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    They certainly don't like the BLM movement.





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    The UK overestimates Covid deaths by cautious accounting of positive tests.

    If a patient has had a positive test within a month of dying from any cause it is counted as a Covid death.

    Whether infection came from family contact(usually more frequent if a person is unwell)home assistance or medical staff contact before and after admission to hospital.

    It is better to overestimate as it gives a good guideline on the effect of a positive test on people ill from other causes to medical staff one day it may
    help science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    The UK overestimates Covid deaths by cautious accounting of positive tests.

    If a patient has had a positive test within a month of dying from any cause it is counted as a Covid death.

    Whether infection came from family contact(usually more frequent if a person is unwell)home assistance or medical staff contact before and after admission to hospital.

    It is better to overestimate as it gives a good guideline on the effect of a positive test on people ill from other causes to medical staff one day it may
    help science.


    So many have hung their hat on the death rate as a measure of government efficacy, explaining the methodology of the figure is not what they want to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seivad View Post
    Economic and scientific illiteracy. There are a lot of factors that influence markets, economic activity is one of them. During a lockdown economic activity decreases, markets drop. When restrictions are eased or lifted, economic activity increases and markets start to recover.

    In your scenario, you state that if the market drops, another lockdown will take place. Great way to sustain/increase market losses.

    Same goes for austerity during a period of recession. You need fiscal stimulus, not austerity. I believe that the UK government's Covid relief schemes accomplished that, along with other fiscal and monetary policy. When the cause of the recession is over, austerity measures are often introduced. Whether or not austerity works is questionable. Do you believe that the UK's decade of austerity after the financial crisis worked?

    Of course lockdowns work. Every time cases surge and lockdowns are introduced, Covid cases decrease. As for the efficacy of masks and social distancing, there's scientific consensus that these measures do reduce transmission. Judging from the crowds I've just seen in footage of UK pubs and people queuing up outside stores, you might find real world confirmation of their efficacy pretty soon.

    How many times do you have to be told that the virus has been isolated. It was first isolated here in March 2020, and has been isolated countless times by scientists in every country.

    Google an answer, that's ripe from someone whose posts are usually poorly knit together C&Ps from multiple sites, along with the original font!

    You would have to be living under a rock to be unaware of the crisis in Brazil and India. The footage I've seen from Brazil is harrowing.

    Again, influenza is not a coronavirus. The incubation period is the only difference, really? Nothing about the difference in transmission rates? Link to the BMJ and Lancet articles which state that is the only difference?

    I know your knowledge on the subject is superior to mine, so you may find my response rather impertinent - but the virus has NOT been isolated! There is no instrument on this planet which is capable of visually identifying a virus nor by any chemical analysis.

    Can you prove that it has been isolated? By what method? How? To my pathetic knowledge, Dr. Robert Koch postulated that such a parasite existed in the 19th century,but even with all the modern technology of today this has never been tested.

    During the first lockdown - you can check the figures for yourself - you will see an enormous spike in the claimed figures - long after an incubation period.

    Brazil and India suffering badly?? When 99.6% of the population is immune to it - I.e Almost all the population are immune to it. It is only those who have had a low immunity response who have sadly passed away, i.e. those who reached the end of their natural life span.

    Spending cuts will tend to lead to lower inflation. A fall in demand leads to lower inflationary pressures in the economy. A limit on public sector wages, place a negative pressure on wages, low wage growth leads to reducing underlying inflationary pressure, but I am just guessing here - no doubt you will be able to correct me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said
    I know your knowledge on the subject is superior to mine, so you may find my response rather impertinent - but the virus has NOT been isolated! There is no instrument on this planet which is capable of visually identifying a virus nor by any chemical analysis.

    Can you prove that it has been isolated? By what method? How? To my pathetic knowledge, Dr. Robert Koch postulated that such a parasite existed in the 19th century,but even with all the modern technology of today this has never been tested.
    Despite my limited knowledge of this subject, it would appear that what little knowledge I do have, is indeed superior to yours!

    Before providing irrefutable proof that the virus has been isolated, let me address that old chestnut Dr. Robert Koch....the Covid denier's Messiah. While I don't dispute that his work was invaluable, his postulates are criteria that must be met to verify that bacteria is the cause of a disease. Not only did Koch come to realize that his first postulate was wrong, Covid is a virus, and over 130 years ago nobody knew that viruses existed.

    We're in the 21st century. Advances in this field are mind blowing. Koch's postulates are now obsolete for bacterial infections, and, even back in Koch's day they could never have been applied as a criteria for confirming viral infections.

    You are so wrong about isolating the virus. It's been isolated countless times. I distinctly remembered the joy from a Canadian team when they isolated it in March 2020, but it had already been isolated in countries where Covid outbreaks had occurred earlier in the year.

    I could no more describe how a virus is isolated, than I could drive a car blindfold. Below is a description from the Canadian research team who worked out of McMaster University. McMaster has an Infectious Disease Research Institute, Immunology Research Centre and... wait for it... a research colony of bats. One of the researchers had previously worked on isolating the MERS-CoV virus. His experience was invaluable when isolating SARS-CoV-2

    Apologies for the length of the C&P, but you asked for a description!

    Source: https://brighterworld.mcmaster.ca/ar...obal-pandemic/

    'Isolating a virus requires collecting specimens from patients and culturing, or growing, any viruses that occur in the samples. These viruses are obligate intracellular parasites, which means that they can only replicate and multiply in cells. To isolate a particular virus, researchers need to provide it with an opportunity to infect live mammalian cells, in tiny flasks or on tissue culture plates.

    Viruses adapt to their hosts and evolve to survive and replicate efficiently within their particular environment. When a new virus such as SARS-CoV-2 emerges, it isn’t obvious what particular environment that virus has adapted to, so it can be hard to grow it successfully in the lab.

    We can use tricks to draw out a virus. Sometimes the tricks work and sometimes they don’t. In this case, the researchers tried a method Banerjee and the team had previously used while working on the coronavirus that causes Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome: culturing the virus on immunodeficient cells that would allow the virus to multiply unchecked. It worked.

    Since specimens from patients are also likely to contain other viruses, it is critical to determine if a virus growing in the culture is really the target coronavirus. Researchers confirm the source of infection by extracting genetic material from the virus in culture and sequencing its genome.
    They compare the sequence to known coronavirus sequences to identify it precisely. Once a culture is confirmed, researchers can make copies to share with colleagues.

    All this work must be done in secure, high-containment laboratories that mitigate the risk of accidental virus release into the environment and also protect scientists from accidental exposure. The more versions of a virus that can be isolated, the better. Having multiple virus isolates allows us to monitor how the virus is evolving in humans as the pandemic progresses. It also allows researchers to test the efficacy of vaccines and drugs against multiple mutations of the virus.'


    Things to do. My responses to the rest of your comment will have to wait.

    Here's a pretty picture for you.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post

    Brazil and India suffering badly?? When 99.6% of the population is immune to it - I.e Almost all the population are immune to it. It is only those who have had a low immunity response who have sadly passed away, i.e. those who reached the end of their natural life span.

    Spending cuts will tend to lead to lower inflation. A fall in demand leads to lower inflationary pressures in the economy. A limit on public sector wages, place a negative pressure on wages, low wage growth leads to reducing underlying inflationary pressure, but I am just guessing here - no doubt you will be able to correct me.
    India have topped 200,000 new cases per day, Brazil currently averaging 70,000 new cases daily, if that's your idea of immunity hate to think what you believe to be an epidemic.

    The old, out dated, failed many times, way of dealing with inflation, cut wages, cut public spending, generate low wages, unemployment and a bit of recession, stop spending by virtue of introducing poverty, then it takes even longer to recover from recession, we have all seen Osborne economics at work, created more problems than it solved, you must have an incredibly short memory, or of course imbued with Tory style dogma

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    Sweet,

    the sidestep into conspiracy economics, were just missing some disaster capitalist rantings to climb the drivelometer into the red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    Sweet,

    the sidestep into conspiracy economics, were just missing some disaster capitalist rantings to climb the drivelometer into the red.

    He who laughs last, laughs longest! The next chapter will be 'The Covid virus has almost cleared now, which proves the vaccinations have been a complete success' and 'Booster supplies are now on their way' What is the betting? Follow the money!

    After which there will be a claim that the economy is on its way to recovery, following a good start to the second quarter of the year. This will be followed by a downturn for the fourth quarter of the year to begin picking up again in 2022. Just watch.

    According to Wikipedia, last recorded figures 14 hours ago are:
    138 Million cases Workdwide, 78.8 Million people recovered, 2.97 deaths OK? What happened to the remaining 56.23 Million cases? They just disappear? Or is this just another fudge on the figures?
    Last edited by said; 16/04/2021 at 12:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by said View Post
    He who laughs last, laughs longest! The next chapter will be 'The Covid virus has almost cleared now, which proves the vaccinations have been a complete success' and 'Booster supplies are now on their way' What is the betting? Follow the money!

    After which there will be a claim that the economy is on its way to recovery, following a good start to the second quarter of the year. This will be followed by a downturn for the fourth quarter of the year to begin picking up again in 2022. Just watch.

    According to Wikipedia, last recorded figures 14 hours ago are:
    138 Million cases Workdwide, 78.8 Million people recovered, 2.97 deaths OK? What happened to the remaining 56.23 Million cases? They just disappear? Or is this just another fudge on the figures?
    Wikipedia that bastion of truth and fact! a more reliable source.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Total cases 139,723,124

    Recovered 118,811,447
    Deaths 3,000,373
    Active 17,911,304

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    Quote Originally Posted by local View Post
    So many have hung their hat on the death rate as a measure of government efficacy, explaining the methodology of the figure is not what they want to hear.
    Brazil is recording a lot of infant Covid related deaths.

    I am really worried the threat to life is going to target younger people in the UK as older people are protected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsgsgs View Post
    Wikipedia that bastion of truth and fact! a more reliable source.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Total cases 139,723,124

    Recovered 118,811,447
    Deaths 3,000,373
    Active 17,911,304
    To get a more accurate view per country click on 'deaths per million population' along the top bar of the graph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamble View Post
    Brazil is recording a lot of infant Covid related deaths.

    I am really worried the threat to life is going to target younger people in the UK as older people are protected.
    This is definitely a worry.

    I'm reading that in France and all over the US, Covid is hitting young people much harder than it did. From CNN.

    As you say, H, if the oldies are immune, it will target the young and mutate into a variation to hit them harder. It exists to reproduce and infect. I believe that in the 1918 pandemic, the virus mutated to do just that. The JCVI scientists are talking openly about "young people will die" from the South African variant.

    This isn't over by a long way. Personally I'm going to continue to take every precaution for the foreseeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles McGinty View Post
    This is definitely a worry.

    I'm reading that in France and all over the US, Covid is hitting young people much harder than it did. From CNN.

    As you say, H, if the oldies are immune, it will target the young and mutate into a variation to hit them harder. It exists to reproduce and infect. I believe that in the 1918 pandemic, the virus mutated to do just that. The JCVI scientists are talking openly about "young people will die" from the South African variant.

    This isn't over by a long way. Personally I'm going to continue to take every precaution for the foreseeable.
    It is a depressing thought.

    There are new thoughts on children and the spread of Covid which is interesting.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n628/rr

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    I see there are now cases of the Indian variant in London, this variant has apparently two mutations and is thought to be the cause of the rapidly rising cases in India.

    Wonder how that variant arrived in this country? wouldn’t be the continued influx of travellers from just about everywhere, India wasn’t even on the red list requiring quarantine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver fox View Post
    I see there are now cases of the Indian variant in London, this variant has apparently two mutations and is thought to be the cause of the rapidly rising cases in India.

    Wonder how that variant arrived in this country? wouldn’t be the continued influx of travellers from just about everywhere, India wasn’t even on the red list requiring quarantine.
    Boris Johnson's trip to India will still go ahead later this month, Downing Street says, despite concerns about soaring cases and the newly identified variant.

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