entitled to delay imports/exports anytime we feel like it. Of course, that sort of silly argie-bargie makes no sense, whichever side plays at it. Imo, we'd have had none of these issues had we remained in the customs union after leaving. Would also have avoided the squabbling over a sea-border with N Ireland.
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Originally Posted by silver fox
Of course trade is a two way street, but the regulations and rules regarding trade with non EU members was well known, not something new, incidentally there are delays on both sides of the Channel, this isn’t some attack on the UK, apart from of course those who naively felt that controls wouldn’t apply to us.
This is exactly it. No rules have been changed. The only thing that has changed is our status.
It's wonderful being on the inside, trading as we like. But we chose to leave.
It's like the old fool on Question Time last night, complaining about the Irish sea border. This was the wonder deal. This was the 'Boris Saves Brexit' Christmas gift from Johnson. Sure, it might have been better if anybody actually read it, but how they celebrated. So turning around now and stating 'it wants changing' is just hysterical.
We got the divorce. Stop trying to go and see the ex. She doesn't want to know. Enjoy the 'win'.
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Originally Posted by local
Would you think it's acceptable for us to impose ludicrous rules and charges on NL cheese exporters bringing in your Edam ?
Or holding up EU lorry drivers returning home as the French did.
That harms EU members not protects them.
As I said trade goes both ways some on here including you need to get your head around it.
EU selling to UK is only a small percentage of their trade, UK selling to EU is a large percentage of our foreign trade.
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