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  1. The PNP says:18/02/2021 04:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Bullsh2t alert !!!!!

    How can you be an ethical trader when you are selling devices that pollute and damage lungs from the back of an old diesel truck ?

    Not to mention the habitat destruction.

    If you would care to tell us how ovo gets its clean and green energy to you I am intrigued ?
    Our cleanburn stoves emit a tiny fraction of the soot that the coal fires they replace did. You would be hard pressed to detect smoke from a cleanburn flue.

    Our diesel 3.5tonner is essential for moving bricks, sand, cement, flue liners, scaffolding etc, between jobs - these are heavy and bulky items. Yes, it emits a few kilos of CO2 on the way to/from each job. But those stoves once installed, help our customers avoid permanently adding many tons of CO2 to the atmosphere, during their considerable lifetime.

    Ethical trader? Our 'mission' is to reduce atmospheric CO2 pollution, by replacing gas and coal appliances with a sustainable heatsource. I suggest you price up a full stove and liner package for yourself, to realise the tight margin we operate on - profit is not the prime goal. Btw, we're so confident in our product, each installation comes with our unique 10 year no quibble guarantee on all parts and labour.

    I trust 'green' energy suppliers to live up to their promise of zero CO2. Last time I looked, there were Govt regulators and the ASA in place, to ensure that they do. Just as I trust the FSC to ensure they only add their logo, to sustainably sourced forest products.

    Btw, if you want to moan about vehicle exhausts polluting the air around here, then support the cycle-lane plans. Enabling residents to shop in the village without using their fossil-fuel burning, CO2-emitting cars. Either by switching to their bikes, or if infirm, turning out on electric 15mph buggies, to use in safety on these new cycle routes.
    Last edited by The PNP; 18/02/2021 at 07:31 PM.

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  4. Tallboy says:18/02/2021 07:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    There as never been a time where it has been more important to reduce damaging, planet-harming greenhouse emissions from the private car......Don't these selfish car people know we're in the middle of a worldwide Climate Emergency - duh!
    You 'Sir' are a total Muppet!! I have told you on numerous times cycling improvements will not deliver any noticable impact on climate change! Stopping hiding behind the pretense that your useless ahenda and propaganda is all in the name of Climate Change.... The majority of Southport's population , Local Councillors and our MP all dismiss these cycle routes as unnecessary and a waste of public funds.
    Kindly crawl back under 'ludite rock' from which you emerged!

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  6. sandGroundZero says:18/02/2021 07:42 PM

    With their lame press releases, Lee & Mike appear too desperate to be credible.

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    As for Cllr. Whats-his-name …where have you been for the last 5 years?

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  8. The PNP says:18/02/2021 08:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    You 'Sir' are a total Muppet!! I have told you on numerous times cycling improvements will not deliver any noticable impact on climate change! Stopping hiding behind the pretense that your useless ahenda and propaganda is all in the name of Climate Change.... The majority of Southport's population , Local Councillors and our MP all dismiss these cycle routes as unnecessary and a waste of public funds.
    Kindly crawl back under 'ludite rock' from which you emerged!
    People in this country have been waiting a very long time for their Govt to actually do something about our CO2 emissions/Climate Change....Now at last the Govt has made a start, by issuing a directive that every town shall have Covid-safe sustainable travel corridors. And what does this result in? A bunch of self important car-centric muppets, popping out of the woodwork on some sort of perverse spoiling campaign - you really couldn't make it up!
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  10. Tallboy says:18/02/2021 11:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Our cleanburn stoves emit a tiny fraction of the soot that the coal fires they replace did. You would be hard pressed to detect smoke from a cleanburn flue.

    Our diesel 3.5tonner is essential for moving bricks, sand, cement, flue liners, scaffolding etc, between jobs - these are heavy and bulky items. Yes, it emits a few kilos of CO2 on the way to/from each job. But those stoves once installed, help our customers avoid permanently adding many tons of CO2 to the atmosphere, during their considerable lifetime.

    Ethical trader? Our 'mission' is to reduce atmospheric CO2 pollution, by replacing gas and coal appliances with a sustainable heatsource. I suggest you price up a full stove and liner package for yourself, to realise the tight margin we operate on - profit is not the prime goal. Btw, we're so confident in our product, each installation comes with our unique 10 year no quibble guarantee on all parts and labour.

    I trust 'green' energy suppliers to live up to their promise of zero CO2. Last time I looked, there were Govt regulators and the ASA in place, to ensure that they do. Just as I trust the FSC to ensure they only add their logo, to sustainably sourced forest products.

    Btw, if you want to moan about vehicle exhausts polluting the air around here, then support the cycle-lane plans. Enabling residents to shop in the village without using their fossil-fuel burning, CO2-emitting cars. Either by switching to their bikes, or if infirm, turning out on electric 15mph buggies, to use in safety on these new cycle routes.
    Fossil fuel burning vehicles are already defunct fool! Current legislation states 30 years to create Carbon Neutrality, with good reason. Motor vehicle manufacturers combined with the new 'clean fuel' technologies are driving the transportation for the future - it's NOT bicycles nor is it electric cars.
    Do some research of new technology and stop promoting your ludite useless misleading propaganda. Don't even think about quoting me Local Authority 'climate emergency' garbage either. The challenges are National and mis-guided fools like you thankfully have no participation in delivering the solutions!

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  12. Tallboy says:18/02/2021 11:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    People in this country have been waiting a very long time for their Govt to actually do something about our CO2 emissions/Climate Change....Now at last the Govt has made a start, by issuing a directive that every town shall have Covid-safe sustainable travel corridors. And what does this result in? A bunch of self important car-centric muppets, popping out of the woodwork on some sort of perverse spoiling campaign - you really couldn't make it up!
    You really have no idea what you're talking about fool!
    If you want to promote climate change get on the replacement of busses with electric trams, private vehicles as a means of transport are here to stay, get used to it...
    Cycling is a minority leisure pastime for the majority, not a means of mainstream transport.
    As I've said you're a Ludite. CNZ will be delivered by 2050 through National infrastrucure modernisation and not via 'Seftons' misguided climate change emergency declarations that they're incapable of doing snything about. I dare Sefton to disconnect all the Gas meters in it's buildings? Yes, exactly fool, you don't have any appreciation of the real issues! Crawl back under your Ludite rock...

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  14. The PNP says:19/02/2021 12:32 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallboy View Post
    A) You really have no idea what you're talking about fool!
    If you want to promote climate change get on the replacement of busses with electric trams,

    B) Cycling is a minority leisure pastime for the majority, not a means of mainstream transport.

    C) As I've said you're a Ludite. CNZ will be delivered by 2050 through National infrastrucure modernisation and not via 'Seftons' misguided climate change emergency declarations that they're incapable of doing snything about. I dare Sefton to disconnect all the Gas meters in it's buildings? Yes, exactly fool, you don't have any appreciation of the real issues! Crawl back under your Ludite rock...
    A) Public transport will never be what it was, with a deadly virus constantly mutating. The travelling public are simply too scared to pack into busses, trams or trains like they used to.....What do you suggest as a solution, that they all rush out and buy cars?

    Let's assume all those ex-public transport users can find the five-figure sums required to buy themselves cars. That will in turn require many more parking spaces and more roadbuilding/widening schemes, to accommodate all those extra vehicles. Whereas, electric bikes cost way less - just a couple of £k's. And bikes require far less roadspace and far less parking space.....When it come to solving not only our Climate Crisis, but also the UK's Covid Crisis, bikes are a no-brainer!

    B) You've got that so wrong, cycling is very much more than a 'pastime'. Mate, take a look around you, at other European States. Cycling gets up to a third of entire populations from A to B. Yes, cycling is a pleasurable activity, so much so that it's even done just for the fun of it. But don't underestimate the capability of a bike to get you around town.

    C) 2050? Not about the intervening thirty years? Fyi, we're talking about the here and now on this thread, about single-occupant two-ton tin boxes invading small shopping areas like Birkdale village. Filling the place with their unwelcome bulk and exhaust stink - and for what? To pick up a few items, that would probably fit on my bike with room to spare!
    Last edited by The PNP; 19/02/2021 at 09:35 AM.

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  16. local says:19/02/2021 12:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    Our cleanburn stoves emit a tiny fraction of the soot that the coal fires they replace did. You would be hard pressed to detect smoke from a cleanburn flue.

    Our diesel 3.5tonner is essential for moving bricks, sand, cement, flue liners, scaffolding etc, between jobs - these are heavy and bulky items. Yes, it emits a few kilos of CO2 on the way to/from each job. But those stoves once installed, help our customers avoid permanently adding many tons of CO2 to the atmosphere, during their considerable lifetime.

    Ethical trader? Our 'mission' is to reduce atmospheric CO2 pollution, by replacing gas and coal appliances with a sustainable heatsource. I suggest you price up a full stove and liner package for yourself, to realise the tight margin we operate on - profit is not the prime goal. Btw, we're so confident in our product, each installation comes with our unique 10 year no quibble guarantee on all parts and labour.

    I trust 'green' energy suppliers to live up to their promise of zero CO2. Last time I looked, there were Govt regulators and the ASA in place, to ensure that they do. Just as I trust the FSC to ensure they only add their logo, to sustainably sourced forest products.

    Btw, if you want to moan about vehicle exhausts polluting the air around here, then support the cycle-lane plans. Enabling residents to shop in the village without using their fossil-fuel burning, CO2-emitting cars. Either by switching to their bikes, or if infirm, turning out on electric 15mph buggies, to use in safety on these new cycle routes.


    Why you persist in unravelling your business on here defeats me but still if thats what you want to do I am happy to help.

    Selling something that is so demonstrably a net polluter and in the process damages the countryside and peoples health makes you an easy target.

    As to OVO energy just tell us how they get their green energy to the customer.

    Simple question.

  17. The PNP says:19/02/2021 01:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    A) Why you persist in unravelling your business on here defeats me but still if thats what you want to do I am happy to help.

    B) Selling something that is so demonstrably a net polluter and in the process damages the countryside and peoples health makes you an easy target.

    C) As to OVO energy just tell us how they get their green energy to the customer.

    Simple question.
    A) As someone who for many years, has used a bike for personal transport, I often make positive comments about cycle infrastructure improvements. When I do that however, a number of posters prefer to question the fuel (diesel) one of our company works vehicles runs on. I guess there is a tenuous link, in that both a bicycle and a commercial vehicle have wheels....Not everyone, it seems, draws any distinction between mode of transport used for industrial purposes, in our case for installing stoves etc, and personal transport e.g. bikes.

    B) Any mention of stoves, and the conversation jumps to the relative merits of sustainable heating versus fossil fuelled heating. It's a familiar pattern to eco-threads on this site: 'bikes' to 'commercials' to 'stoves' to 'renewables', in that order.... Oddly enough, there are those who say fossil fuels e.g. gas and coal, are better for the planet than renewables.

    C) I've no idea where OVO have their 'green' installations, but would presume they manage solar arrays and windfarms, etc.
    Last edited by The PNP; 19/02/2021 at 08:35 PM.

  18. local says:20/02/2021 11:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The PNP View Post
    A) As someone who for many years, has used a bike for personal transport, I often make positive comments about cycle infrastructure improvements. When I do that however, a number of posters prefer to question the fuel (diesel) one of our company works vehicles runs on. I guess there is a tenuous link, in that both a bicycle and a commercial vehicle have wheels....Not everyone, it seems, draws any distinction between mode of transport used for industrial purposes, in our case for installing stoves etc, and personal transport e.g. bikes.

    B) Any mention of stoves, and the conversation jumps to the relative merits of sustainable heating versus fossil fuelled heating. It's a familiar pattern to eco-threads on this site: 'bikes' to 'commercials' to 'stoves' to 'renewables', in that order.... Oddly enough, there are those who say fossil fuels e.g. gas and coal, are better for the planet than renewables.

    C) I've no idea where OVO have their 'green' installations, but would presume they manage solar arrays and windfarms, etc.

    If you didn't keep trying to mislead people with your sham eco-babble about the polluting stoves you sell.
    Or keep spouting your hypocritical anti-car and diesel mantra when you don't even operate a much cleaner one yourself you might not attract so much vitriol.

    But I have no doubt you will and in the process build up anti- cycling feelings and damage your business.

    I certainly don't mind you damaging such a destructive business but as a cyclist wish you would find something else to harm.

  19. The PNP says:20/02/2021 11:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    If you didn't keep trying to mislead people with your sham eco-babble about the polluting stoves you sell.
    Or keep spouting your hypocritical anti-car and diesel mantra when you don't even operate a much cleaner one yourself you might not attract so much vitriol.

    But I have no doubt you will and in the process build up anti- cycling feelings and damage your business.

    I certainly don't mind you damaging such a destructive business but as a cyclist wish you would find something else to harm.
    There's a lot of very cosy and warm people out there who might disagree with you. Who have not only significantly reduced their greenhouse emissions, with the purchase of a quality woodstove from us, but added real value and desirability to their properties! :-o

    Btw, I thought you were the 'anti-cyclist' around here, by opposing every single Govt and Council initiative, to create safe routes for bikes. Me, I'll be racking up the miles in the saddle again tomorrow. ;-)

  20. sandGroundZero says:13/03/2021 01:00 PM

    Graeme Paton, Transport Correspondent Saturday March 13 2021, 12.01am, The Times


    The long-awaited plan, commissioned by the prime minister, will require councils to put the lanes on any congested road with a frequent bus service
    ANDY RAIN/EPA

    Hundreds of new bus lanes will be created in towns and cities across England under government plans to promote public transport as an alternative to the car. | A strategy being published next week will provide cash incentives for local authorities to develop bus priority routes, allowing services to beat congestion and speed up journey times. | The long-awaited plan, commissioned by Boris Johnson, will require councils to put the lanes on any congested road with a frequent bus service, if there is sufficient space. Buses will also have priority at traffic lights. Councils will be expected to sign up to the measures in partnership with bus operators in return for a share of a new £3 billion central government bus fund.


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