Roadmap out of lockdown

[Alikado]

Prof you keep dropping some illogical clangers are you alright ?

Never has been, probably getting the meds mixed up.

[Albion102]

As others have said, vaccine passports are not new, they already exist for Yellow Fever and I can remember when you needed them for Smallpox.

Whilst I am against compulsory vaccination in principle, in practice it starts to become inevitable for most people.

If you are in work, won't employers want staff to be vaccinated in the same way that they expect employees to wear hard hats or other PPE ? If, as we expect, vaccination significantly reduces the risk of infecting others, do they not have a responsiblity to other employees and their customers ? At best, we might choose as employers to deny company sick schemes and death in service insurance to people who refuse to be vaccinated.

[local]

As others have said, vaccine passports are not new, they already exist for Yellow Fever and I can remember when you needed them for Smallpox.

Whilst I am against compulsory vaccination in principle, in practice it starts to become inevitable for most people.

If you are in work, won't employers want staff to be vaccinated in the same way that they expect employees to wear hard hats or other PPE ? If, as we expect, vaccination significantly reduces the risk of infecting others, do they not have a responsiblity to other employees and their customers ? At best, we might choose as employers to deny company sick schemes and death in service insurance to people who refuse to be vaccinated.

Interesting point raised here, how would you get life cover if you tried to exclude covid the Insurer would reasonably think you were reckless with other things.

Travel Insurance,health cover etc.

[silver fox]

I'm quite happy with my Bill Gates chip in my arm. I can pick up 5G much better now. And I can now see all the secret messages my British Gas
smart meter sends.

Did you not get the automatic weather reports and built in compass?

Must be part of the de luxe package

[Toodles McGinty]

Did you not get the automatic weather reports and built in compass?

Must be part of the de luxe package

I didn't. But on the positive side, I can track my orders on 'Deliveroo' by the power of thought.

Handy.

[Alikado]

As others have said, vaccine passports are not new, they already exist for Yellow Fever and I can remember when you needed them for Smallpox.

Whilst I am against compulsory vaccination in principle, in practice it starts to become inevitable for most people.

If you are in work, won't employers want staff to be vaccinated in the same way that they expect employees to wear hard hats or other PPE ? If, as we expect, vaccination significantly reduces the risk of infecting others, do they not have a responsiblity to other employees and their customers ? At best, we might choose as employers to deny company sick schemes and death in service insurance to people who refuse to be vaccinated.

Would that not be discrimination, people cannot be forced into medical treatment?

[local]

Would that not be discrimination, people cannot be forced into medical treatment?

Nope you would be perfectly entitled to go without and just not get or have access to the things covered by it.

As with the so called holidays jabs we currently have you don't want them you don't go.

The new growth industry will be people feigning anything that gets them off it

Or just straightforward faked certificates
.Which are probably available on the internet .

[silver fox]

Would that not be discrimination, people cannot be forced into medical treatment?

No-one is being forced, if no injection means some doors are closed, so be it, after all it is a requirement to have driving licence in order to drive on UK roads, is that discrimination?

[Alikado]

No-one is being forced, if no injection means some doors are closed, so be it, after all it is a requirement to have driving licence in order to drive on UK roads, is that discrimination?

No that is a qualification, requiring a vaccine jab is a health and disability discrimination and would land the employer in court. Certain jabs are routinely offered to hospital staff but there is no compulsion to have them.

[Toodles McGinty]

Regarding vaccine passports, there is growing evidence that the vaccines cut down on transmission of the virus.

It was generally thought that if you had the vaccine, you would be reasonably safe from the virus, but you could still pass it on to others. Now they've raised the possibility that the vaccine stops or at least cuts down transmission.

Here, here and here are a few articles.

If it does indeed prevent or reduce transmission, is it then more vital that everyone (where possible) is vaccinated and therefore should be able to prove it? To future employers, to enter public buildings, travel, or even go in a pub?

[silver fox]

No that is a qualification, requiring a vaccine jab is a health and disability discrimination and would land the employer in court. Certain jabs are routinely offered to hospital staff but there is no compulsion to have them.

There are already some employers who are stating clearly that they will not offer employment to anyone who has not had or refuses the injection, mainly care homes at the moment, but also Pimlico Plumbers, who reason that as their employees are going into customers homes, then for their safety and customers safety, it will be a requirement that they have the vaccine injection.

Many travel companies are also putting this requirement in place, particularly cruise lines, call it discrimination if you will, but this is looking more and more likely to become normal. in all cases protection from the virus is the driving force.

[Alikado]

There are already some employers who are stating clearly that they will not offer employment to anyone who has not had or refuses the injection, mainly care homes at the moment, but also Pimlico Plumbers, who reason that as their employees are going into customers homes, then for their safety and customers safety, it will be a requirement that they have the vaccine injection.

Many travel companies are also putting this requirement in place, particularly cruise lines, call it discrimination if you will, but this is looking more and more likely to become normal. in all cases protection from the virus is the driving force.

It's not gone to court yet, time will tell.
Certificates are not required for any other viruses / diseases in this country some are as deadly as covid, I can't see any system working, with modern tech people will find ways to obtain one illicitly there's ways around everything.

[gazaprop]

Plenty of people have Hepatitis, many thousands in this country alone but they don't have restrictions on their lives other than what is caused by the virus it's self.
Covid unlike Hepatitis is something you normally a short term illness you recover from surely anybody worried about catching it should get immunised not calling for everybody else to have a jab, if you are protected yourself what is there to worry about nobody is concerned that probably half the population haven't been immunised for measles etc.

The first part of your response is at best contradictory and in reality a bit silly and pedantic.
As for the second part, I'm at a loss to see what your point is. The best medical opinion points to vaccination being the way forward. What is your argument against this - is it the individual's right to refuse? I refer you to my earlier point about 'human obligation' usurping 'human rights '.
I have very little time for, indeed I hold in contempt, the 'refusniks'.

[silver fox]

Plenty of people have Hepatitis, many thousands in this country alone but they don't have restrictions on their lives other than what is caused by the virus it's self.
Covid unlike Hepatitis is something you normally a short term illness you recover from surely anybody worried about catching it should get immunised not calling for everybody else to have a jab, if you are protected yourself what is there to worry about nobody is concerned that probably half the population haven't been immunised for measles etc.

You picked a rather poor example there, it isn't likely to catch hepatitis from just chatting to someone in the pub.

Your comment regarding measles, this is causing considerable concern, a disease which was virtually eliminated has shown plenty of signs of making a comeback, thanks mainly to brain dead anti vaxxers.

Remember measles is and has been in the past a killer, it isn't some innocuous childhood disease.

[said]

Must have been your alter ego on the needle phobia thread who "never felt a thing"

Ha!Ha!
Now we get to the root of why you cannot understand things! I never said that I had the injection - I merely said that I never felt a thing. I wouldn't have done - I did not have the damned injection! You need to scrutinise the written word.